Getting canned over racist language

[RedAngie]

Ding Ding Ding!!! Winner Winner Kentucky Fried Chicken Dinner!!!

Thanks, but I never cared for KFC. There's another chicken chain but that one is a bit controversial too.

If there are no scandals involving Zaxby's, I'll accept my chicken dinner prize from there.

(Growing up, there were no KFCs in the Philly/South Jersey/northern Delaware area. KFC was licensed to be sold at a burger chain called Gino's, which lasted into the early 80s. It was only after Gino's folded that KFC stores started to open in the area.)

I've never tried Papa John's pizza and in all honesty, I'm not even sure we have one in our area. We have literally hundreds of pizzerias of all kinds in our area (south Jersey).

The only one I know of in South Jersey is in Toms River.

There are several in my area but I've never tried it. There are many independent pizza restaurants here too. No need to go to chains.

 

[luvsJack]

His comments are very black and white though. I mean this thread is about him using a racial slur and randomly talking about growing up where people used to murder black people by dragging them behind trucks. There's no gray area in any of that. It's sad that we live in a world where people who even think it's necessary to find gray area in it.

Oh dear Lord. That isn’t remotely what I said and you very well know it. Stop twisting everything.

No there is no gray area in what he said. I never even suggested there was.

But calling everyone wrong or twisting what they are discussing because they don’t say the exact same 4 or 5 word that you want to see is ridiculous and simply not the way humans work.

 

[luvsJack]

Thanks, but I never cared for KFC. There's another chicken chain but that one is a bit controversial too.

If there are no scandals involving Zaxby's, I'll accept my chicken dinner prize from there.

(Growing up, there were no KFCs in the Philly/South Jersey/northern Delaware area. KFC was licensed to be sold at a burger chain called Gino's, which lasted into the early 80s. It was only after Gino's folded that KFC stores started to open in the area.)



The only one in South Jersey I know of is in Toms River.

Is Chick Fil A an unmentionable word for some reason? “ The fast food that shall not be named” so to speak?

 

[RedAngie]

Is Chick Fil A an unmentionable word for some reason? “ The fast food that shall not be named” so to speak?

Not that I'm aware of.

Who said I was referring to that chain? Maybe I meant Popeyes.

 

[luvsJack]

Not that I'm aware of.

Who said I was referring to that chain? Maybe I meant Popeyes.

Lol. Okay.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. I never liked him and his pizza is terrible.

Used to have one near work, but far from home & considered it a special treat. Have one near home now & just never go there. It’s been disappointing at best.

 

[VandVsmama]

Freedom of speech = you have a right to speak your mind. I will defend your right to speak your mind, to be a butthole and to say butthole things. But it does not mean that you are free from the consequences of saying those butthole things.

A wise person knows when it is the right time to say something and when it is best to hold his or her tongue.

 

[mnrose]

Do you boycott ALL the companies that don’t offer decent healthcare? Can’t leave you too many to shop with.

No, but I do choose to be more supportive (with my dollars) to those companies who offer better benefits to their employees. It's one of the big reasons the majority of my spending (all categories, except health care) goes to Costco. Costco's code of ethics is as follows (in order of importance to them):

Costco Code of Ethics

• Obey the law. The law is irrefutable! ...
• Take care of our members. Costco membership is open to business owners, as well as individuals. ...
• Take care of our employees. Our employees are our most important asset. ...
• Respect our suppliers. ...
• Reward our shareholders.

I like how the least important is the shareholders. But, that's because Costco believes if you take care of the first four, the last one takes care of itself. This is quite the opposite of most businesses, where employees are viewed as a "necessary evil" and it shows. I've been shopping at the same Costco for 12 years. Still see a LOT of the same faces in their ranks....12 years later. The same cannot be said of other major retail establishments. Costco employees are extremely loyal...because they are treated well. Employees who are treated well, treat customers well.

I'm sure some of my spending goes to companies with bad benefits, because no one is perfect. But, given a choice, I'll shop and support Costco all day and all night over stores who treat employees like crap.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Oh dear Lord. That isn’t remotely what I said and you very well know it. Stop twisting everything.

No there is no gray area in what he said. I never even suggested there was.

But calling everyone wrong or twisting what they are discussing because they don’t say the exact same 4 or 5 word that you want to see is ridiculous and simply not the way humans work.

You are just making things up. Never did I say people have to just say the exact same 4 or 5 words.
In response to a question you asked, I said yes i would like a thread about such blantant racism where all posters are just denouncing the racist and his words.
I really don't understand how that's something to be criticized over. The idea that racism should be universally and unquestionably denounced shouldn't be controversial.

 

[CarolAnn856]

A wise person knows when it is the right time to say something and when it is best to hold his or her tongue.

By saying that a wise person is simply one who knows when to stay silent, it's like saying as long as someone doesn't announce their racism, it's okay. I don't think that's what you meant, but it can come across that way.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Do you boycott ALL the companies that don’t offer decent healthcare? Can’t leave you too many to shop with.

That's the problem with this world. You know, strength in numbers??? - maybe if we all stuck together and boycotted these companies they would give healthcare. Because looks like many are making big time profits. But if it's anything like what happens here on these threads, and this one is no exception, looks like we see excuses, excuses, excuses for tolerating racism, excuses for tolerating not providing healthcare (even tho they're making profits), excuses for all kinds of bad things, deflections to all kinds of stuff, yada yada yada yada baloney.

 

[VandVsmama]

By saying that a wise person is simply one who knows when to stay silent, it's like saying as long as someone doesn't announce their racism, it's okay. I don't think that's what you meant, but it can come across that way.

Well, of course racism isn't ok. That's not what I meant. But do racist individuals have the freedoms in the US to say certain things? Like it or not, they do. I do not support their views, but I do support their right to freedom of speech. Of course, if you're going to go around at work saying racist things, that's a good way to get fired. And perhaps you should think twice about participating in that racist single ethnic group sort of protest march since your face could end up on the local news or making the rounds on social media...thus making its way back to your employer.

I fully support their right to be a jerk within the confines of the law. They have a right to think however they want. The law prohibits various forms of speech as someone posted earlier. But they need to choose their words wisely and think twice about putting their feet in their mouths. Consider the Chief Financial Officer at some company a few years ago in Tucson...he stupidly filmed himself in a Chick-fil-a drive-through berating and harrassing an employee while he asked for some 'hate water.' He was really over the top and out of line. The day after that made the national news...his employer fired him. He totally ruined his career and had a horrible time finding work after that.

Did he have a Constitutional right to call Chick-fil-a the names that he did? Yes, he did. Even if you agree or disagree with what that guy said, he had a right to say it. But were there some severe consequences to him choosing to post that video on Youtube? You betcha.

 

[VandVsmama]

Freedom of speech = you have a right to speak your mind. I will defend your right to speak your mind, to be a butthole and to say butthole things. But it does not mean that you are free from the consequences of saying those butthole things.

A wise person knows when it is the right time to say something and when it is best to hold his or her tongue.

Usually, a wise person and a racist person are not one and the same. ;-)

 

[L&Lfan]

That was a horrible video. That bully deserved everything he got.

 

[VandVsmama]

As the CEO of major corporation, the former head of Papa John's pizza is expected to model the company's standards of conduct and behavior. I don't work for Papa Johns nor have I read all of the news reports about this latest scandal. But just saying a term like that is not necessarily, by itself, equal to the person being a racist. It depends on the context. Before you call freak out on me, bear with me for a moment while I explain.

Example #1
This happened to me, personally, earlier in my career. I worked for a boss who was kind of a butthole. He told LGBT jokes a lot, made jokes about men getting HIV by hugging each other. He'd gotten in trouble before for using a racist term for a Hispanic person right in front of a Hispanic colleague in a meeting. He got a slap on the wrist. Boss was a fan of storytelling and 1 day told this story about 2 or 3 marketing women who he had spoken with a few days' prior at another office location. He had addressed the grown women as "girls" and did not understand why the female marketing professionals were upset with him. He thought it was funny. I went off on him and said that last time I checked, a female stopped being a 'girl' once she turned 18 and that no woman in the workplace deserves to be referred to as a 'girl' because it's demeaning and disrespectful. I asked him how he'd like it if he was African-American and somebody referred to him as the "N-word." And I said "N-word," not the actual word, ok?

At that particular moment, a young African-American colleague was walking by and only heard my reference to "N-word." She spoke to me later that day to find out what the heck the deal was because she'd run into racism before there at work. I explained the context of it and told her about how my boss is sometimes a pig-headed fool and how he's gotten in trouble for stuff like that before and how I was telling him to not ever refer to a female at work as a 'girl' in front of me ever again. She had her run ins w/him, too, and agreed that he was on the racist end of the spectrum.

Fictional Example #2:
Somebody in a conference call or in person meeting at a work place makes a demeaning and offensive statement regarding African-Americans and people of African descent. Person uses the actual N-word and/or other offensive & derogatory words historically used to put down people of that race/ethnic origin. Person might also make outrageous statements that "all people like that are ____" (where the blank ___ is pretty much anything negative about that group. I'm not going to give you a list. You can imagine it on your own).

THIS person deserves to be called to the carpet with HR. And if you're the CEO, then yeah, you definitely should resign before the board of directors fires your sorry behind.

 

[luvsJack]

You are just making things up. Never did I say people have to just say the exact same 4 or 5 words.
In response to a question you asked, I said yes i would like a thread about such blantant racism where all posters are just denouncing the racist and his words.
I really don't understand how that's something to be criticized over. The idea that racism should be universally and unquestionably denounced shouldn't be controversial.

I asked if you would prefer a 3 page thread that just said over and over “he is racist and should have been canned” and you said yes.

Yes racism should be denounced. Has anyone said different?

Just because someone discusses another point in the issue at hand doesn’t mean they don’t agree with that. You seem to be the only failing to see that it is entirely possible to know what he said was horrible AND there are other issues if the company is damaged.

 

[bcla]

The University of Louisville brought down the hammer. They asked for his resignation from their board of trustees, but they've also removed his name from a business center. Also - they're discontinuing the naming for the stadium after Papa John's, and now it's Cardinal Stadium. A little bit confusing since there used to be a Cardinals Stadium.

https://uoflnews.com/post/uofltoday/president-bendapudi-football-stadium-is-now-cardinal-stadium/

 

[luvsJack]

That's the problem with this world. You know, strength in numbers??? - maybe if we all stuck together and boycotted these companies they would give healthcare. Because looks like many are making big time profits. But if it's anything like what happens here on these threads, and this one is no exception, looks like we see excuses, excuses, excuses for tolerating racism, excuses for tolerating not providing healthcare (even tho they're making profits), excuses for all kinds of bad things, deflections to all kinds of stuff, yada yada yada yada baloney.

It’s not excuses. The COMPANY is not racist. The COMPANY has made no racist remarks or actions. It is one man and he has been removed.

Health care is a different thing. They are within the law to not provide it because most of their employees are not full time. They usually work 35 hours or less and so it doesn’t have to be provided. Besides how many food service workers do you know that could afford it anyway? If you want them to offer it, then the pay will have to go up and we are right back at raising prices.

 

[robinb]

I guess I just don't understand why you even brought up not being a SJW.

Social Justice Warrior is something that people that wish to turn a blind eye to things or approve of he injustice call people that don't to blow them off.

Frankly, I don't even know why the term "SJW" is allowed on the DIS since it is used as a pejorative by the general public. When it is used to describe a poster or that poster's position it veers into personal attack territory. There are other terms we can't use to describe certain groups of people because those terms are contemptuous of those groups. I think that SJW should be one of them. I have yet to see it used on the DIS (or, for that matter elsewhere) in a positive manner. Even if it's used as shorthand for a certain group it's still NOT a nice or positive term and it's clear that when people use it it comes from a state of disapproval.

 

[RedAngie]

The University of Louisville brought down the hammer. They asked for his resignation from their board of trustees, but they've also removed his name from a business center. Also - they're discontinuing the naming for the stadium after Papa John's, and now it's Cardinal Stadium. A little bit confusing since there used to be a Cardinals Stadium.

https://uoflnews.com/post/uofltoday/president-bendapudi-football-stadium-is-now-cardinal-stadium/

I think I read yesterday that John Schnatter himself, not Papa John's, owns the naming rights to the stadium.