FP + What we know and what we want to know

[mom2rtk]

Disney does everything from a profit standpoint and what is best for their bottom line, why can't people on this forum view their trips to WDW the same way? What is a net positive for Disney may not be a net positive for some guests.

VERY well put.

Wouldn't it be in the collective good for Disney to lower their prices so more people in lower income brackets could afford a trip to the parks? It would be in the greater good. Why wouldn't Disney want to do that so more people could experience their attractions?

And you know this whole thing is about increasing park capacity while lowering costs.

I have believed this from the get go. Ride rationing, moving people aside so they can bring more bodies through the front gate.

 

[DVCJones]

1) I would hope for this every time.

2) This is why RD folks will jump on the ride first in the first hour IMO.

I should have added to that... I wouldn't want to find out it was under 20 minutes and that other attractions were 40+ minutes. Thus picking the "wrong" FP for that day. We like to pick FP according to the wait times. I would choose to wait stand by for anything shorter than 30 minutes and get a FP for longer waits.

Unless of course the new system creates a 30 min. or less wait for everything...

I would and do try to get as many attractions in the morning before lines get too long. That won't change. I imagine guests will reserve FP+ for after 12pm when lines get long.

 

[doggydoc]

Do you have any insight into the final rollout of the FP+ system that you would like to add?

Do you think that Disney could possibly tweak the system as they roll it out?

Could they back off at all what was previously announced?

Could what we know now change at all?

I would think it be more prudent to wait before exuding such confidence

Any of these things could be true, I REALLY hope so. I think many on here were taking a wait and see attitude at first until some began stating, with great confidence and intimation of inside knowledge, that this WILL be the way it will be. For myself I am still having a hard time accepting that Disney would change the system in such a way as to be so detrimental to the way many enjoy it now. My "doom and gloom" and complaints are my way of expressing my discontent if the changes occur in the manner described. It has also been my way of illustrating HOW they will be detrimental and how absurd I think they are. You continue to offer your opinions on why this would be a better system for the majority, are we supposed to just accept your assertions without refutation? You can always simply not follow the thread it bothers you that much.

We know Disney has people tracking these boards, why would they do that if the opinions expressed here were not valued? Might the arguments given here have an effect on whether the above eventualities occur? They certainly aren't going to change their minds if everyone just acts like sheep and accepts everything Disney as rosy and bright. I think it is very possible that things may change or not work out the way some have proposed, in fact I have high hopes they will.

 

[mousermerf]

IN BIG BOLD LETTERS!



We got it. This will be great for Disney. I think everybody has moved on from that point. Most of us on here are still trying to figure out how it will affect our upcoming very expensive vacations. You have shared a lot. Thanks.

Cant wait for next update.

The guests who are going to not benefit from this change are the minority. The majority of guests will benefit.

How is that not good for guests? Again, seeing past the end of one's own nose.. whatever happened to caring about other people?

 

[mom2rtk]

But you did Blanche, ya did.

Not every guest knew the FP tricks and that you had to be there at rope drop. How is leveling the playing field so that no one NEEDS inside info to enjoy the attraction some great evil?

LOL, nice try. Sorry, but nope. Didn't push a single person aside. I got in line, didn't cut, didn't climb under any barriers, didn't even run at rope drop. Didn't do a single thing anybody else couldn't do.

If you don't know that being at a theme park at opening is a good way to get on the rides you want to do, then you probably won't be able to figure out how to get on a computer and book FP+.



And I'd REALLY like for you to answer lugnut33's very pertinent question:

Disney does everything from a profit standpoint and what is best for their bottom line, why can't people on this forum view their trips to WDW the same way? What is a net positive for Disney may not be a net positive for some guests.

 

[mousermerf]

Park capacity wont change.. a gross misunderstanding of what park capacity is and how it works would be needed to think it will change if you change "who" is riding attractions from the park population. Capacity at the rides don't change with this - they remain constant. The park capacity remains constant.

 

[mousermerf]

LOL, nice try. Sorry, but nope. Didn't push a single person aside. I got in line, didn't cut, didn't climb under any barriers, didn't even run at rope drop. Didn't do a single thing anybody else couldn't do.

If you don't know that being at a theme park at opening is a good way to get on the rides you want to do, then you probably won't be able to figure out how to get on a computer and book FP+.



And I'd REALLY like for you to answer lugnut33's very pertinent question:

So you're okay with having the ethics and morals of a publicly traded corporation?

 

[bjakmom]

Do you have any insight into the final rollout of the FP+ system that you would like to add?

Do you think that Disney could possibly tweak the system as they roll it out?

Could they back off at all what was previously announced?

Could what we know now change at all?

I would think it be more prudent to wait before exuding such confidence

Yes! They could use this system and open it at 8 AM the morning of!! Wouldn't THAT be AWESOME!! We could schedule our FPs for the day as we wait for the gates to open - no more running to the FP machines and criss-crossing the parks. Those that want to come to the park later could roll over in bed, log into the system, schedule their FPs for later in the day, roll over and go back to sleep. WIN ! WIN ! WIN! Or am I missing something??
Please just don't make me schedule ride times 60 days out!!
(or 30 days out - or 5 days out - or 2 days out!!)

 

[SaraJayne]

The guests who are going to not benefit from this change are the minority. The majority of guests will benefit.

How is that not good for guests? Again, seeing past the end of one's own nose.. whatever happened to caring about other people?

Never mind. It's like arguing with a brick wall.

Until Disney deems to release details, I'm out of this discussion.

 

[mom2rtk]

So you're okay with having the ethics and morals of a publicly traded corporation?

I don't think arriving at rope drop and maximizing my rides puts my ethics and morals at risk. Thanks for your concern though.

 

[lugnut33]

Park capacity wont change.. a gross misunderstanding of what park capacity is and how it works would be needed to think it will change if you change "who" is riding attractions from the park population. Capacity at the rides don't change with this - they remain constant. The park capacity remains constant.

Not true.

So, they did the FL expansion from the good of their heart? They re-imagineered DCA not expecting more people to show up? You honestly don't think they are implementing FP+ without believing they can up park capacity? Or that they can utilize this program to boost under-utilized resources?

 

[mousermerf]

Yes! They could use this system and open it at 8 AM the morning of!! Wouldn't THAT be AWESOME!! We could schedule our FPs for the day as we wait for the gates to open - no more running to the FP machines and criss-crossing the parks. Those that want to come to the park later could roll over in bed, log into the system, schedule their FPs for later in the day, roll over and go back to sleep. WIN ! WIN ! WIN! Or am I missing something??
Please just don't make me schedule ride times 60 days out!!

You don't have to schedule 60 days out any more than someone has to get up for Rope Drop currently - I fail to see the big difference in effort on anyone's part. People just dont like that the effort isnt what they prefer of the two and suddenly it's unfair.

 

[mousermerf]

Not true.

So, they did the FL expansion from the good of their heart? They re-imagineered DCA not expecting more people to show up? You honestly don't think they are implementing FP+ without believing they can up park capacity? Or that they can utilize this program to boost under-utilized resources?

FL Expansion is not FP+. They are two different things. FP+ has no effect on park capacity.

 

[mousermerf]

I don't think arriving at rope drop and maximizing my rides puts my ethics and morals at risk. Thanks for your concern though.

No, it's the complete disregard for other guests enjoyment of the park that troubles me.

 

[mom2rtk]

FL Expansion is not FP+. They are two different things. FP+ has no effect on park capacity.

I read the PPs comment as maximizing attendance, as opposed to increasing capacity. I think it was just phrased wrong.

 

[mom2rtk]

No, it's the complete disregard for other guests enjoyment of the park that troubles me.

I'm so sorry to have troubled you. But it warms my heart that you care.

 

[lugnut33]

Increasing capacity will help pay for this:

Robert Iger got a big raise last year. The 62-year-old chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Co. (NYSE: DIS) earned a compensation package worth $40.2 million during the last fiscal year, according to the Los Angeles Times—a 20 percent bump. Iger made $33.4 million in 2011 and $29.6 million the year before that, per the Hollywood Reporter.

"The compensation committee strongly believes in pay for performance and that our ongoing success is in large part due to the contributions of the senior management team under the leadership of our CEO, Robert A. Iger," the company's filing said, reported the Times.

Iger’s total compensation included a base salary of $2.5 million and bonus of $16.5 million, as well as $9.5 million in stock awards, $7.8 million in option awards, $16.5 million in non-equity incentives, a $3.1 million change in pension value and $800,700 in other compenstation including security and personal air travel, according to Deadlin

 

[g-dad66]

No, it's the complete disregard for other guests enjoyment of the park that troubles me.

But DISBoard posters give a lot of their time to helping others get maximum enjoyment from their trip.

We regularly advise others to make Rope Drop and utilize Fast Passes (or any of a number of other tips, depending on what someone else's situation is --recognizing that different folks have different priorities and different touring styles). Some call it spreading "pixie dust."

But many folks just aren't going to get up early enough to get TSM or Soarin Fast Passes. (And will they schedule FP+ for those two rides far enough in advance to get a spot before they all run out? I keep wondering.)

On our next trip, we will arrive mid-afternoon at Epcot one day and mid-afternoon at Hollywood Studios another day. It would never occur to me to question the morals and ethics of those who got there earlier than me and grabbed up all the Fast Passes for the day.

 

[DougEMG]

Do you have any insight into the final rollout of the FP+ system that you would like to add?

Do you think that Disney could possibly tweak the system as they roll it out?

Could they back off at all what was previously announced?

Could what we know now change at all?

I would think it be more prudent to wait before exuding such confidence

I'm totally confident that based on the terms and conditions that Disney has announced that the new system will not benefit me. Will it benefit others, sure, but I'm only interested in how it will benefit me!

At the point in time that Disney publishes any new information is when I'll re-evaluate the new information. What I would not do is give them a free pass in the hopes that what they do is going to be different from what they announced.

What I'd like to see is the combining of the current system and the new system. Reserving up to 3 FP in advance (with whatever restrictions Disney wants in regards to headliners) and then any number of FP while in the parks without restrictions (other than the current 2 hours between FP). That would be an improvement over the current system. What Disney has currently announced is not an improvement for me!

 

[bcrook]

The guests who are going to not benefit from this change are the minority. The majority of guests will benefit.

How is that not good for guests? Again, seeing past the end of one's own nose.. whatever happened to caring about other people?

That is a lightening rod comment. It is drawing on emotion and bringing up good and bad again. I would like to stay away from that.

It is a new system that is in play. It will change the experience of everyone. On this thread we are trying to figure how it will change for those people. It won't change it for everyone the same way.

As others have said, with each new piece of information we can compare the changes to our bank accounts to see if it matches up.

Now you do hint at a something though that others have hinted at. It is intriguing: A Kinder and Gentler WDW...

Will these changes make the the parks more friendly, less stampedeish, and reduce stress levels of parents and kids? Maybe! And that might be worth the extra money or loss of ride time. But that is definitely in the realm of lets wait and see. That will take years for that to come to fruition. But I love the thought of it...