Getting down payment for home purchase from 401k

We did it when we bought our house 12 years ago.

We did it as a cash withdrawal. There was (and I don't know if there still is or not) some kind of provision that a first time homeowner could withdraw and use as a down payment without a penalty...(I think)...I think we either paid the taxes or the 10% penalty, but defnitely NOT both.
 
I agree that a HELOC on the current home would be the best way to go (and what we did when we had a house built four years ago). It ended up taking us a couple extra months to sell our house than we thought, so we had one month with payments on both houses. But once our first house sold, we could pay off the 1st mortgage (which you don't have) and the HELOC.
 
We did it when we bought our house 12 years ago.

We did it as a cash withdrawal. There was (and I don't know if there still is or not) some kind of provision that a first time homeowner could withdraw and use as a down payment without a penalty...(I think)...I think we either paid the taxes or the 10% penalty, but defnitely NOT both.

Some 401ks do not allow for in-service withdrawals, those that do allow for them are taxed and charged a penalty with just a few exclusions on the penalty piece. If you are buying a primary residence you are usually exempt, but it has to be deemed a hardship in the sense that you were unable to secure funding via an alternative method (ie. Savings).
 
We have done it. DH took out momey to buy our house in TX. It was done loan style and the payment comes out of his paycheck.
 

It's not the worst thing you could do in the world, I've heard of people doing dumber things with 401k money.

If it works exactly the way you think it will, it's an okay strategy. But if something goes wrong, you could be in a world of hurt. I personally would not take the chance. That loan is due if you leave that company for any reason, including illness or injury that prevents you from working! It doesn't have to be a layoff or the company shutting down.

To my mind, 401k money doesn't exist until I'm 59 and 1/2 (legal withdrawl age). Short of a life or death situation (litterally, somebody needs a kidney or something!) that money is not to be touched, period.

But that's just me. You do seem to have your eyes wide open about this, so it could very well work out just the way you want it to. No matter what you do, good luck on the new house! :)
 
How about looking at a Home Equity Line of Credit on the current house. If you have lived there for 25 years, your mortgage should be very close to being paid off.

Then you can use the draw on the HELOC for both the down payment as well as for doing work on the current house.

As soon as your current house is sold the HELOC will automatically be paid off. And also the interest on it is tax deductible and you will not have to mess with the 401(k) at all.
 
I also agree with taking a HELOC on your current house vs a 401K loan-especially given your age. It is the safest thing to do in your current situation given the information you provided.
 
Yes, our current house was paid off after 20 years. We are excited about our new house!
 
One other drawback is that you will be paying the loan back with money that has already been taxed and then when you start taking money out after retirement you will have to pay taxes on it again - double taxes right?!
 
We did something vaguely similar many years ago. We were building a house. I didn't pay enough attention to the structure of the building loan and we hit a month where we were going to have a serious cashflow crunch. My options were to sell some substantially appreciated assets and take a capital gains hit or borrow money from the 401K. We opted for the latter knowing that we could cover the loan if absolutely necessary. We only kept the loan about a month.

My advice is to look at your cashflow situation. Take out all of the money that you'll need because, I think, most 401Ks don't allow you to borrow more money until you've paid back the original loan. With that being said, spend as little of the 401K money as possible because you want to pay it off as quickly as possible.

We did something very similar. And yes, you cannot take another loan until the current one is paid off and the small amount of interest we had was also paid back into our own 401k account.
 
We are prepared to price our old house to SELLL!!!!!!

Honestly-I'd have a talk with a good real estate person to look at your house, get a estimate and see how fast a really older house will sell NOWADAYS.

I find young buyers want all the stainless steel and granite countertops,,,,,,,and frankly-I have seen houses sit for a year now-not selling


I'm also like another poster here who believes-the 401 k is not touched for anything


I'd get a loan on the paid for house for the down payment
 
I think your plan is fine. The one drawback right now is, the stock market is up, and the part of the 401K held against the loan is not earning at the same rate the rest of your 401k is - it's earning the loan interest only.

That said, I think it will be much easier for you to sell your house unencumbered, and another thing to consider: if you were to borrow via a HELOC to get a down payment for the new house, and the sky fell (as many advisors who are bent-against 401k loans fear) would you rather have 2 mortgages to pay, or a mortgage and a 401K loan which could theoretically become additional income.

Honestly, 401k loans just aren't the monsters Dave Ramsey and the like have made them out to be.
 
I think your plan is fine. The one drawback right now is, the stock market is up, and the part of the 401K held against the loan is not earning at the same rate the rest of your 401k is - it's earning the loan interest only.

That said, I think it will be much easier for you to sell your house unencumbered, and another thing to consider: if you were to borrow via a HELOC to get a down payment for the new house, and the sky fell (as many advisors who are bent-against 401k loans fear) would you rather have 2 mortgages to pay, or a mortgage and a 401K loan which could theoretically become additional income.

Honestly, 401k loans just aren't the monsters Dave Ramsey and the like have made them out to be.

I am confused by your point--she would only have a small HELOC, not a full mortgage on her current home. The HELOC is also set up so your monthly payments are interest only, so probably $200/month or so then once she sells, the sale of the home pays off the HELOC and she is done. I don't understand the point you are trying to make about the 401K loan becoming additional income. Could you clarify what you are getting at.
 
I am confused by your point--she would only have a small HELOC, not a full mortgage on her current home. The HELOC is also set up so your monthly payments are interest only, so probably $200/month or so then once she sells, the sale of the home pays off the HELOC and she is done. I don't understand the point you are trying to make about the 401K loan becoming additional income. Could you clarify what you are getting at.

401K loans become additional income if you lose your job and do not pay them off within a specified period of time - 60 days, I think.
 
I did it about 15 years ago. I was buying a house in the San Francisco area and needed about $60,000 for a downpayment. I had little other money for a downpayment.

I rented for 5 years until I was vested in my 401K. I am so glad that I did this. Prices were down about 30% from the peak of the market when I bought. My rent had been very stable but was just beginning to skyrocket.

I bought with no expectation of appreciation. And I didn't see any for at least 5 years. But I made a fortune when I did sell a few years later.
 
Five reasons you may not want to borrow from your 401-k

http://www.coachmelissa.net/2009/05/top-5-reasons-not-to-borrow-against-your-401k/

May 20, 2009Are you thinking about borrowing against your 401k? With the value of your 401k going down, wouldn’t it be better to use it before you lose all of it?

Unless you are facing foreclosure or bankruptcy, you should NOT borrow against your 401k and here’s why:

1.The loan is tied to your employment. At some point, you WILL be leaving your employer. It may or it may not be your choice to leave. Regardless of how or when you leave, the loan will need to be repaid.

2.If you don’t repay your loan within 60 days of leaving your current employer, the IRS will view the remaining amount due as a distribution (withdrawal). Unless you are at least 59 ½ years of age, you will be taxed at your current tax rate PLUS 10% for an early withdrawal penalty.

3.You pay double taxes. When you make contributions to a standard 401k, the contributions are in pre-tax dollars. When you’re repaying a loan, you are using after-tax dollars. When you retire, you will have to pay taxes on the distributions again. Additionally, the interest paid on the loan is not tax deductible, even if you use the money to purchase your primary residence.

4.The borrowed money is not growing. You unplug your investments while you are repaying the loan. This means that you are not paid while your investments increase in value. Stocks are on sale right now. The only way they’ll go from here is up. Even though you’re paying yourself interest while repaying the loan, the interest rate paid is often less than the rate your investments would have otherwise earned.

5.It is only a bandaid solution. You are essentially trying to solve the problem of having too much debt by once again borrowing the money. While this strategy might work in the short term, you will find yourself back at square one just a few months down the road.
Figuring out how to repay large debt is always difficult. In a bad economy it might seem impossible. That is why it is especially important to recognize the need for professional advice. Many financial coaches and advisors will have an initial consultation free of charge. Once you start working with them, together you will come up with solutions that will work for your particular situation.

If you are facing foreclosure and/or bankruptcy, go ahead and borrow against your 401k. But borrow only the amount you actually need. Otherwise, you’re better off finding other ways to repay your debt.

And why you may not want to cash in early.

http://www.articlesbase.com/personal-finance-articles/401k-early-withdrawal-penalty-1274287.html

The 401K early withdrawal penalty is a heavy price to pay, that if at all possible, should be avoided.

This fee is paid when you cash out your account before turning 59 years and 6 months old. You can only do this when you've reached retirement age (in which case there is no fee) or when you've left your current employer. You have a very short amount of time to decide what to do, usually about thirty days. When you leave your job you can decide to leave the money in it's current plan, rollover to your new employers plan, roll into an IRA (independent retirement account), or cash out.

When you cash out the 401K early withdrawal penalty takes a great deal of your accounts balance. There are three different parts that must be paid: federal taxes, state taxes, and a ten percent penalty. The federal tax percentage is determined by your tax bracket, which can be found on your last years tax papers. State tax varies state to state, but is typically somewhere between five to ten percent. When added all together these three parts can amount to thirty to forty percent of the amount you take from the account, plus the money the account would have accumulated up to the point of retirement.

If you need money now and see this account as your only option for funding, there are some circumstances where you can use this money and avoid the 401K early withdrawal penalty.

If you are in a situation of economic hardship, where you will lose your home or have medical bills, you can fill out economic hardship paperwork and apply to get take some money from the account. You do have to repay this money, though.

Some plans will allow you to do 401K loans. You are allowed to borrow from the account up to 50% of it's balance, or $50,000 (whichever is less). You do have to repay this money and pay interest, but the interest rate is low, and the interest you pay is put right into your account, so it's not really a loss. This money does have to be repaid within five years or else it is treated as though you originally cashed out and you have to pay the early withdrawal penalty.

With some plans you are also able to withdraw to use the money to pay for college courses if the classes will further your current career. You'll want to check with your plan provider to see if this is available to you.

Because of these harsh fees, and the loss of your main retirement savings, it is important to avoid paying the 401K early withdrawal penalty.
 
It seems to me that the OP didn't ask for advice about talking a loan from her 401(k) in the first place. She's already decided on this course of action and, to her credit, hasn't allowed strangers on an internet bulletin board (who have nothing to lose) to control her life.

What she asked was if anyone else had ever done that and whether or not they took more than they needed. Since she didn't get the advice she was looking for, I'm not surprised she hasn't returned to this thread. Who needs a bunch of Debbie Downers wagging their fingers in your face when you are the one who knows your situation best, discussed it with the people in your real life who care about you, and have decided on a course of action.

So for everyone else who's so against taking money from their 401(k)s, by all means don't take money from your 401(k). You'll sleep better at night if you don't take a loan from your 401(k).

To the OP, I'm hoping that you and your DH have decided what you are going to do about taking more than the down payment and will soon be enjoying your new house!

:banana: Mozeltoff! :banana:
 
It seems to me that the OP didn't ask for advice about talking a loan from her 401(k) in the first place. She's already decided on this course of action and, to her credit, hasn't allowed strangers on an internet bulletin board (who have nothing to lose) to control her life.

What she asked was if anyone else had ever done that and whether or not they took more than they needed. Since she didn't get the advice she was looking for, I'm not surprised she hasn't returned to this thread. Who needs a bunch of Debbie Downers wagging their fingers in your face when you are the one who knows your situation best, discussed it with the people in your real life who care about you, and have decided on a course of action.

So for everyone else who's so against taking money from their 401(k)s, by all means don't take money from your 401(k). You'll sleep better at night if you don't take a loan from your 401(k).

To the OP, I'm hoping that you and your DH have decided what you are going to do about taking more than the down payment and will soon be enjoying your new house!

:banana: Mozeltoff! :banana:

WOW did you take it personal. People shouldn't post questions or opinions if they don't expect to get responses that may or may not be a hoorah type response.

People offer advice and differing opinions based on their backgrounds and experience. As a Financial Analyst, I have a lot of background in this arena and which is why I offered my opinion and advice. Often people get excited in the moment in making a decision, and forget that there may be other opportunities that are more logical or more fiscally sound.
 












Receive up to $1,000 in Onboard Credit and a Gift Basket!
That’s right — when you book your Disney Cruise with Dreams Unlimited Travel, you’ll receive incredible shipboard credits to spend during your vacation!
CLICK HERE











DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter DIS Bluesky

Back
Top