FP + What we know and what we want to know

[Robo]

But wasn't that the intent of FP's to begin with? To minimize waiting in line? So I don't think it is an entitlement, it worked the way Disney advertised it.

Logic.
Observation.

Very nice.

 

[jade1]

I agree. I just wish Disney would announce the plan already and let it's guests make appropriate decisions. Soon I guess...

Yep-folks like yourself are holding back cash the could be collecting.

 

[jade1]

But wasn't that the intent of FP's to begin with? To minimize waiting in line? So I don't think it is an entitlement, it worked the way Disney advertised it.

I think the current FP system works great-for the first 1/2 of the day.

 

[Missyrose]

I think the current FP system works great-for the first 1/2 of the day.

With absolutely no snark intended, could you elaborate what you mean here? Are you saying the system is broken because FPs to certain rides run out too early in the day?

 

[dadddio]

But wasn't that the intent of FP's to begin with? To minimize waiting in line? So I don't think it is an entitlement, it worked the way Disney advertised it.

Sure it was. FPs are still going to minimize line waits. They will minimize line waits for a greater number of people and a greater number of attractions.

 

[Robo]

Remembering the pre-FP days.

Ouch!

 

[dadddio]

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[doconeill]

But wasn't that the intent of FP's to begin with? To minimize waiting in line? So I don't think it is an entitlement, it worked the way Disney advertised it.

I thought it was "get people out of the lines and into restaurants and gift shops, while making them believe they were benefitting..."

However, in that respect it was a failure, since instead of going to the restaurants and shops, the majority went into another line...the increased spending didn't materialize.

Guess what the whole point of MyMagic+ is? To get us to spend more. And they've actually stated that goal this time.

 

[cheesemouse]

Folks it is take a deep breath time

We are trying really hard to keep the thread open and not delete posts/issue infractions.

Please keep your personal direct or thinly disguised attacks for other outlets. On the DIS we expect better.

This is the final public service announcement on this topic

Thank you! I indeed want this thread to remain active but we don't need all the personal attacks!

 

[Robo]

I thought it was "get people out of the lines and into restaurants and gift shops, while making them believe they were benefitting..."

To do that, they chose to minimize the waits in certain lines.

 

[DVC4US]

Did I misunderstand what you meant yesterday about the first qualifying guests being offered something yesterday? What were they being offered? What will be rolled out in a few weeks?

I was just getting ready to ask the same question. I would love to know the answer.

Of course, I have asked him twice to clarify two of his previous posts about how and when things will happen and he has ignored them.

Also, since he is the one who originally posted the rumor about AP holders getting 20 FP+ per quarter(4 per day for 5 days), I would like to know how this works out with the 3 FP+ limit we have heard from actual management.

 

[doconeill]

To do that, they chose to minimize the waits in certain lines.

Ummm...yes. I know that...the rest of my post was the point.

 

[GreenCntryGirl]

Maybe in your case. But you cant presume to project that on millions of WDW guests

I don't think she projected it on anyone. She specifically said it was in reference to her own POV.

Unless I'm missing something.

 

[doggydoc]

Dont see why rides will have to be skipped. People act as if they can not do attractions without a FP.

But why would I wait in SB line when I can stay on property at Universal and ride the rides without waiting all day to my hearts content.

 

[doconeill]

I have no idea what you are trying to say. The truth is, most of your posts in this thread have been apparent witty one liners that I didn't 'get'. I guess that I am too dense or just too new to understand.

Robo is the master of editing posts after the fact ("post-editing posts"? "editing posts post post"? ) so I don't see what you quoted, but I believe it was an attempt at invoking Shakepeare's phrase "The truth will out", meaning the truth of it will come out - and the truth of FP+ will come out with near-future trips.

At least I think that is what he's getting at.

P.S. dadddio, why when you quote do we not have the link to the quoted post? I've seen it many times in your quoted posts...

 

[jade1]

With absolutely no snark intended, could you elaborate what you mean here? Are you saying the system is broken because FPs to certain rides run out too early in the day?

Not broken-just that there are more available FP's in the AM than the PM and sooner return times. I often notice that I can "obtain another FP" in 1 hour" in the AM, but later they would say "in 2 hours". We do travel busy seasons though. And yes, by 11AM TSM is usually gone when we go. Soarin about the same and TT soon after. Also the later in the day-the later the time return. Like at noon SM may be for 8PM to 9PM, when at 9AM the return was 10AM to 11AM.

 

[dadddio]

But why would I wait in SB line when I can stay on property at Universal and ride the rides without waiting all day to my hearts content.

Because US does not have the same attractions. Universal is great, but its not the same experience.

 

[dadddio]

P.S. dadddio, why when you quote do we not have the link to the quoted post? I've seen it many times in your quoted posts...

i don't know. It may because most of my posts are from the iPhone or ipad app.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

Perfectly said

That is correct.

What seems to be missing here is that WE MAKE OUR OWN CHOICES. Your choice is not my choice. It's the beauty of the economy.

My choice is that I don't like the POTENTIAL restrictions Disney MAY impose and based on the limited information I choose not to purchase an AP so that my family could stay together and use FastPass+. Your choice may be to wait in the standby line, and that's fine because in this country we are still allowed to make those types of choices.

It is impossible for anyone to fully manage the economy -- either the government or in this case Disney. The choice of the consumer can be anticipated, but not guaranteed. I think that as Disney tries to greater manage the economy within their theme parks, they will find what the Soviet Union discovered, it really isn't possible to anticipate every possible choice.

When I considered the potential Fastpass limitations on the AP, I made the following choices:

• No AP
• My 12 days in the parks will be reduced to 10

The impact on Disney could be:

• I stay at the resort and still purchase my meals at the resort.
• I go to Downtown Disney and spend more money.
• I go to Sea World for the day.
• I cancel my extra days at a Disney resort and go visit my grandparents in South Florida.

Disney will eventually reveal the full rules and I will finalize my decisions. Some options may benefits Disney and some may be a loss for Disney, but I have the CHOICE as a consumer to make those decisions.

One of the frustrations of a forum such as this is that people criticize people's consumer choice without considering that we will each make choices that appear to us to be the best for our situation. My choice to not buy an AP as a buffer against the possibility of Disney dividing my family up on FastPass and Standby is my choice to make.

 

[doggydoc]

Because US does not have the same attractions.

Yeah they have better ones and adding more all the time. Disney has already admitted they are conceding the ride wars.