Good and Bad

[Hannathy]

Nope, that doesn't sound silly at all. At a restaurant, I would expect a child to refrain from crying, yelling, whining or screaming or to be correct the first time it happened.

exactly or to be taken out if they can't behave.

 

[WillAustin]

Keep YOUR child from crying, yelling, whining, screaming, etc during my peaceful dinner. Once, twice OK. yada yada yada. See how silly it sounds?

Nothing about that sounds silly to me. I've left in the middle of meals with my kids when they were misbehaving. It only took a couple of times for them to realize this would happen if they caused a problem. We have almost no problems with that anymore.

There is definitely a point where expecting those around you to tolerate your kids becomes unreasonable. Nobody expects kids to be perfect, but if they are going to repeatedly affect those around them in a negative way, the most considerate thing to do is get your kids out of there rather than expecting everyone to tolerate anything they do because they are kids.

 

[homeschoolmomof4]

That comes across as entitled/victim mentality. Your child is not allowed to bump into anyone for 45 minutes, just because life is a challenge. I would expect you to make a different decision than go through a 90 min wait knowing it was too much for your son. So that guy had every right to say something. I have 1 hand and my mom didn't go to the baby store and ask for that either. She got a baby girl missing a hand. Instead of going to France, you went to the Netherlands, and its a different journey for most others. And thats its own blessing and burden. But you don't get to make that anyone else's problem. Your special needs child doesn't get to touch others for 45 min in line anywhere and certainly not in the close confines of a WDW queue.

I don't know how many times or how many ways this can be said...Kaewin's son was NOT TOUCHING THIS GENTLEMAN FOR THE FULL 45 MINUTES. It happened a couple of times. Kaewin attempted to contain his son by establishing a perimeter and apologized when his son bumped into the gentleman.

Good heavens people! I can't tell you how many times a "normal" child has bumped into me repeatedly in line by accident in a crowded line. It's an ACCIDENT for crying out loud. These are small kids in crowded lines in which the CM's are telling everyone to fill in the empty spaces. The lack of compassion in this thread literally makes me sick to my stomach. The willingness of everyone to pass judgement on someone that you don't know and will probably never even meet is sickening.

Kaewin posted on here to help defend some other hapless soul who wandered onto this thread, and instead became the target of the bashing himself. If you met Kaewin and his son in person would you all be behaving the way you are now? Would you be so willing to judge a perfect stranger and say the words you are saying now? OR would you show some compassion? I'd like to think that most of us would be compassionate. Even if you are thinking something negative, I'm betting you would use a filter IRL. I truly hope that this mob mentality of bashing in anonymity is an anomaly and not really representative of who we all are when we are out in the world.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I'm constantly amazed at how inconsiderate people can be to those around them.

1. Yesterday I was at MK rope drop with two of my kids. We were near the front at the opening show, then headed to the second rope near Fantasyland on our way to meet Merida. There were several families waiting at the rope so we waited behind them. As we waited a woman dragging her daughter behind her snaked her way through everyone and parked herself at the rope in front of everyone else. A lot of people looked around and commented in disbelief. When they dropped that rope, the woman went straight to the Merida greet rope. When the family she pushed in front of went and stood ahead of her, she said "the line starts back here!". Luckily, they didn't move, and the CMs asked everyone to move back so the family could stay at the front. I took some small comfort in the fact the woman didn't get to be first in line for Merida.

2. Today at Pizzafari in AK there was a dad who yelled repeatedly at his kids several times so loudly that it scared my kids.

We did encounter mostly nice people though and I really thanked the woman who let my exhausted kids sit down on a full bus back to the resort from AK. I didn't mind standing myself, but the kids were on the verge of a heat meltdown when we got on the bus.

Comment on #1. We've done that. Someone barged their way to the front of us at rope drop. So we barged back in front of them at the very last minute before the queue started at Dumbo. When they complained, my response was, well you didn't seem to think we minded in the least when you shoved us aside at rope drop, so we therefore assumed you wouldn't mind in the least that we ran ahead of you at the last minute here. And we didn't even have to shove to get ahead of you. And the beautiful thing was, we were last in the first group and they had to wait an extra group.

 

[beachmom14]

Not really...this started with someone complaining about kids on rails (pet peeve). I responded that I felt that was harsh...bumping into you is wrong...sitting or hanging on a rail in their own space I feel is fine...
Still feel it is fine as LNG as other's space is not invaded more tha. Is reasonable given the lines.
One woman discuss her autistic child bumping into someone a few times..

Unless I have missed something I haven't seen a single example of bumped/ran/knocked into repeatedly. It's like that old fashioned telephone game...ha!

Hi, I'm the one with the "pet peeve" (How are you doing, Nice to meet you) and my post was stating how while waiting on line for TSM, which was only about a 25 min wait, this family was letting their kids (2) invade mine and my dd's personal space (and yes we were bumped into numerous times and not one world came out of either parent's mouth to correct this) during the entire time to the the point when the CM stopped the line for a minute the whole family tried to cut in front of us and another family. This family was just plain rude. Letting the your kids lean on, play with the rails is up to their parents, however when I see them swinging from the rails or when a child is sitting on top of the rails and moving with their butt across the rails to move with the line and nothing is said by their parent, just annoys me because those are type people that will definitely open their mouths and sue Disney when that child falls and hits his/her head on a bar or worse yet the concrete floor.

 

[Kaewin]

That comes across as entitled/victim mentality. Your child is not allowed to bump into anyone for 45 minutes, just because life is a challenge. I would expect you to make a different decision than go through a 90 min wait knowing it was too much for your son. So that guy had every right to say something. I have 1 hand and my mom didn't go to the baby store and ask for that either. She got a baby girl missing a hand. Instead of going to France, you went to the Netherlands, and its a different journey for most others. And thats its own blessing and burden. But you don't get to make that anyone else's problem. Your special needs child doesn't get to touch others for 45 min in line anywhere and certainly not in the close confines of a WDW queue.

I'm sorry, but I don't think that my son is entitled and I was more than willing to wait in line like everyone else. I kept a 2 1/2' to 3' gap between us so my son had room. We weren't cramped and were not pushing. He could have said anything and that is acceptable but being nasty is not or is that ok with you? I said I was sorry when it happened. When I am in line and someone bumps into I look to see who it is, natural. If it is a teenager I ask them not to nicely. If it is an adult I just say excuse me, we meet eye contact and a subtle message let's us both move a but away no problem but if I am in line and there is a person there with young children and the parent keeps trying to get them to calm down and say they are sorry I let it go. It is a bump on the back of my legs or but. That is that, if the child looks like he or she is having some kind of issue I do what most people do and pretend it isn't happening and not stare, and when my son (at that age) was agitated people knew that. It isn't about whether or not my son touched the man and bumped his son, it happened I said it over and over, but about the way he reacted. I don't care how you define entitled but it goes like this, If I turn to you get nasty at you and your child pointing and yelling you are going to react. you kid might be hot or have to pee, you child could be hungry or want to sit down. It doesn't matter what the problem is that at the point I get nasty you are getting too.

You don't know, most likely ever met me but YOU have decided I am entitled or a victim. For some reason you seem to think I "let" my son keep touching other people for either fun or profit because I know it would be hard for my son to wait. It goes like this, my son is very smart but he is mentally 6 or 7 years younger than his chronological age. he plays with kids who are in grade school while he goes to middle school. he earns his grades and he can now wait in line and ride in the car for 13 hrs to get to Disney. When he was having his problem he was 7 yrs old, his mentality was that of a 3 1/2 to 4 yr old child. He went to school, for years because he was getting special education, and could wait in line, eat his lunch and interact with others. But a child in that state waiting to see Winnie the Pooh was excited, hot and bored. You show me the 4 yr old who doesn't fidget. i have been to the parks many times and I know kids get board. If I was upset every time someone did something that I didn't like I would not go. No Kevin should not have bumped into the man like he did, maybe I should have put a leash on it but the issue is not my son but the man who reacted in a rotten manner. I have seen people get into fights over that in the parks. I explain, in a slightly nasty tone about my son and like all people who sit outside the bubble understood. People like to judge and they do it quickly. Now I am sure you read all the posts and read everything I have said so where did I say my son was a victim or was owed anything. He did and still does deserve to go to the parks like anyone else does. I pay my money, I stay in the hotels and I drive from Va. My money is as good as anyone else. But I will not tolerate anyone getting nasty and rude over any of my children for any reason. I will defend them as needed and do what I can to make sure they have a good time but I will not have a good time at someone else's expense. I am niot going to get nasty at someone about their children or who they are with and if you want to say entitlement then this is. Because I go, because I pay, because I do no harm I am ENTITLED to go and have a good time. And if someone is having less than a magical time then I go around, ignore or walk away from them. It is their life. But if someone decides they are going to have a good time at my expense then I will be aggressive back.

But you don't seem to get this, look back over what I said, I did not say he bumped into this man for 45 minutes, or kick, hit or whatever was brought up, but once and a while bump into him. Also like I said it seemed more as if the other things my son was doing upset him and his son more. And that is the facts.

 

[Blackbeltdisneygirl]

sitting or hanging on a rail in their own space

I just wanted to point out that if someone is sitting on the rail, not all of their body is in their own space. Their space does not extend into the line next to the rail. That is someone else's space.Their posterior region should be on their side of the rail no matter if it is a tiny kid bum or a wide adult one. That's the main issue I have with lines. If I get bumped occasionally, fine, i expect that at Disney, but please keep your bum to yourself. Well, not u specifically. That was for all the rail sitters. The one other thing I was against in line was when a woman lifted her daughter up over the wall in the Thunder Mountain line so she could puke over the edge, then made the poor kid get back in line for a 40 minute wait. Take your kid back to her bed please!!!

 

[ton80]

WOW.. reading some of these posts on here beats Jerry Springer hands down.


POR/AKV Kidani 6/24-6/30/12

 

[HWY20RIDE4MYSON]

WOW.. reading some of these posts on here beats Jerry Springer hands down.


POR/AKV Kidani 6/24-6/30/12

Yes I have to agree!!! This Thread was Named GOOD & BAD!! After reading the post, here was very little good posted..What it boils down to is there are alot of cry babies on here.... So if your that uptight about stuff you know is going to happen in lines, crowds, heat, maybe pick another place for your vacation!!

 

[2girlsmom]

I think most parents do the best they can for their family, and I certainly don't get all worked up about being bumped occasionally in a line, nor would self talking child phase me. I DO correct my own kids not to hang on/climb on the rails, as it isn't particularly safe, something that my 12 year old found out at the monorail station just last month when she decided to sit on the railing (something she absolutely KNOWS she is not allowed to do) and fell, twisting her legs between the rails and landing face first in my knees. But I would NEVER be so rude as to feel the need to say such a thing to another parent. IF I see a child swinging in such a way that he might hurt himself or someone else, I may gently mention to his parents that he might need to be careful, looks risky, but that's as far as it goes. We didn't know about GAC passes until after we had been twice or 3 times either, so I don't blame anyone for not being aware, and I think we can all be thankful for the interactive ride q's to keep the kids somewhat entertained.

 

[Sparkly]

I remember on our Feb 2011 trip there was a dance party thing at the stage in Tomorrowland and there were a few kids dancing with Chip and Dale. Not for long. One group of cheerleaders arrived, then another and soon they had taken over :/ I thought that was a bit much.

 

[EmpressBubbles]

I can't believe this thread is still open.

 

[g3pak]

The one other thing I was against in line was when a woman lifted her daughter up over the wall in the Thunder Mountain line so she could puke over the edge, then made the poor kid get back in line for a 40 minute wait. Take your kid back to her bed please!!!

Oops...that was my DW and DD.

Not really! I can't believe a mom would do that. Our last trip our younger DD got sick right before lunch. We think it was a combination of the heat and lack of sleep because right after she got sick she fell asleep in her stroller. (FYI my wife is an RN at a Children's hospital) My wife immediately took her back to the room but a few hours later she was fine and they rejoined us at the park.

Fortunately we were not in line for a ride but rather on our way to a QS place. Now if we had been in line for BTMRR......

 

[ScarletFire]

My kids are scared to touch the rails for fear of getting ill. Don't touch the rails, they're covered with germs! Seriously, no getting sick on vacation!!

 

[goofyernmost]

My kids are scared to touch the rails for fear of getting ill. Don't touch the rails, they're covered with germs! Seriously, no getting sick on vacation!!

Your business, of course, but the thought of combining the words Vacation and Fear just won't fit in my vocabulary.

I prefer to just be cautious and let my immune system do what it gets paid to do. Wash hand often and don't rub your eyes or put your fingers in your mouth. End of it for me. Besides there isn't a surface on this planet that isn't "covered with germs". I guess it would be helpful to learn to levitate.

 

[GAN]

Yes. Remember, germs make us stronger.

 

[Diznygrl]

Do they not put the Timon and Pumbaa's "Wild About Safety" illustrations on the back of park maps or above bag check stations anymore?

Hanging/playing on chains/bars is not appropriate, no matter who you are.

 

[Stitch76]

Do they not put the Timon and Pumbaa's "Wild About Safety" illustrations on the back of park maps or above bag check stations anymore?

Hanging/playing on chains/bars is not appropriate, no matter who you are.

LOL!
I just shared these with my DD's. They know better, but just had to let them see these, so when we are down there next week, and one of them forgets and tries to sit their hiney on a bar, I can remind them of Timon and Pumba. Too Cute!

 

[ttintagel]

I've got a "good" one! One visit, when I was alone in the MK on crutches, the people next to me in line helped me into ride boats every time, and helped get my crutches in.

 

[erincon23]

I was at WDW with a friend two weeks ago. We only had one incident that either of us remembered of rude or pushy people -- in the line for Soarin, a family kept inching their way past people. WE could see them moving up, so we stood slightly behind and on either side of a family of three who were standing shoulder to shoulder in front of us, and started chatting about how nice it was that nobody was trying to push forward in line. The family in front of us got into it too, and the pushy people could tell we were talking about them, and stopped behind us (dirty looks and all).

For the most part, we saw lots of well-behaved people, enjoying their trips. We both have kids (ours are all older now), so we gave sympathetic looks to young parents with whiny/overtired/unhappy children and tried to give them a "you're doing great" smile. We understood that kids don't have the patience adults (well, most adults) do, and it didn't bother us when kids bumped into us. (The only time it ever has bothered me was when a kid in line for the Jungle Cruise kept slapping me! I finally turned to the parents, who knew darn well what she was doing, and asked them to tell the child to cut it out. They didn't appreciate that too much, but at the point, I didn't care.)

In "real life," I'm not quick to get annoyed, especially by kids and the parents who are trying to manage them, and I wasn't going to be MORE annoyed by kids and parents at Disney World, where it's harder to behave when you're hot, tired, overstimulated, oversugared, alternately overthrilled and overbored. Yes, you see kids who behave badly, but you don't see them the other 15 times they've stood in line for 30 minutes or more and behaved perfectly well. Lighten up. Don't give other people that much power over your happiness.