FP+ Details Are Out!

[Robo]

Is there a timeline for the rollout of FastPass+?

To put your mind at ease in this regard...

If there ever is an announced firm "rollout date."

The information will not just be lost in the middle of some protracted discussion thread.

It will be the title line on at least a dozen new threads popping up for a period of days, weeks, months.

In short, if you are on the DIS, it won't be a mystery.

 

[jade1]

In the first case, that's not creating an advantage of FP+ then, its creating a system where you need a backup pre-booked 60 days out, which just sounds dumb IMO. The current system allows the flexibility that you don't need to do that, which means the new system is ... worse ?

Sorry got wrapped up in an axle at work.

What I'm saying is nobody knows a lot of these answers yet.

I predict there will be a lot of "dumb" guests that pre-book TSM on more than one day of their week stay.

How many folks will really reserve FP+ as a percentage? How many cancel a trip? How many sleep in and miss them? How many switch to another park? How many FP+ will be released day of? The number could affect how many "additional or duplicate" are available on day of, or days before. As will the time of year. It could end up being very flexible-again we will see.

Under the current system if you miss a day because of weather, or a sickness, etc, you can just do double duty between two parks, except you could get FPs for the headliners in those parks. You could choose which you would go to for RD and which you could go later for and FP, or you could do FP in both parks. Under FP+ ... nope.

How do you know this as fact? For sure you can do RP and SB-back to making up for your missed fave, the system is set up to allow changes at any time. Your automatic assumption is this is impossible-but we will only know in the future.

And your last point, honestly, is not well thought out ..... Either there is no point in having FP, because hey "its called rope drop and SB" ... or, um no one is going to book in advance, that's just something you do optionally.... please ! Basically everyone here recognizes that the Headliners are going to book like MAD 60 days out. Especially if they are limiting the FPs. People will gravitate to the must dos.

I never said no one is going to book in advance. Not everyone is going to book in advance, and you can change all the way up until you walk out your hotel door.

"Everyone here" does-but we are a small percentage.

Feel free to take the negative approach-its great conversation IMO. But for us-the new system crushes the old one, even at worst case.

 

[xipetotec]

Feel free to take the negative approach-its great conversation IMO. But for us-the new system crushes the old one, even at worst case.

Well, as you said, we'll see once it goes live. I admit I'm personally leaning on the negative view of the new system. BUT since it's inevitable, I'm eager to see how it plays out and works.

 

[jdcthree]

But for us-the new system crushes the old one, even at worst case.

That's a pretty bold statement...

I think my idea of the worst case scenario for fp+ must be a lot different from yours.

 

[jade1]

That's a pretty bold statement...

I think my idea of the worst case scenario for fp+ must be a lot different from yours.

We are not the norm on here though. Kids are 20's and night owls. Still go busy weeks with a teacher in the mix. Have been 30 times so nothing is mandatory any more, but still check on headliners. Headliner FP's are gone well before we arrive and waits are 1 to 2 hours. Enjoy the resorts, dining , drinks, night shows most. One headliner pre scheduled a day would be a huge improvement.

Have actually gotten everyone up and out the door from BCV to IG, went in and everyone else left and went back to bed, eat, swim whatever. That way I could walk across the park and get everyone a FP for TT at least once on the trip. Just so 80's with todays technology. Worse-no screen at IG to even say if TT FP was available-much less posted return times.

 

[jade1]

I mean.....I'm a US plant who wants this to go through, fail miserably, and bring down the competition.

 

[ArwenMarie]

We are not the norm on here though. Kids are 20's and night owls. Still go busy weeks with a teacher in the mix. Have been 30 times so nothing is mandatory any more, but still check on headliners. Headliner FP's are gone well before we arrive and waits are 1 to 2 hours. Enjoy the resorts, dining , drinks, night shows most. One headliner pre scheduled a day would be a huge improvement.

I think that the new FP+ will help our family too in some ways. We would be quite happy to get two pre-reserved headliners a day in one park a day. We know what parks we will generally be in on what day by 60 days out. We enjoy a lot of the second-tier rides as well. We don't tour for hours and hours a day. We like to spend time at the resort and of course eating lol.

Anyway, I think the effect it will have on people will definitely depend on how they tour now.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Anyone else hear a response in recent days from Disney Guest Relations? Back a week or so ago when several folks said they were going to contact Disney with pre-feedback about FP+, I wrote an email and included all my contact info. I got an auto-response saying that they had received my email. No further word, which is OK by me. I was just curious to hear if anyone had anything to add from Disney in recent days that might add to our collected "knowledge" about MB and FP+

 

[Robo]

"Everyone here" does-but we are a small percentage.

We're only a "small percentage" when it serves the purpose to say so.

We're the "vast majority" when it comes to villainous intent to break the rules, over-use and hoard FP's.

Why, to listen to many posts, Disney is changing the entire way they do business based mainly on the super-abusers who frequent the DISboards.


(And, I am only a little bit kidding, based on years of reading these threads.)

 

[jade1]

I think that the new FP+ will help our family too in some ways. We would be quite happy to get two pre-reserved headliners a day in one park a day. We know what parks we will generally be in on what day by 60 days out. We enjoy a lot of the second-tier rides as well. We don't tour for hours and hours a day. We like to spend time at the resort and of course eating lol.

Anyway, I think the effect it will have on people will definitely depend on how they tour now.

Yep, and to show I do feel bad for the early AM folks (if FP+ turns ugly for them) we will be signing up for FP+ afternoon or evening choices-and not entering parks until after noon each day. OK we don't anyway, but maybe more folks wont either so SB may not be as clogged early on.

 

[jade1]

We're only a "small percentage" when it serves the purpose to say so.

We're the "vast majority" when it comes to villainous intent to break the rules, over-use and hoard FP's.

Why, Disney is changing the entire way they do business based mainly on the super-abuser felons who frequent the DISboards.


(And, I am only a little bit kidding, based on years of reading these threads.)

Yep, but we are also the vast majority when it comes to spending money, repeat business, Disney doing things right/correct, importance to Disney's survival as well.

 

[squirrel4569]

We're only a "small percentage" when it serves the purpose to say so.

We're the "vast majority" when it comes to villainous intent to break the rules, over-use and hoard FP's.

Why, to listen to many posts, Disney is changing the entire way they do business based mainly on the super-abusers who frequent the DISboards.


(And, I am only a little bit kidding, based on years of reading these threads.)

It's funny how it works, but it's true. Powerusers of any system are a minority in number but a majority in usage. It happens with internet access all of the time. You have 100 houses in a neighborhood and 95 of them use it to check their email and do minor web surfing. You have 5 houses that download movies and games and do video chatting, etc. Those 5 houses are the minority of users but are the majority of the usage. Many companies actually implement a fair access policy to prevent abuse. You're capped at 150 GB a month. This is to ensure there is bandwidth for all of the users, even if 95 of them aren't likely to use it. And for the 5 power users? 150 GB is typically enough to satisfy all but 1 or 2 of them.

I predict that this will be the case for FP+. The majority of the guests will be perfectly satisfied with the limit that is set (and I think it will be adjusted up, probably to 5) and a very small number of guests will be satisfied after adjusting their strategy and a smaller number still will be completely dissatisfied with the limitations.

 

[Missyrose]

We are not the norm on here though. Kids are 20's and night owls. Still go busy weeks with a teacher in the mix. Have been 30 times so nothing is mandatory any more, but still check on headliners. Headliner FP's are gone well before we arrive and waits are 1 to 2 hours. Enjoy the resorts, dining , drinks, night shows most. One headliner pre scheduled a day would be a huge improvement.

Have actually gotten everyone up and out the door from BCV to IG, went in and everyone else left and went back to bed, eat, swim whatever. That way I could walk across the park and get everyone a FP for TT at least once on the trip. Just so 80's with todays technology. Worse-no screen at IG to even say if TT FP was available-much less posted return times.

How happy with the new system will you be if the headliner times you're present with are between 9:30 and 10:30 a.m.?

 

[d1gitman]

honestly, i don't really think WDW has made a $1b expenditure based on the small group of superusers who in all likelihood prove out the 80/20 rule. at the end of the day, it's Disney trying to build a better mousetrap. They have a fixed max capacity and a predictable history of crowd levels. In the end it's how can they maximize profit. Nothing wrong with that, after all they are a for profit business, not a charity. Wheter or not people like what they decide to do and how they decide to do it always remains to be seen when changes are implemented. Do i believe they put profit first, yes. Do i believe they also look for ways to provide guests with a great experience, yes. There is always a balance between the two. Like any service or product to the public, the public will ultimately have the final say. No one is too big to fail, not even Disney.

 

[jtowntoflorida]

Anyone else hear a response in recent days from Disney Guest Relations? Back a week or so ago when several folks said they were going to contact Disney with pre-feedback about FP+, I wrote an email and included all my contact info. I got an auto-response saying that they had received my email. No further word, which is OK by me. I was just curious to hear if anyone had anything to add from Disney in recent days that might add to our collected "knowledge" about MB and FP+

I, too, wrote an email, with no response. Of course, I emailed them back in January with my thoughts on FP+, and I didn't get a response then, either. They don't like me apparently.

 

[jade1]

How happy with the new system will you be if the headliner times you're present with are between 9:30 and 10:30 a.m.?

Any planner won't run into this IMO.

I will be on at 60 days for one thing. Second I will have no plan to start my first day. Ex we will just search say MK, so Space is already to 9 to 10AM, check Splash, BTMR, same deal-then check TT or Soarin or EE or TSM or RNR or TOT or Fantasmic.

There's just no way they will all be at 9AM 60 days out.

And even if once again the sky is falling worst possible news they are all at 9AM at 60 days-then its no different than my current situation.

I will pass and check on occasion leading up to departure and the days we are at WDW. Far from end of the world stuff.

 

[Missyrose]

Any planner won't run into this IMO.

I will be on at 60 days for one thing. Second I will have no plan to start my first day. Ex we will just search say MK, so Space is already to 9 to 10AM, check Splash, BTMR, same deal-then check TT or Soarin or EE or TSM or RNR or TOT or Fantasmic.

There's just no way they will all be at 9AM 60 days out.

And even if once again the sky is falling worst possible news they are all at 9AM at 60 days-then its no different than my current situation.

I will pass and check on occasion leading up to departure and the days we are at WDW. Far from end of the world stuff.

Who said anything about this being "the end of the world?" It's Disney, not life or death or even real life.

 

[jade1]

honestly, i don't really think WDW has made a $1b expenditure based on the small group of superusers who in all likelihood prove out the 80/20 rule. at the end of the day, it's Disney trying to build a better mousetrap. They have a fixed max capacity and a predictable history of crowd levels. In the end it's how can they maximize profit. Nothing wrong with that, after all they are a for profit business, not a charity. Wheter or not people like what they decide to do and how they decide to do it always remains to be seen when changes are implemented. Do i believe they put profit first, yes. Do i believe they also look for ways to provide guests with a great experience, yes. There is always a balance between the two. Like any service or product to the public, the public will ultimately have the final say. No one is too big to fail, not even Disney.

I agree, plus the $1B is really only 80 cents per visitor over 10 years.

1.25 billion visitors over 10 years at the parks.

 

[jade1]

Who said anything about this being "the end of the world?" It's Disney, not life or death or even real life.

"Disney World"

 

[doconeill]

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