Girls wearing hats in school

[Allons-y!]

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[Dan Murphy]

I can only guess that it's the stupid new board format where so many old, old threads are shown at the bottom of pages. Someone sees something interesting and responds, not realizing how old the thread really it.

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[Kitty 34]

Beefbaby come join some our more recent threads........they can be just as interesting!!!!

 

[Allons-y!]

Adblock Plus will get rid of those for you, plus all the ads.

Oh, I use it and love it! But I know that not everyone does, and they see the old threads and don't realize that the OP is long gone. The topics are still often interesting, though.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

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[BeefBaby]

Beefbaby come join some our more recent threads........they can be just as interesting!!!!

TBH I looked up this issue on google considering my own school, and this was the first result.

 

[NewRVLady]

zombie....zombie Alert

 

[kaytieeldr]

TBH I looked up this issue on google considering my own school, and this was the first result.

So what's the consensus or the rule in your school?

 

[jevs]

Arghh for goodness sake. I've just read through this zombie thread so I'm going to post after that effort

Opposite here, no hat no play. actually they can play but only in the shaded area which is kinda boring. High school most kids refuse to wear hats so unsure what my high schooler is going to do in a couple of weeks. To my knowledge the kids don't wear them inside. Unlikely if the teachers would get antsy over it though because the big evil over here is hoodies - even in school colours

 

[tzolkin]

We had the no hats for boys, hats OK for girls rule in my HS in the late 70s.

And of course back in the stone ages women HAD to wear hats in Catholic church. A Kleenex bobby pinned to the hair was an acceptable emergency substitute.

I think this is why there's the "double standard" about men wearing hats indoors being rude and women wearing something being acceptable. In the past (and in many places today) it is the norm for women to wear some sort of head covering for religious purposes. Because it's not done among most American Christians today, I think most people don't realize this was normal not that long ago. Even through the 1960s many American women covered their heads in church and certain Christian women still wear a head covering (during their daily lives and/or at church) even today.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I can only guess that it's the stupid new board format where so many old, old threads are shown at the bottom of pages.

You really need to understand who brings the thread back. In this case, BeefBaby is new. He or she probably was googling a related topic and found this thread, decided to create an account, log in, and respond.

It's when you see someone old posting to an old thread that the answer is "the suggesting threads".

 

[RedAngie]

You really need to understand who brings the thread back. In this case, BeefBaby is new. He or she probably was googling a related topic and found this thread, decided to create an account, log in, and respond.

It's when you see someone old posting to an old thread that the answer is "the suggesting threads".

That's how I found the DIS some years ago. I don't specifically remember what I was searching for (it wasn't Disney related), but a DIS thread was one of the choices. I read that thread, browsed around the site for a few weeks, and decided to join. This was back around 2010.

I'll bet more than a few members found the DIS in the same manner.

 

[cijay]

I guess the boy should buy himself a crocheted beret.

If they're going to apply the antiquated 'girls can, boys can't' rule (wasn't that kind of what the original womwn's lib was for?) then they'll have to go back to the girls wearing skirts no more than 4" above the knee and no trousers. Not a fan of that myself.

I don't know about all hats but baseball caps but when I was speaking at a school, the baseball caps (and bandanas) were banned because they could be gang related.

Bring back uniform clothing!

 

[GaryDis]

Zombies should only wear hats as a plot device put in by the scriptwriter, to prevent detection by the audience, redshirt characters, or the zombie thread police.

More seriously:

It's difficult to find the true origins of this symbolism. A number of sites attribute it to the days of knights in shining armor (or tarnished armor), when they would open their visor as an indication that they're not afraid of the other person knowing their identity, or even remove their helmet to indicate that they're not there to engage in battle. Others attribute it to church practice, but I haven't found one explaining the symbolism. That's ironic, because in Judaism, where the tradition is to keep the head covered, the symbolism is clear - the head covering is a reminder that there is always the Divine above us.

While reddit in general has a poor signal-to-noise ratio, the AskHistorians reddit tries for high standards, and this thread in particular has some interesting references. It suggests that the head (or perhaps a crown) is the symbol of authority, so that inferiors remove their hat in the presence of their superiors. It includes a reference to Quakers refusing to doff their hats, as a rejection of human pride or authority.

There's also a reference to a woodcut of King Charles I dining in the presence of others, with Charles being the only male wearing a hat. If you've seen the BBC series "Wolf Hall" (also shown on PBS), which takes place a few decades before Charles I, you may have noticed that the men in the series often kept their hats on indoors, though I can't attest as to the reliability of the research either for the series or for the book upon which it was based. Nevertheless, it gives credence to the suggestion that the removal of hats indoors may date only to the 18th or 19th centuries.

In any event, a custom for which the symbolism can no longer be explained by even its strident proponents is surely a custom whose significance is dying out. Perhaps instead of tipping our hats to the ladies on the street, we should adopt a new custom of doffing our sunglasses; at least it would be closer to the idea of knights opening their visors.

 

[tzolkin]

Others attribute it to church practice, but I haven't found one explaining the symbolism. That's ironic, because in Judaism, where the tradition is to keep the head covered, the symbolism is clear - the head covering is a reminder that there is always the Divine above us.
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Perhaps instead of tipping our hats to the ladies on the street, we should adopt a new custom of doffing our sunglasses; at least it would be closer to the idea of knights opening their visors.

I'm not sure of your meaning in reference to religious symbolism and practice. Do you mean there's no symbolism behind the practice of women covering their heads (at least in Christianity)? The headcovering is a signifier of modesty and/or submission. It has fallen out of practice among many Christians, but the symbolism remains. If there was no symbolic meaning behind headcoverings, there would be no outcry about women who wear them being "oppressed" or "anti-feminist".

As for the sunglasses... I believe there was a heated debate on the Dis a while back about whether or not it's rude to leave your sunglasses on when meeting someone.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

OOOOO A zombie thread. 4 out of 10 zombies say no hats in school. It's hard to remember to take the hat off before eating brains.
3 out of 10 zombies said hats are fine. They're tasty too.
3 out of 10 zombies said they were so hungry, they could eat 4 humans. So me and my three assistants ended the survey and got out of there really quickly.

 

[GaryDis]

I'm not sure of your meaning in reference to religious symbolism and practice. Do you mean there's no symbolism behind the practice of women covering their heads (at least in Christianity)? The headcovering is a signifier of modesty and/or submission. It has fallen out of practice among many Christians, but the symbolism remains. If there was no symbolic meaning behind headcoverings, there would be no outcry about women who wear them being "oppressed" or "anti-feminist".

I'm sorry, I was referring to the symbolism of men removing their head covering, not women wearing one. And I'm not saying there is no symbolic meaning to removing the hat, just that it's difficult to determine it and many people insist that it represents respect without being able to explain how it came to signify respect.

 

[OhioStateBuckeye]

I didn't read the whole thread, but I'm cracking up that the OP is talking about 'ladies' wearing hats inside. That rule was about fashionable hats, not beanies, which I enjoy wearing, but I consider to be kind of grungy, not high fashion hats.

Why do people care that old threads are brought back up? The threads are just as entertaining to read as they were when they were first posted.

 

[tzolkin]

I'm sorry, I was referring to the symbolism of men removing their head covering, not women wearing one. And I'm not saying there is no symbolic meaning to removing the hat, just that it's difficult to determine it and many people insist that it represents respect without being able to explain how it came to signify respect.

Thanks. I understand what you were saying now.

I think I was focusing more on the topic of why it's acceptable for women to cover their heads indoors rather than why it's unacceptable for men to do the same.

Although, the same passage in 1 Corinthians that talks about women covering their heads also explicitly states that a man should not cover his head "since he is the image and glory of God". This passage is referring to times of prayer/worship, but maybe the removing hats indoors (everywhere) was an etiquette carry-over from men being required to remove hats in church/during prayer? (Like, removing hats at the dinner table because you're praying became simply "it's rude to not remove your hat at the table")