Fun while using FP+ - Fun Because of FP+ ... an Important distinction

[dfb]

Oh awesome, glad the system is working for you

Well...Actually looking at what you did you didn't have fun because of FP+, you had fun inspite of it.

I don't understand the OP's logic...


Sorry couldn't resist!!


I do not really understand when folks make comments like:

...I could never ride TSMM until FP+

...I could never ride BTMRR in the dark befroe FP+

Been to Disney many times it wasn't that difficult!!

Also if you are at Disney now... why are you posting on this site now??? Go have fun!!!

 

[FLchick415]

Yeah, I get that. I just think that it is nuts that each side works so hard to invalidate the other. That seems to me to be the entire point of this thread - to invalidate posts from people who found FP+ to be a positive in their vacations. Why not just be happy for folks who managed to have a great time using FP+? Even if someone else would have had a horrible time under the exact same conditions, it does not change the fact that the person posting the positive experience had a great time. Even if this doesn't work for everyone, it clearly works for some people.

If there is an enemy to be found in this, that enemy is not posting on the Dis. That is, unless folks see anyone who disagrees with their point of view as the enemy.

 

[Sparkly]

I'm just heavily sick of the endless debates that go nowhere and just end up a giant mess.

Let's all just agree to disagree!

 

[Kate and Family]

Oh awesome, glad the system is working for you

Well...Actually looking at what you did you didn't have fun because of FP+, you had fun inspite of it.

I don't understand the OP's logic...


Sorry couldn't resist!!


I do not really understand when folks make comments like:

...I could never ride TSMM until FP+

...I could never ride BTMRR in the dark befroe FP+

Been to Disney many times it wasn't that difficult!!

Also if you are at Disney now... why are you posting on this site now??? Go have fun!!!

Not everyone can choose when and how often they come to Disney. For some running from FP machine to FP machine is VERY difficult.

 

[morethananyonex]

I'm just heavily sick of the endless debates that go nowhere and just end up a giant mess.

Let's all just agree to disagree!

Nobody is forcing you to read them.

 

[HM]

We used FP+ for the first time in December. It worked well for us. On past trips we did get more than 3 FP a day, so it was a bit worrisome that we'd not be able to do that.

We drove from NC, arriving at WDW around noon. On that first day we got to DHS at 1pm. It was great knowing that we could do ToT, RnR, and TSMM that day with minimal waits. In prior FP life, we'd have to wait in a 120 minute standby for TSMM most likely (or more likely to have skipped it) and might have been able to get a FP for RnR or ToT when we walked in. We were also able to do four other attractions and have a TS meal at Mama Melrose, and see Osborne Lights. That's that kind of day that FP+ works great for!

We also found that since we get up early anyway, we still got to the parks just after the parks opened and had short waits like always during those first hours, but we didn't run around getting FP for anything, instead we just got in line for the attractions we wanted to do. Most of the time our FP were for afternoon ride times. By then, we did need them and they were most appreciated.

I'd say that our trip worked well with them and would have worked well without them. I feel like we had a couple days where the FP+ made our days better than they would have been and a couple days where its iffy about whether it was better or not.

 

[morethananyonex]

We used FP+ for the first time in December. It worked well for us. On past trips we did get more than 3 FP a day, so it was a bit worrisome that we'd not be able to do that.

We drove from NC, arriving at WDW around noon. On that first day we got to DHS at 1pm. It was great knowing that we could do ToT, RnR, and TSMM that day with minimal waits. In prior FP life, we'd have to wait in a 120 minute standby for TSMM most likely (or more likely to have skipped it) and might have been able to get a FP for RnR or ToT when we walked in. We were also able to do four other attractions and have a TS meal at Mama Melrose, and see Osborne Lights. That's that kind of day that FP+ works great for!

We also found that since we get up early anyway, we still got to the parks just after the parks opened and had short waits like always during those first hours, but we didn't run around getting FP for anything, instead we just got in line for the attractions we wanted to do. Most of the time our FP were for afternoon ride times. By then, we did need them and they were most appreciated.

I'd say that our trip worked well with them and would have worked well without them. I feel like we had a couple days where the FP+ made our days better than they would have been and a couple days where its iffy about whether it was better or not.

Sounds like you got in before the tiering happened, at least at DHS. Lucky you

DHS and Epcot would be a breeze without the tiers. A truly relaxing park day where you get to do everything.

 

[JimmyV]

On that first day we got to DHS at 1pm. It was great knowing that we could do ToT, RnR, and TSMM that day with minimal waits.

I'm sure the angst and debates would scale way back if this were possible. But sadly, it is not.

 

[dfb]

Not everyone can choose when and how often they come to Disney. For some running from FP machine to FP machine is VERY difficult.

I am fortunate to have gone several times, over the years, (I'm an old guy) I just never found it that difficult to do. I've been during spring break, summer, Christmas and also moderate and low crowd times as well. If TSMM or any ride was that important I would make sure I rode whatever. I'm not a rope drop sprinter or run from FP machine to another. I do go early, I did utilize FP- effectively but not crazylike.

I'm glad folks can ride whatever rides they want with FP+ I just don't think it was necessary.

 

[HM]

I'm sure the angst and debates would scale way back if this were possible. But sadly, it is not.

We usually do DHS on two days anyway, so we'd just split up the FP for those three between those two days and do standby on the one we can't get.

It's not like we could always get a FP- for all three at good times prior to FP+ either. We almost always end up in Standby for ToT, since it's usually shorter than RnR.

 

[magicbob]

Not sure that the two are mutually exclusive. We found the we can ride fewer rides and still have just as good a time as when we did more rides. And we discovered this because of FP+.

This sounds a litte bit like the reports we got a while back of politicians extolling the virtues of "funemployment." Not having a job is so liberating and allows you to spend more time with your family that you never would have. And you can learn to play the guitar or write that great American novel you've just been waiting to get on paper. As I recall, a poster on another thread said something to the extent that FP+ was great because it forced everyone to slow down and smell the roses. I like slowing down and smelling the roses, but I don't like that being the only option.

 

[MrInfinity]

Someone posts that they "had a great time because of FP+" or "Had a great time LOVE FP+"

Then people come in and say things like, "Oh awesome, glad the system worked well for you" etc etc ...

Then some more people come in and say "well, actually looking at what you did, you didn't have fun because of FP+, you had fun in spite of it"

And then more people come in and complain about the people pointing out the errors in the OP's logic, and why can't they just admit some people love FP+ etc etc ...

Causation is important.

This whole concept of causation is irrelevant in the context of the fun had at Disney World. Most guests will never consider it like that. Only someone analyzing it will.

Most ppl do not care. They go to the park, they use FP+, they have fun with it, and they have fun for the rest of their rides too.

Then some more people come in and say "well, actually looking at what you did, you didn't have fun because of FP+, you had fun in spite of it"

A more accurate summary would be "We had fun at Disney World. Yes, we utilized FP+, which saved us some time and enabled us to have even more fun".

 

[OtherScott]

causation -v- correlation is probably not best applied to individuals and groups when you haven't taken the time to measure their motivations and susceptibility to incentive...

you know, the kind of stuff you do before you sign off on a $1.5 billion project

 

[BuckeyeBama]

This sounds a litte bit like the reports we got a while back of politicians extolling the virtues of "funemployment." Not having a job is so liberating and allows you to spend more time with your family that you never would have. And you can learn to play the guitar or write that great American novel you've just been waiting to get on paper. As I recall, a poster on another thread said something to the extent that FP+ was great because it forced everyone to slow down and smell the roses. I like slowing down and smelling the roses, but I don't like that being the only option.

Really? You want to bring politics into this discussion? It isn't ugly enough already?

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

I guess I don't understand why anyone feels they can accurately assess someone else's experience.

We can debate the theory and application of FP+ until we are blue in the face. That is a valid and worthwhile debate. But to debate the validity of someone's experience is just bizarre to me - it is THEIR experience....how exactly can anyone else assess it?

There has been a lot of back and forth about FP+....is it making WDW vacations worse for some? Absolutely. So why then, is it so hard to believe it is making it better for other families?

 

[morethananyonex]

I guess I don't understand why anyone feels they can accurately assess someone else's experience. We can debate the theory and application of FP+ until we are blue in the face. That is a valid and worthwhile debate. But to debate the validity of someone's experience is just bizarre to me - it is THEIR experience....how exactly can anyone else assess it? There has been a lot of back and forth about FP+....is it making WDW vacations worse for some? Absolutely. So why then, is it so hard to believe it is making it better for other families?

So if someone says FP+ ruined their trip because their resort room wasn't cleaned properly, they had a rude server at dinner, and all they rode was their FP rides when they entered at 2 PM and left at 5, then nobody would debate the validity of their "FP+ sucks and ruined my trip" statement, right? I mean, how can anyone else assess their experience?

 

[JimmyV]

We usually do DHS on two days anyway, so we'd just split up the FP for those three between those two days and do standby on the one we can't get.

This is exactly what Disney wants people to do. (And it is the most effective counter-measure to FP+ besides RD). Which is why I maintain that FP+ is not rocket science, not a study in behavioral science and not chess. It is a "throttle governor" that forces people to slow down and use more of their seven or eight days of vacation at WDW and fewer (if any) at US or Sea World.

 

[paxsarah]

In January, I had fun because of FP+. I ran the WDW marathon on Sunday morning. Although I am a die-hard rope dropper, it was impossible for me to rope drop that day because I was in the middle of running 26.2 miles. So I was delighted when I was able to walk into MK in the early afternoon and straight onto Peter Pan's Flight with FP+. Later that afternoon, we were also able to ride Space Mountain and BTMRR with our remaining FP+, and filled in the time in between with "anytime" rides. We enjoyed dinner at BoG and finished up with Wishes and a few rides during EMH. Under FP-, I was the fastpass runner in my family but dude, I just ran 26 miles and that would not have been happening that day. That day was way better under FP+ than it would have been under FP-.

 

[OtherScott]

This is exactly what Disney wants people to do. (And it is the most effective counter-measure to FP+ besides RD).

Interesting concept, isn't it? Pretty pointless, though, if it doesn't match what the people want to do.

Which is why I maintain that FP+ is not rocket science, not a study in behavioral science and not chess. It is a "throttle governor" that forces people to slow down and use more of their seven or eight days of vacation at WDW and fewer (if any) at US or Sea World.

Forcing people to choose between things of value...another interesting concept. Of course, you better hope* they value you more than the alternative.



* or you could study the matter, but where's the fun in that?

 

[jade1]

In fact I think Spring break, the 8, 9, and 10 days of summer and Christmas are the times FP+ will work the best.

Agree 100%, and that's when we visit.