George Zimmerman Trial ......

[Robbi]

I agree that the injuries don't have to be life threatening for someone to fear for their life. However, if the injuries weren't life threatening, it seems like GZ would have had a greater opportunity to fight back. From all accounts, GZ did nothing to defend himself except shimmy to the grass. He never threw a punch, tried to overpower TM, tried to flip him over, or grabbed him in his "man parts." Yet, when there was an apparent struggle for the gun, of which I think the person on top would have more power and control with being on top, GZ was easily able to overpower TM and shoot him.

Doesn't matter what it seems like, it only matters what Zimmerman feared. Martin straddled him. If someone straddles you, your arms can be caught up and you have to struggle to try to get them free.
Zimmerman did not say he was easily able to get away.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial

Rao seems a bit agitated at the moment. She is trying to compare her photos to the ones O'Mara is showing. #Zimmerman

 

[joviroxx]

If he wasn't on patrol he then should have minded his own business, call whoever was on patrol, or leave it alone after calling the police

Why? Are you saying the only one that should be calling anything in is the one on "call", C'mon, I can understand people's opinion that GZ is guilty , but to suggest that someone shouldn't be concerned if they saw something suspicious is silly.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial

O'Mara and Rao agree finally that there could have been up to 4 hits on the left and right side of the head. "It's possible" #Zimmerman

 

[Lorelei Lee]

He wasn't stalking. He said he was looking for an address. I had a problem with this until I saw the re enactment. It showed he walked beyond the t and was walking back towards his truck. Before seeing this, I could not picture in my mind the way this would have worked.

That's what the jury is going to determine, isn't it?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Really? So, in general you think victim's have too many rights and defendants not enough?

That's a sentiment I've never heard from anyone before.

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I didn't say that either. Making many assumptions and jumping to conclusions?

You said,

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Originally Posted by chobie
I think you only feel that way for this one case. I'm willing to bet there have been times and other cases where you bemoaned the fact that it seems like the defendants have all the rights and the victims have none.

I only feel this way for this one case? Why would you say that? You are willing to bet there are other cases, I've bemoaned the fact (see above). Nope, don't think, I've bemoaned other cases....

It's the truth?

GZ never went to the ENT, so he didn't know if he had a broken nose, yet went on Hannity and said he did without skipping a beat.

If, it didnt affect his breathing and/or he wasn't concerned for cosmetic reasons? I can understand, why he didnt follow up.

 

[joviroxx]

Maybe you could get Cheney Mason to sit on the other side of you to balance things out!

Oh the horror! Lmao!

 

[LisaR]

Doesn't matter what it seems like, it only matters what Zimmerman feared. Martin straddled him. If someone straddles you, your arms can be caught up and you have to struggle to try to get them free.
Zimmerman did not say he was easily able to get away.

He also never indicated that his arms were trapped and he couldn't fight back.

 

[Hoodie]

I agree that the injuries don't have to be life threatening for someone to fear for their life. However, if the injuries weren't life threatening, it seems like GZ would have had a greater opportunity to fight back. From all accounts, GZ did nothing to defend himself except shimmy to the grass. He never threw a punch, tried to overpower TM, tried to flip him over, or grabbed him in his "man parts." Yet, when there was an apparent struggle for the gun, of which I think the person on top would have more power and control with being on top, GZ was easily able to overpower TM and shoot him.

I don't know if GZ ever overpowered TM. He did have the advantage of knowing exactly where the gun was that TM didn't. Even with that scenario you described, as long as TM actually was going for the gun, then GZ was justified in shooting him.

I honestly still don't know what happened. This witness seems to be the first prosecution witness that hasn't been more helpful to the defense than the state.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Why? Are you saying the only one that should be calling anything in is the one on "call", C'mon, I can understand people's opinion that GZ is guilty , but to suggest that someone shouldn't be concerned if they saw something suspicious is silly.

Some people can get a little over zealous about things. He could have stayed in the vehicle and just kept observing.

 

[moon]

Why? Are you saying the only one that should be calling anything in is the one on "call", C'mon, I can understand people's opinion that GZ is guilty , but to suggest that someone shouldn't be concerned if they saw something suspicious is silly.

Did you read what I wrote? Where did I say he shouldn't be concerned?

But he should ha e left it alone after calling the police. After all, no crime was being committed

 

[Robbi]

If he wasn't on patrol he then should have minded his own business, call whoever was on patrol, or leave it alone after calling the police

At our Neighborhood Watch meeting, we were told that we are all always on duty.

 

[Elinor Dashwood]

This medical examiner is being so obtuse. Her answers are very careful and guarded. She seems reluctant to say anything. Originally she sounded as if she was trying to lead the jury into thinking he'd only been struck on the concrete once. O'Mara is having a heck of a time getting her to admit anything.

 

[Jabber_Jaws]

This witness seems to be the first prosecution witness that hasn't been more helpful to the defense than the state.

I 100% agree with this. Only thing I have an issue with is the fact she worked off of pictures, and reports. Nothing physical.

 

[joviroxx]

Did you read what I wrote? Where did I say he shouldn't be concerned?

But he should ha e left it alone after calling the police. After all, no crime was being committed

Gee, be nice and yes, I read what you wrote. You didn't mention the police but ok. I don't think they has an on patrol person. So he was a little over zealous ...

But you know, yeah, after this case and everything about it, I'm certain people will be minding their own business .

 

[TLSnell1981]

Did you read what I wrote? Where did I say he shouldn't be concerned?

But he should ha e left it alone after calling the police. After all, no crime was being committed

It's easy being a Mondy morning quarterback. If, GZ had known, a crime had not or would not be committed, no need to make the phone call. There'd be no need for a Neighborhood Watch either.

 

[joviroxx]

Some people can get a little over zealous about things. He could have stayed in the vehicle and just kept observing.

Yeah, there are a few overzealous on this thread

 

[Hoodie]

I 100% agree with this. Only thing I have an issue with is the fact she worked off of pictures, and reports. Nothing physical.

I really don't get the strategy. I'm trying to reserve my judgment until the state concludes their case at a minimum but I'm having a hard time following the logic in this.

 

[moon]

At our Neighborhood Watch meeting, we were told that we are all always on duty.

Then, if you are always on duty, you shouldn't carry a gun.

I thought that not carrying a gun was part part of the basic training for a neighborhood watch program

 

[chobie]

I didn't say that either. Making many assumptions and jumping to conclusions?

You said, I only feel this way for this one case? Why would you say that? You are willing to bet there are other cases, I've bemoaned the fact (see above). Nope, don't think, I've bemoaned other cases....
If, it didnt affect his breathing and/or he wasn't concerned for cosmetic reasons? I can understand, why he didnt follow up.

You said you don't them it's fair the victim's family are always allowed in the courtroom but not the defendant. The is the only right that victim's have that the defendant does not.

Are you