FP+ Details Are Out!

[squirrel4569]

I'm up to 9 hours. MK is is typically open at least 12.

What do they expect I do with the other 3 hours?

Mid-day breaks or the people who don't show up at RD and wander in around 11am or noon.

Did you factor in character M&G? The lines for some move quickly, but Merida at MK takes quite a bit.

 

[d1gitman]

I doubt the average person stays in a park for 12 hours. Just a guess.

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you beat me to it...we might do 1 day on our trip as an open to close, but thats only 1 day. after that we need to recoup.

 

[doconeill]

I doubt the average person stays in a park for 12 hours. Just a guess.

Maybe...we will generally park hop, but that's still park time. I don't know what the average really is.

Mid-day breaks or the people who don't show up at RD and wander in around 11am or noon.

Did you factor in character M&G? The lines for some move quickly, but Merida at MK takes quite a bit.

I'm putting M&G under "attractions"...

 

[lugnut33]

I've never, ever, EVER understood that number.
(And, yes, NINE is the number of attractions that it is claimed "most guests experience in a full day at WDW.")



There's a good reason that I've never, ever, EVER understood that number...

I've never, ever, EVER experienced nearly that FEW attractions in a full day at WDW.

You will going forward, and you'll like it!

 

[Porsche44]

My first thought - this is going to give me a MIGRAINE having to try to PLAN my entire vacation from picking hotel, restaurants and now RIDES!!!!!

I am a Disney fan but even I am shaking my head over how this whole FP+ system got all the way to this point. And I really would never, never, ever spend $24.95 for a BAND shirt, really!

I need to find out who to send an actual letter with a real stamp to voice my concerns regarding the new system. I don't know if it will be seen by anyone or just put into the trash bin, but in my mind it is worth it to voice an opinion that is hand written instead of via email as I am truly re-thinking the plans I have been making for January 2014.

Here is a link for you to send letters of concern directly to WDW Powers That Be. wdw.guest.communications@disneyworld.com

I sent one the other day and got a very good prompt reply. I really want more people to send them letters of concern The more of us that send them these letters the more they will hopefully listen and maybe we can have some influence on the final way the system will work. I strongly (not rudely) expressed my concerns about the rumour that AP holders might be limited to a certain number of FP's per quarter instead of a daily allocation and thankfully it looks like AP holders are going to get that. I also stated my concerns about limiting guests to just 3 FP's a day which is just ridiculous. Hopefully if enough of us complain about this they will issue more. Come on everybody rather than commenting here write an official letter of concern.

 

[Robo]

I doubt the average person stays in a park for 12 hours. Just a guess.

I've been going to Disney for decades.
I know what I can ride and when and why.

Nine attractions?
Nine?

Here's a typical MK day for us (and likely many others here.)
(In rough order)

Peter Pan x2
Winnie the Pooh
Space Mtn.
CoP
Buzz Lightyear x2
Haunted Mansion x2
Jungle Cruise
Splash Mtn. x2
BTM x2
WDW Railroad
Mickey's Philharmagic
TTA PeopleMover
MK Lighted Parade

-that's 18 attraction experiences.

(At the top of the day, add some of the new FL attractions and maybe
cut off a "repeat" ride or two.)

No, not Christmas Week or 4th of July or Easter/Spring Break,
but in Jan., early Feb., May, Late Nov., early Dec.

Anyone here NOT do something at least similar?

 

[momof2n2]

I've been going to Disney for decades.
I know what I can ride and when and why.

Nine attractions?
Nine?

Here's a typical MK day for us (and likely many others here.)
(In rough order)

Peter Pan x2
Winnie the Pooh
Space Mtn.
CoP
Buzz Lightyear x2
Haunted Mansion x2
Jungle Cruise
Splash Mtn. x2
BTM x2
WDW Railroad
Mickey's Philharmagic
TTA PeopleMover
MK Lighted Parade

-that's 18 attraction experiences.

(At the top of the day, add some of the new FL attractions and maybe
cut off a "repeat" ride or two.)

No, not Christmas Week or 4th of July or Easter/Spring Break,
but in Jan., early Feb., May, Late Nov., early Dec.

Anyone here NOT do something at least similar?

I would not drive 21 hours, drop thousands of dollars, make matchy-shirts, and carefully contemplate my ADRs if we were only doing 9 ANYTHING in a day.

We have 9 things wrapped up before lunch. No - not Christmas, New Year's, or July 4th, either. But May, October, & November.

We use 6-7 FP a day depending on the park.

Nine.

Good grief.

 

[mom2rtk]

I would not drive 21 hours, drop thousands of dollars, make matchy-shirts, and carefully contemplate my ADRs if we were only doing 9 ANYTHING in a day.

We have 9 things wrapped up before lunch. No - not Christmas, New Year's, or July 4th, either. But May, October, & November.

We use 6-7 FP a day depending on the park.

Nine.

Good grief.

LOL, I love that reply.

 

[d1gitman]

I've been going to Disney for decades.
I know what I can ride and when and why.

Nine attractions?
Nine?

Here's a typical MK day for us (and likely many others here.)
(In rough order)

Peter Pan x2
Winnie the Pooh
Space Mtn.
CoP
Buzz Lightyear x2
Haunted Mansion x2
Jungle Cruise
Splash Mtn. x2
BTM x2
WDW Railroad
Mickey's Philharmagic
TTA PeopleMover
MK Lighted Parade

-that's 18 attraction experiences.

(At the top of the day, add some of the new FL attractions and maybe
cut off a "repeat" ride or two.)

No, not Christmas Week or 4th of July or Easter/Spring Break,
but in Jan., early Feb., May, Late Nov., early Dec.

Anyone here NOT do something at least similar?

yes, but you are the exception, not the rule...and i mean that in the highest order of compliments. it would be unwise to compare your knowledge and experience and how you apply that compared to the collective masses.

maybe attraction experiences is meant as fast passable attractions...go thru your list and only count the one that are fast passable under the current FP system. that's much closer to 9. TTA, parades are not FP items under non FP+ system....just like Frontier Land Shooting Arcade, Tom Sawyer Island, Swiss Robinson Treehouse, etc....

beyond that, there are lots of people who do not pack as much in during a day. most of my friend who go to WDW will do 1/2 day at a time and head back to the resort for other activities. technically my DW doesn't do half of the attraction that our DS's and myself do. so i can see where an average of 9 is derived from. i'd say a lot less guests are full day, planners, power users than most of us DIS'rs think.

 

[Robo]

maybe attraction experiences is meant as fast passable attractions...go thru your list and only count the one that are fast passable under the current FP system.

Nope. Not just FP rides.

That "9 attractions per day" is an often quoted Disney stat.

Nine attractions per day.
Period.

And, yes, I know my way around the place, but it's not rocket surgery.

Look at an attraction list, decide what to ride, do a bit of research...
many folks can be "Junior Disney Ride-Masters," too.

 

[squirrel4569]

Here is a link for you to send letters of concern directly to WDW Powers That Be. wdw.guest.communications@disneyworld.com

I sent one the other day and got a very good prompt reply. I really want more people to send them letters of concern The more of us that send them these letters the more they will hopefully listen and maybe we can have some influence on the final way the system will work. I strongly (not rudely) expressed my concerns about the rumour that AP holders might be limited to a certain number of FP's per quarter instead of a daily allocation and thankfully it looks like AP holders are going to get that. I also stated my concerns about limiting guests to just 3 FP's a day which is just ridiculous. Hopefully if enough of us complain about this they will issue more. Come on everybody rather than commenting here write an official letter of concern.

Good plan. I just sent off an email to them.

 

[mom2rtk]

Nope. Not just FP rides.

That "9 attractions per day" is an often quoted Disney stat.

Nine attractions per day.
Period.

And, yes, I know my way around the place, but it's not rocket surgery.

Look at an attraction list, decide what to ride, do a bit of research...
many folks can be "Junior Disney Ride-Masters," too.

Yes Robo. You should give up some of those attractions for the greater good.

Just swing by Guest Relations n your way out of the park and explain. I'm sure they'll refund half of your admission price since you will have cut your attraction total in half.

 

[Robo]

Yes Robo. You should give up some of those attractions for the greater good.

Just swing by Guest Relations n your way out of the park and explain. I'm sure they'll refund half of your admission price since you will have cut your attraction total in half.

I want it in back in the form of a Universal Studios gift card.

 

[dwheaton]

Glad to see the link on there for posting messages to Disney. I'll be doing that very soon. This information doesn't surprise me given what we've heard in the past, and I know that it may not be exactly true. However, I don't foresee a scenario where everything we've heard is false. Disney is going forward with FP+ because they are considering the average guest who doesn't mind riding the big attractions just once and doesn't really even understand the current FP system.

When we went in 2012, my daughter was just shy of three at the time, so our number of attractions was lower. It was probably more in the zone of nine. Still, that seems very low and is only because of her being so young. When we went before the kids, we easily did 15-20 attractions each day, and that's conservative.

I'm not really in the "I don't plan my vacation" camp. I do usually enjoy planning out our trips and thinking about what we'll do. For me, what FP+ removes is the flexibility to adjust on the fly. It knocks down the ability to park hop, and it likely will have a negative impact on standby lines (just my assumption obviously). It also penalizes people who don't book through Disney. Currently, I would just use the normal FP and take my chances. We probably won't get back for another year or more since we had a baby this year, so I expect that regular FP will be gone when we get there. That makes me very nervous.

I'm hoping that touring experts will find ways around the system and the best methods to use by the time we arrive. If it's a mess and there aren't ways to adjust, it's going to be interesting.

 

[mom2rtk]

I want it in back in the form of a Universal Studios gift card.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I've been going to Disney for decades.
I know what I can ride and when and why.

Nine attractions?
Nine?

Here's a typical MK day for us (and likely many others here.)
(In rough order)

Peter Pan x2
Winnie the Pooh
Space Mtn.
CoP
Buzz Lightyear x2
Haunted Mansion x2
Jungle Cruise
Splash Mtn. x2
BTM x2
WDW Railroad
Mickey's Philharmagic
TTA PeopleMover
MK Lighted Parade

-that's 18 attraction experiences.

(At the top of the day, add some of the new FL attractions and maybe
cut off a "repeat" ride or two.)

No, not Christmas Week or 4th of July or Easter/Spring Break,
but in Jan., early Feb., May, Late Nov., early Dec.

Anyone here NOT do something at least similar?

Ummm... I'm not saying that you don't do 18/day... or that many of us here haven't. All I said was that I doubt that the AVERAGE guest spends an AVERAGE of 12hrs/day in parks on a Disney vacation.

Aggregate stats like this are obviously necessarily based on an "average" guest on an "average" day. How else should they do it?

I'm sure they consider outliers like yourself - and many of us here - but we are outliers. Don't you know people who thought they had a great day at WDW because they "managed to do SIX rides"? I do. And they're considered in the average.

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[doconeill]

The funny thing about averages...the average value can actually wind up representing absolutely nobody...

As an extreme example, let's say there are a bunch of easy going, half-day types. They get 5 attractions in, and are happy. Then there are and equal number of the more Robo-level people, who regularly get 13 attractions in. Anything less is not a good day.

The average is nine.

Now, Disney implements restrictions such that it is at least very difficult for anyone to do more than 9-10, because that's what the average was.

Who wins?

The easy-goers don't actually care. Their day is unaffected. And they were already happy.

The Robos, however, lose 3-4 attractions a day. They are not happy.

So what happened to your _average_ guest satisfaction?

And that plays out with the whole guest population, really. Among guests who are currently happy with what they get, half of them aren't going to care about the other half being restricted and still be happy, and the other half will be unhappy.

So, for this "Nine" to have any meaning, they must have at least as many guests who currently get less than nine per day and are being recorded as unhappy, and who at least being given a greater chance at reaching nine will make them happy, than they do who currently get more than that and will be unhappy to be reduced to nine.

At least, if this is all about guest satisfaction.

 

[vacationer1954]

It sound that the only people who are going to ride fewer rides because of this are the people who already ride more rides.

 

[Lindy Loo]

Coming from the uk the mde app often doesnt work! I dont want to take my expensive mobile to a theme park. I dont want to book rides months in advance. I may like to park hop..... but wont pay extra and then not have any fp for both parks.
Perhaps we should skip Disney and stay with ioa and universal. You dont need a degree in fp+ and I won't be stressed.

PLEASE DISNEY DO NOT DO THIS BEFORE SEPTEMBER! !!!!!!

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

The funny thing about averages...the average value can actually wind up representing absolutely nobody...
.

ITA! I'm a big stats person. MBA, Masters in Finance, and all that boring stuff.

Designing a new (improved?) offering that satisfies "most" guests is obviously WAY more complicated than one aggregate stat like avg number of attractions per day by an avg guest! It's only ONE metric to think about -- and that's all I was commenting on.

They most definitely study many metrics (median, distribution around the mean, etc). And we know they LOVE surveys and focus groups. So much is going into this. Doesn't mean it will be a success, and by definition they can't make everyone happy. Fingers crossed on our end that we'll like where they end up.

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