FP+ Details Are Out!

[bcrook]

Again, I'm amazed that the new revelation isn't making a bigger splash.

READ THESE TWO ANSWERS CAREFULLY!!!!!! I'll even bold some parts.


Q.
Can I select more than one FASTPASS+ attraction?
A.
Yes. You can reserve access to multiple FastPass+ attractions or entertainment experiences—the specific number depends on availability. In general, you will be able to select up to 4 FastPass+ attractions and entertainment experiences each day at one theme park. For extra convenience, you can even make selections up to 60 days in advance of your visit.


Q.
How many FastPass+ experiences am I allowed to reserve access to for each day and for my entire vacation?

A.
The total number of FastPass+ experiences available to you during your visit depends on several factors including availability and the vacation packages and tickets linked to your Disney account. Generally, FastPass+ eligible Guests are able to select one set of FastPass+ experiences each day for every valid theme park ticket linked to their account.

Depending on availability, you should be able to reserve access to up to 4 FastPass+ attractions and entertainment experiences each day.

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Yes, the number 4 has been reached (and I think they are definitely saying 5 is right out!), BUT it is being presented in a way that I believe means that is your MAX number FP+ you can get in a day. I absolutely do NOT read these two answers to say we can preschedule 4 FP+. And I'm fairly certaim that simply can't happen, except for the slowest of seasons, based on ride capacity.

I think the answer now seems to be: Preschedule 3, get up to 4 total FP+ per day.

And to that, I say to Disney: It's been some some great years (almost 40), some amazing memories, and tons of fun. Thanks, and maybe I'll revisit in early February some day, or MNSSHP, but that's it. I hope you enjoy the Brazilian tour groups, and the people you kidnap at the airport, because you aren't getting much more of my money at WDW... EVER AGAIN!

Jason

You are right. This could be the original plan worded differently. 3 to start with (current testers have this), then a surprise and delight add on throughout the day as numbers allow.

Animal Kingdom doesn't have enough for three! But that is where the airline style reservations come in. Disney can overbook FP+ and extend their availability past 100% because they will have an idea about no show rates. If somebody misses their FP reservation, they just lose it. There will be a lot of that I imagine.

 

[Belle's Castle]

Wow, so it does seem like Disney is ready to plow ahead if they are testing with 3 FP+ selections and no access to the old FP system. I will be glue to the Disboards next week

(I do realize I have a little bit of disbelief in my tone)

We are one of the two people being referred to here... We arrive on the 23rd and will jump right into it that afternoon. We will be happy to post what we find. So many people have contributed useful information to us over the years. We are excited to be able to repay the favor.

Sent from my iPad using DISBoard

 

[magicbob]

Again, I'm amazed that the new revelation isn't making a bigger splash.

READ THESE TWO ANSWERS CAREFULLY!!!!!! I'll even bold some parts.

I'll take the liberty of bolding a few different words and comment after.

Q.
Can I select more than one FASTPASS+ attraction?
A.
Yes. You can reserve access to multiple FastPass+ attractions or entertainment experiences— the specific number depends on availability. In general, you will be able to select up to 4 FastPass+ attractions and entertainment experiences each day at one theme park. For extra convenience, you can even make selections up to 60 days in advance of your visit.

Q.
How many FastPass+ experiences am I allowed to reserve access to for each day and for my entire vacation?

A.
The total number of FastPass+ experiences available to you during your visit depends on several factors including availability and the vacation packages and tickets linked to your Disney account. Generally, FastPass+ eligible Guests are able to select one set of FastPass+ experiences each day for every valid theme park ticket linked to their account.

Depending on availability, you should be able to reserve access to up to 4 FastPass+ attractions and entertainment experiences each day.

"Up to 4" is not even a guarantee of 3. 1 or 2 qualifies as "up to 4." That's just spin. It doesn't really change any previously released information.

Everything is contingent upon "availability." I'm sure there will be something available even a few days out, but it probably won't be for the most popular rides. 2 or 3 of those 4 FP+s will be Stitch, Hall of Presidents, etc. "Entertainment experiences" can be defined as pretty much anything that occurs at WDW. I'm reminded of the special trolley show for "Limited Time Magic." Nothing prevents WDW from including this as one of the "entertainment experiences" that will be available. But then again, you WILL have special seating reserved as the streetcar goes by!

 

[ArwenMarie]

Depending on availability, you should be able to reserve access to up to 4 FastPass+ attractions and entertainment experiences each day.

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Yes, the number 4 has been reached (and I think they are definitely saying 5 is right out!), BUT it is being presented in a way that I believe means that is your MAX number FP+ you can get in a day. I absolutely do NOT read these two answers to say we can preschedule 4 FP+. And I'm fairly certaim that simply can't happen, except for the slowest of seasons, based on ride capacity.

I think the answer now seems to be: Preschedule 3, get up to 4 total FP+ per day.

And to that, I say to Disney: It's been some some great years (almost 40), some amazing memories, and tons of fun. Thanks, and maybe I'll revisit in early February some day, or MNSSHP, but that's it. I hope you enjoy the Brazilian tour groups, and the people you kidnap at the airport, because you aren't getting much more of my money at WDW... EVER AGAIN!

Jason

I don't see where it's preschedule 3, receive up to 4. Versus being able to preschedule 4. Oh well, the number is either 3 or 4 I guess.

I think they can have it so people can preschedule 4 if they put enough rides onto the FP+ system, which they are clearly doing.

 

[bcrook]

I don't see where it's preschedule 3, receive up to 4. Versus being able to preschedule 4. Oh well, the number is either 3 or 4 I guess.

I think they can have it so people can preschedule 4 if they put enough rides onto the FP+ system, which they are clearly doing.

Which brings us back to tiers. When this whole thing goes live and everyone is on it, ride categories could be re-introduced. They may have disappeared only temporarily.

And Magic Kingdom handles all of this much better than the other parks. The ride capacity is huge compared to the other three.

 

[magicbob]

I don't see where it's preschedule 3, receive up to 4. Versus being able to preschedule 4. Oh well, the number is either 3 or 4 I guess.

I think they can have it so people can preschedule 4 if they put enough rides onto the FP+ system, which they are clearly doing.

Exactly. Which means that many guests will be pre-scheduling Stitch, Hall of Presidents, etc. Even if there is not a tiered system, this will be all that's left at some point (I predict it will be like that at 59 days out).

There's an attempt at masterful marketing in progress. But I'm sticking to me scepticism until proven wrong. I don't see how, even if the system works, getting pre-scheduled times for "c-ticket" rides is an improvement over the legacy FP system.

Come on Disney... don't pour a Dole Whip on my head and tell me it's raining!

 

[Cinderumbrella]

Which brings us back to tiers. When this whole thing goes live and everyone is on it, ride categories could be re-introduced. They may have disappeared only temporarily.

And Magic Kingdom handles all of this much better than the other parks. The ride capacity is huge compared to the other three.

I confess I have not been following this as closely as I once was, but wasn't there a rumor floating around that MK was going going to have as many as 5 FP+, thus the reason for the higher single day ticket price?

Based on the new FAQ posted a few pages back, perhaps, in peak type seasons, MK will get 4 and the others will get 3?

 

[d1gitman]

has there been any indication in tests or otherwise as to how a guest keeps track of their FP+'s if they do not have a smartphone? current FP gives a printed ticket. i can see people who prebook getting an itinerary in their mickey mail, but what about same day FP+ and changes made to FP+? i know it won't be an issue for our family but i can see people not having pen and paper on them to write it down.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

I'll take the liberty of bolding a few different words and comment after.





"Up to 4" is not even a guarantee of 3. 1 or 2 qualifies as "up to 4." That's just spin. It doesn't really change any previously released information.

Everything is contingent upon "availability." I'm sure there will be something available even a few days out, but it probably won't be for the most popular rides. 2 or 3 of those 4 FP+s will be Stitch, Hall of Presidents, etc. "Entertainment experiences" can be defined as pretty much anything that occurs at WDW. I'm reminded of the special trolley show for "Limited Time Magic." Nothing prevents WDW from including this as one of the "entertainment experiences" that will be available. But then again, you WILL have special seating reserved as the streetcar goes by!

The way I understand english, up to 4 means you can reserve 4. You do not have to reserve 4 but you are guaranteed 4 (based on availability, your mileage may vary , etc.)

No one has mentioned this one yet:

Q. Will FastPass+ service make the attraction standby lines longer?

A. We do not anticipate that the attraction standby queues will be any longer than they were before FastPass+ service. ...

In other words, we don't know.

 

[doconeill]

The way I understand english, up to 4 means you can reserve 4. You do not have to reserve 4 but you are guaranteed 4 (based on availability, your mileage may vary , etc.).

Usage of "up to" can be something of a weasel phrase. It doesn't guarantee anything. It's like saying, "up to 50% off everything", but you'll find most things are nowhere near 50% off, or "up to 3 days" on your smartphone battery, but only if you never actually use it for anything for three days....

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

Usage of "up to" can be something of a weasel phrase. It doesn't guarantee anything. It's like saying, "up to 50% off everything", but you'll find most things are nowhere near 50% off, or "up to 3 days" on your smartphone battery, but only if you never actually use it for anything for three days....

But it guarantees that there is a condition under which you can reserve 4 FP+'s. Now that condition may be that one of them is for Country Bears or COP but the condition must exist is some form.

 

[doconeill]

But it guarantees that there is a condition under which you can reserve 4 FP+'s. Now that condition may be that one of them is for Country Bears or COP but the condition must exist is some form.

Or it could be that they will allow 4 FP+ reservations, but only on January 30th, or whatever date the parks are emptiest...

...or only for resort guests on select dates...

...or...

point is, it doesn't guarantee anything.

...and what gets me, we're basing "facts" on an FAQ on something that hasn't been rolled out yet, when WDW has an FAQ for Rider Switch, which has been in used for ages, and is STILL incorrect

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

Or it could be that they will allow 4 FP+ reservations, but only on January 30th, or whatever date the parks are emptiest...

...or only for resort guests on select dates...

...or...

point is, it doesn't guarantee anything.

...and what gets me, we're basing "facts" on an FAQ on something that hasn't been rolled out yet, when WDW has an FAQ for Rider Switch, which has been in used for ages, and is STILL incorrect

Each of your examples guarantees that it is possible under some condition but may not be the norm, a point I should have made more clearly in my first post.

I agree that, at best, all the information we have merely allows speculation as to what the final product may become.

 

[magicbob]

The way I understand english, up to 4 means you can reserve 4. You do not have to reserve 4 but you are guaranteed 4 (based on availability, your mileage may vary , etc.)

No one has mentioned this one yet:

Q. Will FastPass+ service make the attraction standby lines longer?

A. We do not anticipate that the attraction standby queues will be any longer than they were before FastPass+ service. ...

In other words, we don't know.

Usage of "up to" can be something of a weasel phrase. It doesn't guarantee anything. It's like saying, "up to 50% off everything", but you'll find most things are nowhere near 50% off, or "up to 3 days" on your smartphone battery, but only if you never actually use it for anything for three days....

But it guarantees that there is a condition under which you can reserve 4 FP+'s. Now that condition may be that one of them is for Country Bears or COP but the condition must exist is some form.

The term "up to 4" is lawyerese meaning you cannot reserve MORE than 4. Mark my words, it does not guarantee you will be able to reserve 4. It guarantees you cannot reserve more than 4. If you are only able to reserve 2, the terms and conditions have still been honored.

 

[wyurm]

This entire MyMagic+ is a marketing concept. People are wanting it to be a great innovative experience, but I don't think it was designed for that, and Disney really hasn't even tried to sell it that way. Their best tool is the interactive queue elements, and they have done nothing to sell that - which blows my mind.

This thread is focused on the Fastpass+ part of it but when you mention it not being designed as a great innovative experience I have to disagree. There is one thing that has always annoyed me about vacations. When I want to go swimming or to a water park, I have to take my room key and money with and store them in either a locker (anywhere from .50 to $16.00 -- (Six Flags water park)) or leave them in my pants on a beach chair. With Magic band I no longer have to worry about this at all. If that was the only new feature I would be extremely happy.

When it comes to Fastpass+, I still think they want to see if the way it is supposed to work on paper is how it will really work in service. The goal is definitely to make more money and you aren't spending money if you are spending 1 or 2 hours in line. I think overall MyMagic+ will be an innovative improvement. After all, what's best for marketing is a happy customer as you are less likely to spend more money if you're having a bad day.

I'm treating this with a wait-and-see attitude because I think quite a few rules will change or be slightly altered before the real roll-out. I've see a lot of people threatening to quit Disney once this goes out. First, I have doubts about that and second, it's very premature since it's still in beta we don't really know what the final form will be. We only have an idea right now.

 

[doconeill]

has there been any indication in tests or otherwise as to how a guest keeps track of their FP+'s if they do not have a smartphone? current FP gives a printed ticket. i can see people who prebook getting an itinerary in their mickey mail, but what about same day FP+ and changes made to FP+? i know it won't be an issue for our family but i can see people not having pen and paper on them to write it down.

As of right now, you'll be able to visit a kiosk in the park (exact locations not clear, but at least several will be at Guest Relations or nearby) to check. Beyond that is unknown.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

The term "up to 4" is lawyerese meaning you cannot reserve MORE than 4. Mark my words, it does not guarantee you will be able to reserve 4. It guarantees you cannot reserve more than 4. If you are only able to reserve 2, the terms and conditions have still been honored.

My only point that if you make a statement like that there must be a condition under which it is true (but not necessarily the norm as we all know from advertising), that is all. Enough said about something that is most likely going to change anyway.

I expect we'll see a few changes to that FAQ by the time this rolls out.

 

[ArwenMarie]

My only point that if you make a statement like that there must be a condition under which it is true (but not necessarily the norm as we all know from advertising), that is all.

Definitely, there will be. But how it plays out in real life is the question. Like how they use "selected" a lot in their room discount advertisements. And then they tag "selected" individual rooms for certain nights only with the discount.

 

[Cafeen]

Usage of "up to" can be something of a weasel phrase. It doesn't guarantee anything. It's like saying, "up to 50% off everything", but you'll find most things are nowhere near 50% off, or "up to 3 days" on your smartphone battery, but only if you never actually use it for anything for three days....

"Save up to 20% with the Disney Dining Plan" (Though, this is a bit different, as this "up to" is not a hard cap.)

My only point that if you make a statement like that there must be a condition under which it is true (but not necessarily the norm as we all know from advertising), that is all. Enough said about something that is most likely going to change anyway.

I expect we'll see a few changes to that FAQ by the time this rolls out.

One thing to consider would be availability at different times of the year. That "up to" maximum does not have to be true for all seasons.

During super slow seasons, pulling 4 headliners may be the norm. During mid-July or Christmas, pulling more then 2-3 FPs may be luck (even with the b-c level attractions thrown into the mix).

It could also be more along the lines of "The system itself lets you have 4, but availability may be limited to fewer" (which, is essentially the same thing )

 

[squirrel4569]

has there been any indication in tests or otherwise as to how a guest keeps track of their FP+'s if they do not have a smartphone? current FP gives a printed ticket. i can see people who prebook getting an itinerary in their mickey mail, but what about same day FP+ and changes made to FP+? i know it won't be an issue for our family but i can see people not having pen and paper on them to write it down.

I think that you can receive texts or emails with your reservations and that doesn't require a smartphone, but a phone nonetheless. As for those without a phone I'm not sure. Possible that the kiosks will have a printer of some type to print out a sheet of your reservations, but I doubt that.