FP+ is now completely worthless if you are staying offsite.

[cakebaker]

I haven't seen anyone post that this was one of life's biggest disappointments. Have you?
But there are a lot of families (more than 1 person in their party) who are having a hard time getting their FP+ attractions. Let's say, for example, your family really were looking forward to a ride on Soarin' but there were no FP+times available. Wouldn't you be disappointed?

Go back and read the previous posts- it's a joke, nothing more. Lighten up.

 

[tim123]

I haven't seen anyone post that this was one of life's biggest disappointments. Have you?
But there are a lot of families (more than 1 person in their party) who are having a hard time getting their FP+ attractions. Let's say, for example, your family really were looking forward to a ride on Soarin' but there were no FP+times available. Wouldn't you be disappointed?

You can ride soarin' without a FP.
You can go at a time of year that is not crowded.
You can go with extra magic hours with minimal wait.
You can go at rope drop with minimal wait.
You can keep checkin for fast past availability.
You can get free fast passes for any ride which happened to me three times last visit.
You can bring positive energy and belief to the situation. And you will be surprised how the universe responds.

The poster wasn't 'really' suggesting it was lifes biggest disappointment. They were saying in the end you can and will have fun with your family even if you don't do Sorin' this time.
You can wait in line.
WDW lines even at their worst are nothing like Tokyo. And everyone is happy.
Why is that?

 

[Laketravis]

WDW lines even at their worst are nothing like Tokyo. And everyone is happy.
Why is that?

Everyone in Tokyo is happy?

Does it have something to do with the price of eggs in China?


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[Scootypuffjr]

I feel like this comes from people's expectations being too high. Disney has never promised anywhere that you WILL be able to ride every ride you want to during your visit. I remember growing up in SoCal, before DCA we would go and do the mountains and maybe a couple others before it was time to leave. We're talking 8 rides max. For years, Peter Pan was my favorite ride and we skipped it more often than not because of a 60 minute wait. It didn't ruin my life. It didn't ruin my trip. DH and I like the fact that FP+ guarantees us the ability to take DS on at least 3 of our favorite rides, without having to wake up early on vacation and sprint to get a paper FP (we are not the sprinting type).
You're at a place where childhood is forever, people. Just enjoy all the things you get to do, and stop focusing on what you don't get to do.

 

[Jennasis]

Everyone in Tokyo is happy?

Does it have something to do with the price of eggs in China?

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Ever see what rope drop in Tokyo looks like? Talk about the running of the bulls...Yeesh!

 

[baileybrad]

We stayed off site last trip. When we planned the trip Disney hotels were full. Trip was Oct. 3 - Oct. 14. We bought the souveiners at Disney, never set foot in a Target and we had ADR's at Disney restaurants. Don't assume all off site guests want to be off site. We prefer onsite but there were no rooms. We also are AP holders. As long as there are stand by lines, we were OK. Daughter in law got FP over several days of planning prior to our trip. DH always is in charge of ADR's. We were in the Toy Story test. We missed riding due to no standby when at a park level of 5 standby should be no issue.

Fp+ is not fast. It is an advanced attraction system. To fix it the attractions that were not in the original FP should be removed. Fireworks and Parades just do not need it.

The problem is Disney redesigned que areas in attractions such as pirates to accommodate FP+ and the old que handled people great. That ride moved a lot of guest fast but not now. They should have experimented first to see if that attraction even needed the new system before spending on the remodeled que.


The saying Don't fix what isn't broke has been around for a reason, it is accurate. Disney has created a huge mess in the parks. Having almost every attraction as a FP is not needed. First time guest are clueless, they think they have to get FP for everything offered and are doing less than what they would have done under the old system


HM had FP under the old system and then they removed it because they learned it was not needed. Learn from the past. Kathy

EVER. Your post gets right to the problems that FP+ has really brought about. It has made attractions that rarely had long waits, have them. All attractions are/were not headliners, so all attractions never needed FP- or FP+. People now feel that they must have a FP+ for something. We were there last week 10/13 - 10/17 and asked CMs about the standby waits (some were as short as 10 minutes for certain attractions) vs. FP+ waits and they confirmed that the Standby wait was actually less than the FP+ wait at that time for the ride. To me that should not happen......Disney, if they are going to have FP+ for an attraction should keep those people moving throught the ride. But that is also why so many attractions should not even have FP......in the good ole days the lines on the lesser attractions moved because they were continous....now the FP+ deal on them (Pirates is a perfect example) has them crawling.

 

[tim123]

Everyone in Tokyo is happy?

Does it have something to do with the price of eggs in China?


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Lake Travis
My point is that 2 hour waits are often the norm in TDR.
And the culture itself is adverse to complaining. Its an Asian thing. Antithetical to what we see posted here. I'm not passing judgement only commenting.

 

[cakebaker]

For years, Peter Pan was my favorite ride and we skipped it more often than not because of a 60 minute wait. It didn't ruin my life. It didn't ruin my trip.

Ok, I'm all for this lay back, relax it'll be ok, kumbaya sort of thing. But you've gone too far. I don't ride Peter Pan, bad things happen.

 

[surferdave]

WDW lines even at their worst are nothing like Tokyo. And everyone is happy.
Why is that?

Lake Travis
My point is that 2 hour waits are often the norm in TDR.
And the culture itself is adverse to complaining. Its an Asian thing. Antithetical to what we see posted here. I'm not passing judgement only commenting.

So wait, what was the question?

 

[Granny square]

I feel like this comes from people's expectations being too high. Disney has never promised anywhere that you WILL be able to ride every ride you want to during your visit. I remember growing up in SoCal, before DCA we would go and do the mountains and maybe a couple others before it was time to leave. We're talking 8 rides max. For years, Peter Pan was my favorite ride and we skipped it more often than not because of a 60 minute wait. It didn't ruin my life. It didn't ruin my trip. DH and I like the fact that FP+ guarantees us the ability to take DS on at least 3 of our favorite rides, without having to wake up early on vacation and sprint to get a paper FP (we are not the sprinting type).
You're at a place where childhood is forever, people. Just enjoy all the things you get to do, and stop focusing on what you don't get to do.

Oh please. No one os saying that their life will end if they can't get a fp+. But all vacations and most of life has expectations. There is an expectation caused by disney that you will be able to ride rides when you visit their parks. Making it more difficult for a family to do so stinks. And causes disappointment.

They will still have a good time more than likely. They will enjoy the atmosphere etc. To suggest they won't because they are disappointed is offensive and condescending.

Fp+ has made planning a pain in the butt. For the family going for a once in a lifetime trip it is chalk full of hope and expectations.

It is easy for me to say that if I don't get to ride such and such ride it isn't a big deal. I probably rode last year and probably will again next. But if I had a 5 year old girl who was just the right age to meet and adore a princess or a 7 year old boy ripe for a Jedi battle is be stressing to make sure it happened of
I could. Because it would be a kick to experience it with them.

Not rocket science. And no reason to feel like you are a better person because you don't want to ride or see something specific.

 

[tim123]

Ever see what rope drop in Tokyo looks like? Talk about the running of the bulls...Yeesh!

I have indeed seen the Tokyo rush for Toy Story…Fortunately I stayed at The Mira Costa and got in 20 before the mad rush!
The crowd dynamic at TDR is nothing like Florida in just about everyday you can imagine. For those who have the means and are getting a little tired of WDW and need a break it is highly suggested that you leave the good ole USA and experience the jewel of the Disney Parks.

 

[tim123]

So wait, what was the question?

What was what Question? I wasn't asking a question besides why are folks at TDR not prone to complaining and happily wait 2 or more hours in line and many here cry because their FP is a no go or the wait is 55 minutes? Just comparing and pondering the difference.

 

[Tarheel girl 1975]

I guess it depends how you did it previously and now. I only did it once so my sample size is limited but I found the newer system (from my experience) easier to get on the popular rides than in the past. Yes I had to choose but for me (someone who normally travels solo) utilizing the single rider line in addition, I had no problems at all.

With legacy FP, my family of four was able to ride TT and Soarin twice in one day with minimal waits. Now we can only ride them once each day and we still have to be there at rope drop. With legacy FP, we could ride TSMM 3 times in one day with minimal waits. Again, this trip we could only ride twice and we had to get there at rope drop to do it. With the exception of TT, Soarin, and TSMM most of the Fp we pulled were usually for 1-2 hours out. It was easy for us to pull a FP and do other rides in the area that had no wait, while we waited for our FP time to come around. This trip, we found ourselves skipping attractions because we weren't on the same side of the park that I thought we would be on when I made my FP 2 months ago. Many times the MDE app told me that I could not change my FP time.

I feel like this comes from people's expectations being too high. Disney has never promised anywhere that you WILL be able to ride every ride you want to during your visit. I remember growing up in SoCal, before DCA we would go and do the mountains and maybe a couple others before it was time to leave. We're talking 8 rides max. For years, Peter Pan was my favorite ride and we skipped it more often than not because of a 60 minute wait. It didn't ruin my life. It didn't ruin my trip. DH and I like the fact that FP+ guarantees us the ability to take DS on at least 3 of our favorite rides, without having to wake up early on vacation and sprint to get a paper FP (we are not the sprinting type).
You're at a place where childhood is forever, people. Just enjoy all the things you get to do, and stop focusing on what you don't get to do.

Right, they only show commercials that make it look like Cinderella's castle is right outside your resort window and that all of the characters are waiting in an uncrowded park just to meet your little one. WDW set the bar high themsleves, many years ago. My great aunt and uncle would scrimp and save all year to go to DL, because the customer service was exemplary. They used to joke that the park was so clean that you could eat of the ground. Now we have entertainment cuts and overflowing garbage cans.

 

[lugnut33]

For those staying off-site during the holidays I'd love for you to post up your experiences at the parks and with FP+.

 

[cakebaker]

Fp+ has made planning a pain in the butt. For the family going for a once in a lifetime trip it is chalk full of hope and expectations.

It is easy for me to say that if I don't get to ride such and such ride it isn't a big deal. I probably rode last year and probably will again next. But if I had a 5 year old girl who was just the right age to meet and adore a princess or a 7 year old boy ripe for a Jedi battle is be stressing to make sure it happened of
I could. Because it would be a kick to experience it with them.

So don't stress, it's your choice. Try for a fp+, stay on site to give you a better advantage. And if you can't get a fp+, go- enjoy- get in line and wait because if it's the trip of a lifetime, and your kids will me tremendously disappointed if they don't get to do it, it's worth it.

You can minimize your waits by going early, doing emh, doing things later in the day but you don't have to miss a single thing you don't want to miss.

 

[tim123]

Oh please. No one os saying that their life will end if they can't get a fp+. But all vacations and most of life has expectations. There is an expectation caused by disney that you will be able to ride rides when you visit their parks. Making it more difficult for a family to do so stinks. And causes disappointment.

They will still have a good time more than likely. They will enjoy the atmosphere etc. To suggest they won't because they are disappointed is offensive and condescending.

Fp+ has made planning a pain in the butt. For the family going for a once in a lifetime trip it is chalk full of hope and expectations.

It is easy for me to say that if I don't get to ride such and such ride it isn't a big deal. I probably rode last year and probably will again next. But if I had a 5 year old girl who was just the right age to meet and adore a princess or a 7 year old boy ripe for a Jedi battle is be stressing to make sure it happened of
I could. Because it would be a kick to experience it with them.

Not rocket science. And no reason to feel like you are a better person because you don't want to ride or see something specific.

You can get on any ride you want at WDW if that is a priority for you.
I am not aware of any circumstance where you CAN NOT ride ANYTHING if that is your main desire. My grandmother used to say when my sister and I wanted a fourth pancake in a little depression style tone.."can I have it all?" Profound nes 'pas?

 

[DsnyDad73]

To look at it from the other side....if you spent more money (to stay on site, upgrade to club level etc)) wouldn't you want more exclusive treatment? Disney is allowing people that spend the extra money and stay with them, earlier access to get the rides they want. Really this is not news! It is a Business after all. Pretty much everything in our economy is based on the principle that if you spend more you get more. This holds true with cruises, hotel accomodations, flights etc.

Even though we always stay on property, and go every year (sometimes twice), I certainly understand the fact that it gets more expensive every year to enjoy the "Disney Magic" the way you really want to. You just have to decide how much money it's worth to you.

Now I'm go with the flow kind of guy, and the thing I don't like about the FP+ is the fact that it forces you to "Schedule" your day.....which to me eliminates the fun of just doing what you want when you want. The things I do like about it is, that I know if I schedule on the day my 60 window opens, at least my kids are getting on the rides they want. For that I'm willing to pay a little more.

 

[tim123]

With legacy FP, my family of four was able to ride TT and Soarin twice in one day with minimal waits. Now we can only ride them once each day and we still have to be there at rope drop. With legacy FP, we could ride TSMM 3 times in one day with minimal waits. Again, this trip we could only ride twice and we had to get there at rope drop to do it. With the exception of TT, Soarin, and TSMM most of the Fp we pulled were usually for 1-2 hours out. It was easy for us to pull a FP and do other rides in the area that had no wait, while we waited for our FP time to come around. This trip, we found ourselves skipping attractions because we weren't on the same side of the park that I thought we would be on when I made my FP 2 months ago. Many times the MDE app told me that I could not change my FP time.



Right, they only show commercials that make it look like Cinderella's castle is right outside your resort window and that all of the characters are waiting in an uncrowded park just to meet your little one. WDW set the bar high themsleves, many years ago. My great aunt and uncle would scrimp and save all year to go to DL, because the customer service was exemplary. They used to joke that the park was so clean that you could eat of the ground. Now we have entertainment cuts and overflowing garbage cans.

Clearly those days are OVER. They used to pump my gas and wash my windshield too. And feed you a meal on a plane, and free drinks domestic! and I used to call the operator on the phone and when I called a company a human answered. Bobby Zimmerman comes to mind "admit that the waters around you..the times they are a…"

 

[Angel Ariel]

You can get on any ride you want at WDW if that is a priority for you.
I am not aware of any circumstance where you CAN NOT ride ANYTHING if that is your main desire.

Unless they happen to run an.unannounced fp+ only test when you are there,.and you don't have or can't get a fp+ for it. In such circumstance, standby is no longer an option and one's willingness to wait or not is a non issue.

 

[Suvadoo]

Go back and read the previous posts- it's a joke, nothing more. Lighten up.

Was there any reason for posting this besides being condescending? Did it add anything to the conversation? And you wonder why you're being persecuted!