General Star Wars Discussion

[BrianL]

Nobody said to ignore the ST all together, but to base everything on it and ignore the more popular OT was stupid imho. Boomers and Genx have the most extra income right now, so you would be wise to give them what they want. Well only if you would like to maximize the money you make I guess.

The original plans for GE was to cover Prequel, OT, and ST stuff which would maximize appealing to the largest possible audience. This was a tactical error on Disney’s part, there is not doubt about it.

Yeah, but the ST is pretty much beholden and reverent to the OT anyway. To me, basing something of the sequels isn't that different than the OT. Even the Prequels have a more different vibe. I mena, they still ahd Chewie and the Falcon and stuff.

 

[Kit Jackson]

I think part of the disappointment was that people wanted character meet and greets with the Original Trilogy characters. People wanted the ability to interact with or at least see the characters they knew and loved, and instead it was all new characters people barely knew.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

You are 100% correct. Rey and Kylo will never in a million years match Luke, Leia, Han, and Vader.

 

[Suger Mag]

nope. I actually do not want to see someone who is not Mark Hamill or Harrison Ford, I as an adult have zero interest in a meet and greet with kinda look alike actors in a bad wig (sigh all the male actors have bad wigs... have you seen poor Sky Lord?) I go see Chewbacca every trip and Darth Vader every trip and they are great meet and greets.

I think part of the disappointment was that people wanted character meet and greets with the Original Trilogy characters. People wanted the ability to interact with or at least see the characters they knew and loved, and instead it was all new characters people barely knew.

there are reasons that SOLO did not do well and it was not because of a bad story.... one of those was because there are some people who should not be recast.... even young.

I know the 'older fans" like to think we own Star Wars... but there is a new generation of fans who are feeding off the newer movies. Characters that you like may not be the ones that a younger fan would like. I know my teen daughter identified with the Rey- Kylo love story much more than the Han and Leia story. There is room in the Star Wars universe for all of us, just the oldies need to remember to share

 

[nancipants]

What they need to do is just bring back Star Wars Weekends.

 

[BrianL]

What they need to do is just bring back Star Wars Weekends.

Now that I would like! There was no reason to stop that just because GE was open.

 

[nancipants]

Now that I would like! There was no reason to stop that just because GE was open.

I understand why they cancelled SWW while all the construction was going on in the park. But now there's no reason not to do it, especially since Disneyland has Season of the Force and the Star Wars Nites! They don't even need to have the celebrities or stage shows anymore, just have character meet and greets, the motorcade (use the locals legions again!), special food and drink options, a projection show, and merch! All the merch!

 

[BrianL]

I understand why they cancelled SWW while all the construction was going on in the park. But now there's no reason not to do it, especially since Disneyland has Season of the Force and the Star Wars Nites! They don't even need to have the celebrities or stage shows anymore, just have character meet and greets, the motorcade (use the locals legions again!), special food and drink options, a projection show, and merch! All the merch!

Season of the Force is cool - just do that over at HS! It would be great.

 

[Suger Mag]

Season of the Force is cool - just do that over at HS! It would be great.

I hope to do it next April, and maybe a Star Wars night. Planning trip to DL for next spring.... only been there once. The swag this year looks so fun, I love that Death Star popcorn bucket and Mythosaur tiki mug....

 

[BrianL]

I hope to do it next April, and maybe a Star Wars night. Planning trip to DL for next spring.... only been there once. The swag this year looks so fun, I love that Death Star popcorn bucket and Mythosaur tiki mug....

That tiki mug is AWESOME. I want one. I wish they had it at WDW, since I will be there in 3 days....!

 

[irlandaise]

nope. I actually do not want to see someone who is not Mark Hamill or Harrison Ford, I as an adult have zero interest in a meet and greet with kinda look alike actors in a bad wig (sigh all the male actors have bad wigs... have you seen poor Sky Lord?) I go see Chewbacca every trip and Darth Vader every trip and they are great meet and greets.

I agree, Suger Mag. Luke, Leia, and Han are too iconic. I can accept someone other than Daisy Ridley as Rey, and of course Chewie, Vader, and Kylo aren't an issue because you can't see who's inside the costumes. But to see other actors playing the three main characters of the OT would be disorienting.

 

[Gabby01]

I agree, Suger Mag. Luke, Leia, and Han are too iconic. I can accept someone other than Daisy Ridley as Rey, and of course Chewie, Vader, and Kylo aren't an issue because you can't see who's inside the costumes. But to see other actors playing the three main characters of the OT would be disorienting.

I think there's also the question of, is the character recognizable just by their costume/hair, because with a different actor their face will be different. In the case of Leia and Rey, I think they have unique enough costumes and hairstyles that you definitely know it's supposed to be them. But Luke and Han have more generic costumes and hairstyles (by Star Wars standards, at least--and it doesn't help that they've riffed off those costumes to create new characters since then). So with a different face you might not really be sure if it's supposed to be them or not.

This might also be why they had Kylo wear his helmet in Galaxy's Edge, even though that technically breaks the timeline (between TLJ and TROS, he doesn't have a helmet because he broke it and hasn't reforged it yet). With the helmet, he's instantly recognizable; without it, and played by a different actor, he could be any dude in a black cape.

I suppose this is only a problem if the characters are just wandering around the park, though. If there's a line to meet them then you know who they are.

 

[Kit Jackson]

I know the 'older fans" like to think we own Star Wars... but there is a new generation of fans who are feeding off the newer movies. Characters that you like may not be the ones that a younger fan would like. I know my teen daughter identified with the Rey- Kylo love story much more than the Han and Leia story. There is room in the Star Wars universe for all of us, just the oldies need to remember to share

I didn't mean that it should have been Original Trilogy or nothing. I understand there are people who love the prequel trilogy. There are people, especially younger fans who love the sequel trilogy. People can absolutely love/be fans of whichever Star Wars trilogy and/or TV series they want. It's a big galaxy covering a large timespan. From the start, Disney should have catered to a much wider range of fans instead of just the sequel fans.

The reason I posted the link to the fan created map was to demonstrate it was possible to have different sections linked to different time periods.

 

[irlandaise]

This might also be why they had Kylo wear his helmet in Galaxy's Edge, even though that technically breaks the timeline (between TLJ and TROS, he doesn't have a helmet because he broke it and hasn't reforged it yet).

I'm trying to decide whether the level of detail you know about this is impressive or frightening.

I suppose this is only a problem if the characters are just wandering around the park, though. If there's a line to meet them then you know who they are.

So far, all the characters I've seen at GE have been walking around. I hope it stays that way.

 

[Gabby01]

I'm trying to decide whether the level of detail you know about this is impressive or frightening.

I actually had this pointed out to me by another fan. I was like, "well, what do you know, you're right!"

 

[Gabby01]

I didn't mean that it should have been Original Trilogy or nothing. I understand there are people who love the prequel trilogy. There are people, especially younger fans who love the sequel trilogy. People can absolutely love/be fans of whichever Star Wars trilogy and/or TV series they want. It's a big galaxy covering a large timespan. From the start, Disney should have catered to a much wider range of fans instead of just the sequel fans.

The reason I posted the link to the fan created map was to demonstrate it was possible to have different sections linked to different time periods.

The thing is, I feel like it's the OT-only fans who are being the most divisive about this. I've never heard someone who favors the prequels complain that they can't meet Anakin and Padme in Galaxy's Edge. (Honestly, if anyone got the short end of the stick, they did--as BrianL points out, the OT and ST share an aesthetic that the prequels don't.)

And I wouldn't even mind polite comments, but it gets really nasty and derogatory towards the ST and its fans. Scroll back a few pages.

Even that map--you'd have to study it for a while to realize that it's not all OT lands, because that's mostly what it is. An attempt to relegate everything that came after the OT to a lesser place.

I don't even think Galaxy's Edge was conceived as "sequels-only." The only things in the land that are specific to the sequels are Rise of the Resistance, Rey, and Kylo. That's it!

As you yourself pointed out, when the imagineers chose what to include in Galaxy's Edge, they considered what would be the most iconic, classic Star Wars. That's probably why we have Oga's Cantina (which I love, BTW). There are no particularly iconic cantinas in the ST. The one on Takodana is itself an homage to the OT.

What I'm hearing from OT-only fans is that they want Disney to ignore its own trilogy and focus on the OT, design their parks in a very specific way (outlined by people who have never even worked in the theme park industry and don't know that what they're asking for is unrealistic), and they're going to be toxic online until their demands are met. I'm frankly sick of the entitlement and childish behavior.

 

[mdmost]

Yeah prequel kids used to have Darth Maul at the Jedi Temple training to spare against. Do they even still do that show? Now, I guess they have a few scenes in Star Tours that always seem to jump timelines in between getting your mission briefing. Naboo, the Asteroid scene with Jango Fett, and Coruscant? You at least get the fake Ewok village at Star Tours in Orlando.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

No one is saying ignore the divisive Disney ST, just respect George’s legacy is all I am asking. It’s that simple. I love SW like really really love it and grew up playing with the OT toys.

The Disney stuff other than Mando 1&2 and Rogue 1 just stinks. What Disney did with GE would literally be the equivalent of Universal only doing stuff from Fantastic Beasts, Crimes of Grindewald, and The Secrets of Dumbledore. Ludicrous right?

40 years from now no one will talk about or much less watch the ST. The OT on the other hand will still be seen often and be beloved classics.

 

[BrianL]

Yeah prequel kids used to have Darth Maul at the Jedi Temple training to spare against. Do they even still do that show? Now, I guess they have a few scenes in Star Tours that always seem to jump timelines in between getting your mission briefing. Naboo, the Asteroid scene with Jango Fett, and Coruscant? You at least get the fake Ewok village at Star Tours in Orlando.

They do not still do the Jedi Training show. The prequels do always get the short straw!

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

The prequels are aging like wine, while the Disney ST is aging like milk.