Future resorts

[Cfabar1]

I wouldn't mind seeing some DVC options at the foreign Disney parks. But that gets into international real estate and legal issues. Oh wells.

As I understand it Marriott operates a Timeshare on or around Euro Disney — it seems to me if they can do it, Disney should be able to as well.

 

[Nursemanit]

Disney has real issues running hotel style timeshares vs Marriott or Hilton- They would not be competitive in any environment in the continental US. Potentially a Disney Alaska resort with a strong DCL package would be successful as I think it is a missed opportunity that they don't offer Aulani /DCL Hawaii packages.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

As I understand it Marriott operates a Timeshare on or around Euro Disney — it seems to me if they can do it, Disney should be able to as well.

Marriott has stronger legal presence worldwide. The scope and experience are not comparable.

Most of Disney's foreign locations are licenses. They do own DLP outright but only because they bought it out in about 2016 or so, and part of the reason why was the license company having financial issues that were damaging the brand. Disney has been very cautious about exposure legally in foreign markets.

 

[Brian Noble]

How about a "Frozen" themed Disney resort in a Ski destination?

What do you do the other eight months of the year?

Ski resorts have done a lot to try to make summer more appealing, but it’s not the same and it still leaves spring and fall, aka “mud season”.

 

[TimbertopNJ]

I'd personally like to see something around Tampa that gives Disney a Florida West Coast presence. I'm not sure how DVD feels about their future in Hilton Head and Vero. If I'm a local, the more DVC options in Florida, the better.

Maybe this is the wrong assumption, but I think it says something that HHI and VB resorts sold out, while Aulani continues to sell 10+ years later.

 

[J-Dog]

I don't disagree with you there. But building a new resort with very little market potential might not be a good business move. If adults want to get away from their kids to go off to Vegas, why would they go to a Disney resort when there are hundreds of other, better "adult" options. DVC's biggest advantage is being in the Disney bubble. In a place like Vegas, it would die. But that's just my opinion.

The OP started this thread by offering his/her ideas of an ideal off-site DVC resort. Vegas is mine, although I agree that it probably would never happen.

 

[RoseGold]

DVC sold off the far-flung CO and NYC property decades ago.

I thought they would buy a FL beach resort during Covid to dilute the points, I still think they might do that when the FL politics calm down. Heck, they might have already done this and are sitting on it. DVC is not great at running this (example: Vero) but they might not care about that long run, when they can just put ridiculously high dues on owners (example: Vero).

CA took decades to get approved, and there are a whole lot of politics tied up in that whole mess. If that happens, it will be a loooong time away.

Logistically, Vegas makes sense to me. Lots of timeshares and timeshare-friendly goverenment. But I can't picture Disney doing it, because of the association with general Vegas things, and Vegas has its own politics they might not want to enter.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Heck, they might have already done this and are sitting on it.

They couldn't hide it. Public company reporting, etc. etc. They cannot just buy real estate and not have it show in their quarterlies.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

What do you do the other eight months of the year?

Ski resorts have done a lot to try to make summer more appealing, but it’s not the same and it still leaves spring and fall, aka “mud season”.

Hang out with Olaf! I hear he loves summer.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

The OP started this thread by offering his/her ideas of an ideal off-site DVC resort. Vegas is mine, although I agree that it probably would never happen.

Vegas seems logical. But the very adult nature of Vegas seems contrary to everything Disney stands for IMO. It doesn’t hurt to speculate though.

 

[Brian Noble]

One problem with Vegas, as someone touched on upthread, is that it is already chock-a-block with high quality hotels/resorts that are not particularly expensive.

According to Interval, the most in-demand weeks (except for NYE) include mid/late October. The cash rate for a week-long stay at the Marriott timeshare there--by all accounts a very nice place--is $400/$500/$600 a night for a studio, 1BR, and 2BR respectively. A timeshare will have to undercut that by something like 20%, minimum. I don't think the economics of DVC work at those prices, compared to what they can do in Anaheim and Orlando (and, for that matter, Oahu).

And the other problem, again as mentioned, is that it is Vegas. This is a company that refuses to put a casino in its crusie ships. That's probably not because casinos are an unprofitable use of space in a ship.

 

[dclpluto]

If we're telling DVD where to build the next resort, I'm going to say Vegas. Disney currently has no presence there, so it may interest some buyers. And they could even go with only studios just for parents to get away from their kids.

Only studios sounds like a terrible idea. One reason I have never stayed at Polynesian. Only studios or points way too high for the bungalows

 

[J-Dog]

Only studios sounds like a terrible idea. One reason I have never stayed at Polynesian. Only studios or points way too high for the bungalows

The comment about only having studios was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, about parents wanting to get away from their kids. I'm well-aware of the limitations at Poly. It wasn't meant to be serious. Sorry that didn't come across that way.

 

[Simba's Mom]

The comment about only having studios was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, about parents wanting to get away from their kids. I'm well-aware of the limitations at Poly. It wasn't meant to be serious. Sorry that didn't come across that way.

No problem. What seemed odd to me was when the Las Vegas Tourism Board tried to market Las Vegas as a "family" town.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

No problem. What seemed odd to me was when the Las Vegas Tourism Board tried to market Las Vegas as a "family" town.

I remember that in the late 80’s and 90’s. My parents would give me buckets of quarters to play arcade games. It was glorious!

 

[zumfelde]

HHI stays booked year round since pandemic and is only 100 rooms.

Not sure about VB.

Yes I don't understand why everyone thinks DVC wants to sell HHI. We talked to a business owner at shelter cove one year and he said they love the Disney resort there it has the highest year-round occupancy of any resort on the island.

 

[tjkraz]

I'm surprised Disney never got into the Great Wolf Lodge-type destination resort business. Indoor waterpark, some sort of scaled-down interactive ride in the vein of Buzz or Web Slingers, maybe revive some of the DisneyQuest tech, character meals, etc. Personally I don't think it would cannibalize theme park business, maybe even serve as a gateway to WDW/DL for some.

I thought they might go this direction with the National Harbor property in DC. Include a modest DVC presence. I think the response to an off-site DVC would be much better if it was a true Disney destination and not just a Disney-branded hotel room. Some Kalahari resorts have an ownership component, though I have no idea how successful they are.

 

[CraigInPA]

They couldn't hide it. Public company reporting, etc. etc. They cannot just buy real estate and not have it show in their quarterlies.

Actually, unless that property is so expensive as to be materially relevant (more than a few percent of Disney's total revenue or cash position, which at this time means a billion dollars of more), they can hide it under a miscellaneous property holdings category on the 10-K, 10-Q, and annual report statements. Remember that Disney had several subsidiary companies buy up land in Florida ahead of WDW. They reported these land purchases for several years as non-core real estate assets.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Actually, unless that property is so expensive as to be materially relevant (more than a few percent of Disney's total revenue or cash position, which at this time means a billion dollars of more), they can hide it under a miscellaneous property holdings category on the 10-K, 10-Q, and annual report statements. Remember that Disney had several subsidiary companies buy up land in Florida ahead of WDW. They reported these land purchases for several years as non-core real estate assets.

Fair observation, but if a property closed to a Disney shell company someone would likely report it or release the info.

 

[hhisc16]

Yes I don't understand why everyone thinks DVC wants to sell HHI. We talked to a business owner at shelter cove one year and he said they love the Disney resort there it has the highest year-round occupancy of any resort on the island.

I think DHHIR is very self sufficient and I heard has the highest ratings from survey results of any DVC resort.
Even though it is a small resort, it will be interesting to see how Disney handles 2042.
Disney owns their island and the Beach House land.