FP+ doesn't make lines longer.

[wisblue]

I just looked at some charts over on easywdw which compared wait times now vs then (2013) same dates.

The overall decrease in SB time was 45min.

The overall INCREASE in SB time was 85min.

So yeah, if your intent was to ride all headliners via FP+, or even SB then congrats! your wait has gone down.

However, if you have young kids or just don't ride all the coasters, too bad, your wait has doubled, which almost certainly WILL affect how many rides a person can do in a day.

For example, in my case, we only ride BTMRR with a FP. Let's assume I choose that, PP and Pooh, knowing that standby waits for both of those are going to increase a lot faster than they used to. It takes me twenty minutes to ride those (which is exactly what it would have taken in the old system, in the morning) but now instead of spending 20min to ride teacups, dumbo, barnstormer, speedway, I'm spending 15min for EACH. Tell me again how wait times can never increase?

Do you have a link to those charts?

 

[Jennygt]

But you forgot that FP+ kills puppies, brought Ebola to the US, and was spotted with a rifle walking away from the Grassy Knoll.

really?

 

[Jennygt]

has anyone considered that disney can have anyone make a profile and post here...hows the cool aid

 

[IamGroot]

has anyone considered that disney can have anyone make a profile and post here...hows the cool aid

ooooh i like conspiracy theories

 

[Suvadoo]

Do you have a link to those charts?

Since the poster mentioned her source, I'm sure you could go over to the site she mentions and find them. Wasn't it easy WDW?

 

[wisblue]

Since the poster mentioned her source, I'm sure you could go over to the site she mentions and find them. Wasn't it easy WDW?

That site has a lot of stuff on it so finding one particular item isn't necessarily that easy.

When I referenced the item from Touring Plans I included the link to make it easy for anyone who wanted to look at it.

 

[AndreaA]

Do you have a link to those charts?

It just so happened that I followed a link from the comments of one of his most recent posts, so when this thread popped up, I went back to do some math.

http://www.easywdw.com/uncategorize...cting-wait-times-at-disney-world-attractions/

He's probably done some other comparisons more recently, but he mentioned in the comment I followed the link from that yes, SB for rides that used to be short have substantially increased, so I'm assuming the data in the charts still holds true or has gotten even worse.

 

[chapie1968]

Ok, so let's set about some ground rules. Everything in this thread is assuming that park attendance hasn't increased, or at least that attendance isnt the culprit behind wait times. I think we can all agree if attendence doubles and the number of rides are the same, waits will increase.

So on with it.

Fastpasses, new or old system, are a ZERO SUM GAME. This means that by making your wait shorter on one attraction, you make it longer on every other attraction where you don't have a FP. Fastpasses simply create an artificial redistribution of guests throughout the park.

Is the wait for pirates longer? Yes. But in turn that means that other waits are now shorter because more people are riding pirates every day. We can't pretend that FP is broken because one attraction is a longer wait, when the overall waits for an entire day are the same as before.

So who loses? The only way you "lose" is if you were one of the people that used to get 5+ FP in a day before. You were the minority before, and had a good run. Now the system awards everyone the same opportunity (we don't need another on/off site debate here) for rides now. It's hard to complain that you lost an edge over others.

But after all you said, waits ARE longer. why is this? The only thing that could be causing longer lines is increased attendence (which were ignoring), or people riding more rides. If FP+ is causing people to get on more attractions each day, that would increase the lines. However, getting people on more rides is the entire point of the entire system.

So either lines (overall for an entire day in the park) are the same as before, or people are riding more rides. It's pretty silly to complain that you're getting on more attractions in a day, so let's just let this whole debate/complaint end.

*for the haters: the FP+ Only tests they have done are stupid. I don't agree with them. But those tests are a failure of management, not the FP+ system.

Apples Apples Oranges Oranges

All I know is we get less attractions done now by far with FP+

 

[Planogirl]

I would trust anything Josh posts. It is just as some thought apparently.

 

[IamGroot]

It just so happened that I followed a link from the comments of one of his most recent posts, so when this thread popped up, I went back to do some math.

http://www.easywdw.com/uncategorize...cting-wait-times-at-disney-world-attractions/

He's probably done some other comparisons more recently, but he mentioned in the comment I followed the link from that yes, SB for rides that used to be short have substantially increased, so I'm assuming the data in the charts still holds true or has gotten even worse.

Attendence has also increased by over 6% year-over-year, so lets ignore that and blame FP+?

 

[AndreaA]

Attendence has also increased by over 6% year-over-year, so lets ignore that and blame FP+?

So the increase in attendance only caused increases in wait times at secondary rides? Interesting. Apparently all of the newcomers abhor the most popular rides.

 

[IamGroot]

So the increase in attendance only caused increases in wait times at secondary rides? Interesting. Apparently all of the newcomers abhor the most popular rides.

I dont recall ever saying that. An increase in attendance would likely cause an increase in all wait times.

 

[AndreaA]

I dont recall ever saying that. An increase in attendance would likely cause an increase in all wait times.

Then how do you explain the figures in those tables which show decreases at the mountains and increases - some doubling or more! - for most other rides? Either increased attendance should increase wait times for all rides, or FP+ is responsible for the increase in wait times for many rides.

 

[Planogirl]

Then how do you explain the figures in those tables which show decreases at the mountains and increases - some doubling or more! - for most other rides? Either increased attendance should increase wait times for all rides, or FP+ is responsible for the increase in wait times for many rides.

Plus wait times have tended to double. I don't think that a 6% increase in attendance would cause that.

 

[itchin2go]

Attendence has also increased by over 6% year-over-year, so lets ignore that and blame FP+?

Come on. I'm no math whiz, but I have trouble believing that a 6% increase in attendance is responsible for the doubling of the wait time for ...

wait for it ...

Journey into Imagination with Figment!

And I don't see the data there, but I'll be willing to bet that the wait times from 2012 to 2013 didn't double.

However, waits coincidentally doubled with the introduction of FP. That doesn't provide us with all the answers, but it suggests a very plausible theory.

Seriously, I have never, not once, waited AT ALL for Journey Into Imagination with Figment. Not once. Not only has there never been a line ... usually I don't see a single person in front of me or behind me. There's literally no one on the ride with us when we go on it. And if I have such disdain for this ride, you might ask, well, how many times have you actually ridden it ... and why? Inexplicably, it was my daughter's favorite ride in Epcot ... and a convenient way to kill time until, blessedly, World Showcase opened up at 11:00. So I have ridden it a lot ...

 

[flicx]

So we can now clear this up very easily. Go to the site listed. Read the results for yourself and read the conclusion. Wait times have increased, particularly for secondary attractions. That pretty much wraps it up. Thanks for the link!

 

[IamGroot]

Then how do you explain the figures in those tables which show decreases at the mountains and increases - some doubling or more! - for most other rides? Either increased attendance should increase wait times for all rides, or FP+ is responsible for the increase in wait times for many rides.

well increased attendance is increasing waits across the board, however the new FP+ system balances things out. That is literally the entire point of this thread. And I have already explained it several times.

 

[IamGroot]

Come on. I'm no math whiz, but I have trouble believing that a 6% increase in attendance is responsible for the doubling of the wait time for ...

wait for it ...

Journey into Imagination with Figment!

And I don't see the data there, but I'll be willing to bet that the wait times from 2012 to 2013 didn't double.

However, waits coincidentally doubled with the introduction of FP. That doesn't provide us with all the answers, but it suggests a very plausible theory.

Seriously, I have never, not once, waited AT ALL for Journey Into Imagination with Figment. Not once. Not only has there never been a line ... usually I don't see a single person in front of me or behind me. There's literally no one on the ride with us when we go on it. And if I have such disdain for this ride, you might ask, well, how many times have you actually ridden it ... and why? Inexplicably, it was my daughter's favorite ride in Epcot ... and a convenient way to kill time until, blessedly, World Showcase opened up at 11:00. So I have ridden it a lot ...

A 6% increase on MILLIONS of guests is significant. In order to double the wait time on a small ride with a low guests/hour capacity, you only need a few more guests on that ride to double the wait.

 

[wisblue]

It just so happened that I followed a link from the comments of one of his most recent posts, so when this thread popped up, I went back to do some math.

http://www.easywdw.com/uncategorize...cting-wait-times-at-disney-world-attractions/

He's probably done some other comparisons more recently, but he mentioned in the comment I followed the link from that yes, SB for rides that used to be short have substantially increased, so I'm assuming the data in the charts still holds true or has gotten even worse.

Thanks. I remember seeing this chart at the time it came out.

I'm curious about how you concluded that you could do Dumbo, Barnstormer, Teacups, and Speedway in 15 minutes total before but now you would have to wait 20 minutes for each. This chart doesn't lead you to that.

I think the overall conclusion from this is similar to the conclusion in the Touring Plans study. Some things up, some things down, but nothing where normal lines of 10 minutes have suddenly become over 30 minutes.

 

[flicx]

Attendence has also increased by over 6% year-over-year, so lets ignore that and blame FP+?

Those are attendance numbers you just pulled out of the air. Disney never releases those numbers, not to mention the fact that not every park goes up or down the same as the magic kingdom. It is the one that gets the most attendance. I'll stick with the actual numbers Josh has posted thank you very much!