Frommer article full of WDW misinformation

[The Big Daddy]

"The Big Daddy", it's become quite clear that you're adamantly against any form of accountability and against well seasoned travelers from trying to help provide the correct information so that other travelers actually know the facts...and it's become quite clear that you have no interest in listening to any form of reason. You've made up your mind that apparently her words are "good advice" in spite of much of it being downright wrong, so there's no point in continuing to argue with you. I will say, though, that if you think that a hot dog price was the only thing she got wrong, you're obviously not well aware of WDW yourself.

Reason? Apparently you aren't aware of WDW if you think you can stay onsite more cheaply than offsite, given the same level of accomodations.

As for me, I'll happily continue this discussion without feeding the troll. I suggest others do the same since it's plainly obvious he is more interested in controversy and debate (and not just in this thread, but others as well) then he is actually discussing things.

Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean we aren't discussing things. I'm not the person throwing out wild accusations like "criminally negligent" or blowing my stack over a $2.50 difference in the price of a hot dog as opposed to a hot dog combo.

Regarding my post in another thread, I seem to see many of YOUR posts, in this thread and others, that are very judgemental. I leave the absolutes of right and wrong to a higher power than myself. Might I make a suggestion that you do the same.

If you want to live someplace where the minority have no voice and the only discussion had is among people who only share your narrow views then I'm sure there's plenty of room in ex-communist Russia.

 

[mking624]

Actually, that offsite hotdog will cost more then the onsite one. After paying for the rental car, gas and the parking at the parks.

I am sorry that all we want is for accurate information to be printed. I am sorry that you dont care about the details but some do. If you were to really crunch the numbers, staying offsite could possible cost you more then onsite in some cases. If she had done her research, she would know that.

I agree, there have been times we have been able to stay onsite for cheaper than offsite. But apparently I know nothing. Apparently my wanting people to have correct WDW info so they can make an informed decision is just so narrow minded of me and is deserving of me being sent to Russia. Ah, I needed a good laugh today!!

 

[grimley1968]

Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean we aren't discussing things. I'm not the person throwing out wild accusations like "criminally negligent" or blowing my stack over a $2.50 difference in the price of a hot dog as opposed to a hot dog combo.

Regarding my post in another thread, I seem to see many of YOUR posts, in this thread and others, that are very judgemental. I leave the absolutes of right and wrong to a higher power than myself. Might I make a suggestion that you do the same.

Judgmental?

People have been picking apart a supposedly "professional" travel writer/magazine owner's factual inaccuracies and unfounded conclusions based on those facts. No one has "blown their stack" over a difference in hot dog price alone, when there are factual wrongs galore in that article.

Usually when someone accuses another of being judgmental, it's been my experience that the accuser is usually the one truly being judgmental. From reading all these previous posts, I see nothing to change this trend.

If you want to live someplace where the minority have no voice and the only discussion had is among people who only share your narrow views then I'm sure there's plenty of room in ex-communist Russia.

Stop it! You're killing me with this stuff. That's one of the most hyperbolic things I think I've ever read on this site, and I've seen a lot of hyperbole.

I think the person who has the most narrow views in this case would be Pauline Frommer herself. People with narrow worldviews tend to make up facts, or badly distort facts, to support their views, and that is exactly what she did in this article.

 

[nick262]

I agree, there have been times we have been able to stay onsite for cheaper than offsite. But apparently I know nothing. Apparently my wanting people to have correct WDW info so they can make an informed decision is just so narrow minded of me and is deserving of me being sent to Russia. Ah, I needed a good laugh today!!

I guess you and I will be moving there together. I'll spring for the vodka if you get the tonic.

 

[grimley1968]

I guess you and I will be moving there together. I'll spring for the vodka if you get the tonic.

One thing in it's favor: it's probably cheaper than going to WDW.

There, I just made a completely uninformed comment about a place I've never been close to, just like that Frommer's article!

I bet hot dogs there are dirt cheap, too. Is Portillo's expanding to ex-Communist Russia soon? Oh wait, no, I looked at the website and it's expanding to California, not Russia.

 

[nick262]

One thing in it's favor: it's probably cheaper than going to WDW.

There, I just made a completely uninformed comment about a place I've never been close to, just like that Frommer's article!

I bet hot dogs there are dirt cheap, too. Is Portillo's expanding to ex-Communist Russia soon? Oh wait, no, I looked at the website and it's expanding to California, not Russia.

Hot dogs are most likely cheaper, but you have to stand in line for 3 days (is that uninformed enough for you?).... or have they installed fastpass?

 

[ntsammy5]

Meh, let the mis-info flow, crowds are rising enough as is.

Good point!

 

[Stinky_Pete]

 

[The Big Daddy]

Usually when someone accuses another of being judgmental, it's been my experience that the accuser is usually the one truly being judgmental. From reading all these previous posts, I see nothing to change this trend.

Sorry but I wasn't the person that accused another of refusing to participate in a "discussion". I also wasn't the person who said they had a "run-in" with me in another thread. I thought that's what we were doing...having a discussion. Not feed the troll? That's something my 5 year old niece would do. Ignore me because they don't like what I have to say. I still stand by the fact that some of you are too close to the topic of Disneyworld to be objective on criticism of anything Disney.

So there's no Portillo's in Florida? Really? Wow good for them!

 

[Mkrop]

That's not a very Disney attitude. Thank goodness most employers don't take the same hardline attitude that you do or everyone in America would be unemployed because of the human errors we make.

What exactly is a Disney attitude?

 

[jdb0822]

the 1st question in the article had me laughing.. .....

"I want to plan a trip to Disney World sometime next year. I've heard that it's expensive, and I really want to give my children the whole experience. It would be awesome to stay at Cinderella's Castle, but something similar would work too...."

Stay at the castle or similar. Wow, thats a new one for me.. !!!!

 

[Mkrop]

the 1st question in the article had me laughing.. .....

"I want to plan a trip to Disney World sometime next year. I've heard that it's expensive, and I really want to give my children the whole experience. It would be awesome to stay at Cinderella's Castle, but something similar would work too...."
Stay at the castle or similar. Wow, thats a new one for me.. !!!!

Yeah the Rodeway Inn and the Castle are really just the same, dontcha think

 

[grimley1968]

Stay at the castle or similar. Wow, thats a new one for me.. !!!!

Well, we all know the Grand Floridian "motel" offers similar accommodations.

Ok, so you're not staying IN the castle, but you might be able to see it.

I was hoping when we drive down I-75 in October that we could find a good "motel" like they have near Magic Kingdom. We went ahead booked a Fairfield Inn in Tifton, GA. But I was really hoping for a "motel" with a monorail next to it and boat access to the nearest theme park. Where can I find that? Anyone know?

 

[aplejax76]

Unfounded with no accurate facts? Is it inaccurate that it's cheaper to room and eat offsite than on? If you read her follow-up she stated the $1,600 has to cover airfare. So leaving them $800 after airfare where would you have them stay and eat for a week? Maybe they could sleep behind a dumpster and eat park leftovers as the remaining $800 might be needed to buy park tickets.

I recieved an email back from Msn travel. When I read Mrs. Frommer's part of the email, she said that she had to include the airfare in the $1600 budget.

I never read it that way. I went back and reread the article. Yet again Mrs. Frommer is WRONG!!!!. That was not what the questioner was asking. Her email was ridiculous.

 

[Helpmate]

Well, we all know the Grand Floridian "motel" offers similar accommodations.

Ok, so you're not staying IN the castle, but you might be able to see it.

I was hoping when we drive down I-75 in October that we could find a good "motel" like they have near Magic Kingdom. We went ahead booked a Fairfield Inn in Tifton, GA. But I was really hoping for a "motel" with a monorail next to it and boat access to the nearest theme park. Where can I find that? Anyone know?

Very very funny! And yet slightly frightening to have such power with so little truth.

It's such a shame that misinformation can actually cause some to rule out WDW as an affordable option. It does cost, but there are many price ranges to choose from depending on what a person can live with or without. Obviouslly, the poor woman who wrote this book has never allowed herself to truly experience the wonder involved in a real WDW vacation. I hope that was spoken like a true DW.

 

[PrincessTiffany]

I recieved an email back from Msn travel. When I read Mrs. Frommer's part of the email, she said that she had to include the airfare in the $1600 budget.

I never read it that way. I went back and reread the article. Yet again Mrs. Frommer is WRONG!!!!. That was not what the questioner was asking. Her email was ridiculous.

I also just received my email response from MSN. Pauline Frommer is clearly clueless.

 

[pednurse]

Another tidbit of misinformation from the Frommers....also on msn travel....excerpted from the Frommer's Walt Disney World & Orlando with kids book.....is a list entitled Familyisney World's Top 10. It's not Disney World & Orlando's Top 10, just Disney World's Top 10. There are 3 subdivisions, based on ages, each with the "top 10" rides/attractions, supposedly from Disney World. Yet again Frommer shows blatant misinformation with a total of 14 rides/attractions that will be found no where in Disney World (instead they are from places such as US and SW). Yet according to the title, you can find them at WDW. Go figure!
http://travel.msn.com/Guides/article.aspx?cp-documentid=345359

 

[Brian_WDW74]

Another tidbit of misinformation from the Frommers....also on msn travel....excerpted from the Frommer's Walt Disney World & Orlando with kids book.....is a list entitled Familyisney World's Top 10. It's not Disney World & Orlando's Top 10, just Disney World's Top 10.

To be fair on this one: It's the people at MSN that mistitled this excerpt, not Frommer's. The book itself is clearly titled Frommer’s Walt Disney World & Orlando with Kids. Despite Pauline's shoddy journalism in the original article, we can't blame her for this one.

 

[kgilchri]

Wow, that was pretty bad. From the rate for the value resort (we got $81/night for Pop, not the $89 she suggested was the lowest rate) to the recommendation of staying at the Rodeway Inn on I-Drive. I'm sorry, but anyone who suggests I-Drive is less stressful and just as nice as a WDW property is a bit dillusional. It makes me sad b/c that article really could turn away families who think they simply can't afford WDW. Such a shame...

 

[hoffman1]

I must admit I am coming in late on this thread. I have not read the full thread, but I did meet Ms. Frommer at a local book festival. (I posted about it here http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1430404 ) It was right before her Disney book came out. I was excited to meet her to see what kind of "expert" advice she might give me. I was greatly disappointed. The first thing she told me was to not stay on property. We love staying on property. Then she asked how long we were staying. I replied 10 days and she said something like "and you want to?" She was so snobby. Needless to say I did not buy her book and now have much diminished opinion of all the Frommers line.