Girls wearing hats in school

[NikitaZee]

Only if voting is one of them too. Double standards based on tradition being ok and all.

I too hate all this "progress" made in the name of equality. While we are at it maybe all those black kids should get back into their own school.

That second part was sarcasm.

Do some of you people work for RunDisney?

How you can compare all these things I don't know. Are you saying that hat wearing is comparable to civil rights? Women wearing bathing suit tops - men going topless, stuff like that? Come on, man - we are talking about fashion here!

 

[FireDancer]

Okay, but do I say Yes Ma'am or Yes Sir?

I don't know if that is enough. Just to make sure not to offend anyone's outdated view on what is "proper" maybe it is just best if you address everyone as master.

How you can compare all these things I don't know. Are you saying that hat wearing is comparable to civil rights? Women wearing bathing suit tops - men going topless, stuff like that? Come on man - we are talking about fashion here!

No, we are talking about double standards based on nothing physiological.

 

[wvjules]

I don't know if that is enough. Just to make sure not to offend anyone's outdated view on what is "proper" maybe it is just best if you address everyone as master.



No, we are talking about double standards based on nothing physiological.

Does gender inequality = double standards?

Sometimes men can do things that women can't or shouldn't. Sometimes women can do things that men can't or shouldn't. IMO, that does not automatically make it a double standard.

Topless man = ok
Topless woman = indecent exposure

Is that a double standard as well?

 

[NikitaZee]

I don't know if that is enough. Just to make sure not to offend anyone's outdated view on what is "proper" maybe it is just best if you address everyone as master.



No, we are talking about double standards.

The double standards of fashion. They are fine with me. Have to agree to disagree with you here, I am not using the term as broadly you are in relation to this particular debate.

 

[FireDancer]

Does gender inequality = double standards?

Sometimes men can do things that women can't or shouldn't. Sometimes women can do things that men can't or shouldn't. IMO, that does not automatically make it a double standard.

Topless man = ok
Topless woman = indecent exposure

Is that a double standard as well?

In much of the world people aren't so hung up on a the exposure of a woman's breast being indecent exposure. I do find it sad that we are such prudes here so you won't get an argument from me.

I think it is because we have this incorrect notion that nudity = sexuality. It doesn't.

If someone can provide me with a logical, and purely logical, reason why there should be a different rule I am all ears. And it better not have anything to do with how people dressed back in the day because in that case you better not wear pants in public seeing as at the same time these hat rules were relevant it was also improper for women to wear pants instead of dresses.

 

[wvjules]

In much of the world people aren't so hung up on a woman's breast being indecent exposure. I do find it sad that we are such prudes here so you won't get an argument from me.

I think it is because we have this incorrect notion that nudity = sexuality. It doesn't.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[FireDancer]

You didn't answer the question.

Yes, anywhere a man is allowed to be topless, legally, a woman should be allowed.

Gender inequality where there is no physiological necessity for it does equal double standard.

Does that answer the questions?

 

[wvjules]

Yes, anywhere a man is allowed to be topless, legally, a woman should be allowed.

Gender inequality where there is no physiological necessity for it does equal double standard.

Does that answer the questions?

Yes, thank you.

So you are for totally equality? Anying a man does a woman should be able to do and vice versa?

 

[Declan2]

I think the school did the rigth thing. Many people who do not work in HS do not see what kids do to push the limit. A dress code for the most part helps kids and parents know what is acceptible to wear in a public place. If hats are out it should be for both boys and girls. It does sound like you handled the situation very well with your daughter.

 

[FireDancer]

Yes, thank you.

So you are for totally equality? Anying a man does a woman should be able to do and vice versa?

As long as there is no physiological reason why they shouldn't be, yes. It doesn't mean I want to do them personally but having an etiquette rule that says what is ok for one is not ok for the other should never happen. Full stop.

I haven't worn a hat in years, other than a winter hat, but if I do and keep it on indoors don't tell me I can't just because I pee standing up.

 

[piglet too]

My son's high school (and many other high schools in the area) have a "no cover" rule for everyone who enters the building. I am sure there are exceptions for religious or medical reasons.

My son is also a the jROTC drill team. When they compete they wear their "covers" on the competition floor, but as soon as they are off the floor, it comes off too.

 

[okeydokey]

I'd love someone to tell the older ladies at my church that they can't wear hats anymore to the service... I commented earlier, but to expand, I think it's perfectly fine for ladies to wear hats indoors, just not baseball caps. And it kills me when men are still wearing their hats at the dinner table. I want to walk over and slap them off their head.

Why would they do that? Hats are not against the dress code at church, just at school.

 

[sparks19]

so as a woman if I wore a baseball cap would that be ok?

if a man wore a lacy hat with a feather would he have to take it off when indoors?

 

[dngnb8]

Yes, anywhere a man is allowed to be topless, legally, a woman should be allowed.

Careful of what you ask for.....

I worked on an ambulance that had a woman who did just that. Of course, this was back in 1979, but she constantly was flexing her,

I can do what ever you do as well as you do.

In she summer, we would be shirtless and in shorts. So would she (she wore her bra). We really didnt care, but she would strut around topless just to point out that she could. With her it was always a challenge, a competition etc.

IMHO, doing the things she did, does more harm then good for things like equality.

 

[sparks19]

Meh in Ontario women can go topless in the summer.

it's not really that big a deal and hasn't seemed to hurt equality at all

 

[Scurvy]

Only if voting is one of them too. Double standards based on tradition being ok and all.

I too hate all this "progress" made in the name of equality. While we are at it maybe all those black kids should get back into their own school.

That second part was sarcasm.

Do some of you people work for RunDisney?

ETA: I am not comparing voting to wearing hats but to create different rules for people based on gender, race, or anything else for no physiological reason is backwards and outdated. Of course most etiquette is just something made up so that busy-bodies can have something to complain about anyway.

But as another poster mentioned, there was a logical reason for the different etiquette rules for men and women regarding hats.

If someone can provide me with a logical, and purely logical, reason why there should be a different rule I am all ears. And it better not have anything to do with how people dressed back in the day because in that case you better not wear pants in public seeing as at the same time these hat rules were relevant it was also improper for women to wear pants instead of dresses.

The different traditions for men and women regarding hats have lingered and in many cases there are no reasons for there to be any difference. A man and a woman, both with baseball caps simply sitting on their heads, should either both be able to leave them on or both be expected to take them off indoors. However, there are still some women who wear more elaborate hats as part of their outfits which are actually attached to their hair using hairpins. The hat essentially becomes a part of their hairstyle. Removing the hat would either destroy their hairstyle or it would at the least be very difficult for them to replace the hat without a mirror and/or assistance. In cases like that, it make sense that they would simply keep the hat on. Personally I don't think it should be a double standard based on gender at all - I think anyone whose hat must be affixed to their hair with pins should be permitted to keep it on indoors or during the National Anthem. It shouldn't matter if they are male or female. Actually, even some etiquette experts agree with this - Miss Manners has said that the different rules should apply to the different types of hats regardless of the gender of those wearing them, and that if women choose to wear more casual hats such as baseball caps then they should be expected to follow the same rules that apply to the men who wear those hats. Presumably, then, men who wear dressier hats which require pins could keep them on indoors without violating etiquette rules at all. I do suspect their aren't many males who choose to wear those sorts of hats, though.

 

[FireDancer]

The different traditions for men and women regarding hats have lingered and in many cases there are no reasons for there to be any difference. A man and a woman, both with baseball caps simply sitting on their heads, should either both be able to leave them on or both be expected to take them off indoors. However, there are still some women who wear more elaborate hats as part of their outfits which are actually attached to their hair using hairpins. The hat essentially becomes a part of their hairstyle. Removing the hat would either destroy their hairstyle or it would at the least be very difficult for them to replace the hat without a mirror and/or assistance. In cases like that, it make sense that they would simply keep the hat on. Personally I don't think it should be a double standard based on gender at all - I think anyone whose hat must be affixed to their hair with pins should be permitted to keep it on indoors or during the National Anthem. It shouldn't matter if they are male or female. Actually, even some etiquette experts agree with this - Miss Manners has said that the different rules should apply to the different types of hats regardless of the gender of those wearing them, and that if women choose to wear more casual hats such as baseball caps then they should be expected to follow the same rules that apply to the men who wear those hats. Presumably, then, men who wear dressier hats which require pins could keep them on indoors without violating etiquette rules at all. I do suspect their aren't many males who choose to wear those sorts of hats, though.

You get no argument from me. I couldn't care less if anyone does or doesn't wear a hat in doors or if they wear nothing but a hat. Keep them on, take them off, staple them into your skull or glue them into your hair. I probably wouldn't even notice.

All I really care is that policies, like school policies, shouldn't be made in which men and women are give different rules for no reason other than well, that is just how it has always been.

 

[Goofyluver]

Really? Why? (Or is that what that is for? lol) Seems a little dorky. Is it a school uniform school? Private school? My DS lives in soccer shirts and polo shirts; I'm picturing how silly they'd look tucked in, and into belted pants.

That's what the was for.

Not a private school, and not a school uniform. Just a good, ol' fashioned dress code, in my little bitty town.

I think the rule for the girls was something along the lines of: "Don't show your booty". And they left it at that.

Here's another exception:

You still haven't said WHY it's disrespectful.

It just is.

When my son walks into a building, he is to remove his hat. On vacation last week, he hung it on the back of his chair every time we went in to a restaurant. Why? Because I said so.

I'm also attempting to make him open doors for people in order to demonstrate the fact that he's a gentleman with good manners. I don't let him burp or fart in public. It's bad etiquette. I don't see removing his hat any differently.

If I looked over at you at the table next to me at a restaurant, I'd point you out to him as someone with bad etiquette. I'd use you as an example.

 

[HonnyDipp]

my DD16 is in high school a few weeks ago I get an automated call going over the dress code policy. The recording actually said that "lace bra's are not to be worn as a shirt" my mouth dropped. My DD said she saw a few girls coming to school in the morning wearing nothing but lace bra and jeans. so wearing a hat to school is fine with me!

 

[Anne34]

I teach in a MS and both boys and girls are not permitted to wear hats. It is part of our dress code.

same here