"Godless Heathens" Support thread - no bashing please :)

I've never had a problem with the Lutheran religion. I kind of think of it as a place where the outcasts are welcome. LOL. For example, a few years ago, my mom's Catholic friend and neighbor was getting remarried. Her first marriage had never been annulled, so she couldn't get married in her church. She was welcomed with open arms in our Lutheran church and was married there. She went right back to her church after the wedding. I never did get that. :confused3 ELCA Lutherans also welcome anyone to take communion.
 
I'm curious about your blue tag ~ who where the germ freaks and why were they stealing stuff??
 
mtblujeans said:
I'm curious about your blue tag ~ who where the germ freaks and why were they stealing stuff??

At my previous job, people would steal food from the fridge that didn't belong to them. Especially things like the international flavored creamers. So we would lick the bottles because a lot of suspected culprits were germ freaks and it grossed them out and prevented them from stealing the creamers.
 
"Godless Heathens" Support thread.


Woah you mean there are people out there like me? :rolleyes1

Not according to some of my family. :rolleyes:

One thing that is nice I meet and married someone with the same thinking on religion. :goodvibes
 

Crankyshank said:
At my previous job, people would steal food from the fridge that didn't belong to them. Especially things like the international flavored creamers. So we would lick the bottles because a lot of suspected culprits were germ freaks and it grossed them out and prevented them from stealing the creamers.
EEEEEXXXCELLENT! :teeth:
 
Another Heathen checking in. My father thinks that I should take my kids to Sunday school. He feels that they should have the same chance to reject it as he did. Once he told me this I finally knew why he used to always make me go to church whenever anyone would invite me. :rotfl:

My MIL is a devote Catholic. DH did 12 years of Catholic school. She doesn't comment about it to us, but my kids did get the prayer bear one year for Christmas.

My grandfather has become "born again". It is getting so bad that I am limiting my kids time with him. One of my rules for parenting is, you don't get to tell my boys that their going to he!!.
 
Marseeya said:
My MIL lives far away and is in some kind of fantasyland thinking we do go to church.
:rotfl: My MIL is also in a fantasyland. She somehow "believes" that my DH was planning on becoming a minister. DH has no idea where she ever got that idea. It's a good thing for us too that she lives 4 hours away. Not far enough, but it works.

My own mom gave me a lot of flack after I had my first son and didn't have him baptized. She finally stopped after about a year and never brought it up with my younger son. She's dealing with it now since I allow her to take my older son to Sunday School with her.
 
My MIL thinks that her precious angel son was a paragon of virtue and grace and respectable Republicaness until he met me :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

Has anyone else seen "Saved" ? That was how DH grew up and the life the in-laws still live in. It was so true to RL that it makes DH kind of uncomfortable and yet amused to watch the movie.
 
Barb--my mom's church is *sort* of like that..if you can survive the baptism by fire the 'old fogies' (i.e. longtime members) of the church. The current music director is a very nice, wonderfully flamboyant gay man. There was at one point a lovely bi-racial couple,too. If they hadn't moved out of the area, I'm sure they would've stayed there. :)

But, I suppose my problem with Lutheranism (and heck, Christianity in general I suppose) is this: IF God gave us free will, then WHY does he insist on everyone being faithful to him? I mean..doesn't free will mean you get to choose who you worship? It says in the bible (somewhere..I'd have to go look it up)that IF you don't follow God, you're basically screwed and will suffer eternal damnation, firey pits of hell and all that. That doesn't sit well with me. I mean..what kind of a loving deity would do that to a people they supposedly created? :confused3 It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

TOV
 
Checking in! Not a God-less Heathen but definately not Born-again! I was brought up Catholic but rarely attend church. I find it easier to pray in my own bedroom and any time during the day that I might need it. I've never read the bible from cover to cover.

Religion to me is something personal, which is why I'm not a big fan of church. I prefer to pray my own prayers to the Lord so that he knows exactly what I am saying. I hate the idea of middle men. ;)

I have not seen "Saved" yet - I think I'll rent it for our next movie night with friends. Has anyone seen "Dogma" I love that movie! Kevin Smith (writer and director) has a lot of the same ideas that I have. No one religion has gotten it right but we all praise the same God just in different forms.

~Amanda
 
Hello!

Good thread!

I am a proud godless heathen! I have always been an atheist, and will always be. I went to church when I was little, mostly because my friends were going. I guess it never made good sense to me. I wish all parents were like mine in that I was free to make my own choice in regards to religion.

The recent attention given to Scientology really proves that anyone can come up with a 'religion' as long as they have followers. The religion doesn't have to have any factual basis whatsoever, or make any sense.
 
TheOtherVillainess said:
But, I suppose my problem with Lutheranism (and heck, Christianity in general I suppose) is this: IF God gave us free will, then WHY does he insist on everyone being faithful to him? I mean..doesn't free will mean you get to choose who you worship? It says in the bible (somewhere..I'd have to go look it up)that IF you don't follow God, you're basically screwed and will suffer eternal damnation, firey pits of hell and all that. That doesn't sit well with me. I mean..what kind of a loving deity would do that to a people they supposedly created? :confused3 It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

TOV
Judaism doesn't believe in Hell.. I would not want to worship a G-d that tortures people for eternity because they believe differently.. I can't understand why someone would want to worship a god that.
For the most part Judaism teaches that ANYONE who is righteous,anyone who does their best to be a good human being has a place in the world to come.
 
Bichon Barb said:
I don't believe any one religion is the correct religion. As long as you live your life with love and kindness, you're doing okay in my book. :)

I agree with this also. And, I also think organized religion has done so much damage in this world.

My mother thinks I'm worse than an heathen because I converted to Judaism. My assistant prays for my soul daily and I'm going to to Hell because I associate with heathen, homosexuals and hell-raisers. (Note: I personally do not believe in hell, but if I did, with the group that swears they're the ones going to heaven - I know I don't want to be there. Much more fun and relaxed in the other place.)
 
I guess I belong here too. I was raised Church of England (Anglican/Protestant/whatever), baptized and confirmed. I also married in the church when I was 22 out of respect for tradition and my dad's renewed faith (when we were kids my parents went through the church motions from time to time, but not often, and it wasn't until I was a teen that dad got more active in the church and mum stopped going altogether - my parents are still happily married despite this!).

I have never felt comfortable with the church's teachings. The whole Christian doctrine seems "off" somehow. The whole idea I have of God and his actions doesn't realy impress me somehow. Many people get comfort from the whole God idea, but I don't. I think a higher power could very well exist, but I don't think it is really very much like the Christian God I grew up with. And I don't believe in the Heaven andhell concept - i think if there is an afterlife (meaning our souls have a life outside of our bodies, which I have no problem with as a concept), it is very different from what we imagine.

The other day I had a long conversation with mum and dad about religion, and I was amazed at two things: 1) my mum and I think very similarly about religion, even though she's never really discussed her feelings with me this way before (i.e. I didn't just pick up her ideas from listening to her, I came by them on my own) and 2) we were able to discuss this so respectfully, even though dad has a very strong Christian faith. It was pretty clear to me why they have been married for 40 years - they argue kindly and fairly, and totally respect each others' opinions. I wish we could all do the same!

I've always wondered how people can have so much faith in things that are so unproven - my cold, logical, analytical mind won't allow me to do that. Dad says he came by his via Bible reading and becomng more active in a like-minded community. In his mind the rituals keep them together as a community, but it's his personal relationship with God, gained through Bible study and getting to "know" him, that carries his faith along. I can see that - the only problem I have is that I'm not sure the Bible accurately describes who "God" is, and if I can't place faith in the Bible (there are just too many issues I have with it and its history/provenance) then I can't use it to get to know "God". I have to imagine God, if He exists, on my own.

DH has been to many churches looking for answers and found none. None of the organized religions out there that he tried rang true for him. So he just abandones the search, and now doesn't think too much about religion.

Dad wants my kids to be introduced to God and the church, with is OK with us. Barbados is still a Christian country, and schools are still Christian based, so there would be no way to stop it anyway short of homeschooling. So we've decided to allow dad to talk to them about his faith, and let them decide for themselves what they believe in. Dad is a wonderful man who'd never "brainwash" the kids negatively - in fact he's extremely non judgemental anyway. So I see no harm. Our immediate family is small, and so far none of our more extended family knows anything about our religious beliefs, so we haven't had any grief about how we're raising our kids.
 
JennyMominRI said:
Judaism doesn't believe in Hell.. I would not want to worship a G-d that tortures people for eternity because they believe differently.. I can't understand why someone would want to worship a god that.
For the most part Judaism teaches that ANYONE who is righteous,anyone who does their best to be a good human being has a place in the world to come.

This is one of my biggest issues with Christian religions that believe in this kind of Hell. There are Christians that believe Hell is more of an absence of Heaven i.e. a "nothing" (i.e. you are dead). Heaven to them is more like being invited to live in a commune with all of God's other friends and family members, God being the father figure. And if you don't "know" God, then you logically would not be invited - you'd just die and there would be nothing afterwards. THIS I can believe in - it has some logic, if I believed in God in that way. I can also more believe in a God that only knows you if you seek him out, rather than a God who is supposed to keep track of billions and billions of people on earth!
 
Woah you can ask questions and discuss potentially contoversial things on this thread. Somehow I think I would fit in better on this thread than the "other" one. Sigh. Maybe I just don't fit in anywhere. ;) Maybe I'll start my own...Not a Godless heathen but also not afraid of the World.
 
Greetings, my people! Excellent thread.

I'm one of the greatly feared "secular humanists." I actually believe in the ability of people to be kind and moral just because of their faith in humanity. I know...really out there, huh? When I have kids, I'll bring them up similarly, instilling a belief in thinking globally and acting locally. People might disappoint them more than a diety that they can't see or understand, but hopefully they will find faith in the balance between the extraordinary actions of some vs. the selfish actions of others.

Crankyshank said:
Has anyone else seen "Saved" ? That was how DH grew up and the life the in-laws still live in. It was so true to RL that it makes DH kind of uncomfortable and yet amused to watch the movie.

Great movie. Scary that I felt like I actually knew some of these people. Dead-on satire.
 
Oh yes, Dogma is one of my most favorite movies! Also love Stigmata! Totally different, I know, one's comedic and one is big time drama bordering on horror.

Actually, I fully respect Judaism, every aspect has a 'reason' and all followers seem to know what that 'reason' is. Not any of the "because I said so" like the Catholic church.

I actually went to Catholic school for 9 years of my life, K-8. Nothing can turn you against them like they can.
 


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