FP+ and Last Minute Trips

[jade1]

The fact that people are having an easier time booking FP+ without being online at midnight at 60 days doesn't negate the experience of those of us who had trips earlier this year who did not have 100% availability at midnight at 60 days, or who did not have the availability to change FP+ around in the park to whatever they wanted while they were there.

Nice to see the conversation has gone from midnight at 60 days any time, to midnight at 60 days for peak, to midnight at 60 days for XMAS or NYE, to 30 days for each, to 1 week for each, to the night before for each, to ONE park EPCOT for NYE 4 days in advance.

 

[Laketravis]

Considering the continued insistence by some to compare FP and FP+, it's worth noting how one would start each day with 100% availability yet the other is now praised and considered "successful" for having some availability several days or weeks prior.

Am I the only one who sees the irony of that? That Disney magic is really working.

 

[Angel Ariel]

The tone of your post came across as quite dismissive, as though the "need" to be online at midnight at 60 days was never really a need at all (which would be how it's now "moved to" being what you stated).

If that wasn't the intent, then I apologize, but given the entire tone of this conversation, that's what it came across as to me.

 

[jade1]

Nice to see the conversation has gone from midnight at 60 days any time, to midnight at 60 days for peak, to midnight at 60 days for XMAS or NYE, to 30 days for each, to 1 week for each, to the night before for each, to ONE park EPCOT for NYE 4 days in advance.

The tone of your post came across as quite dismissive, as though the "need" to be online at midnight at 60 days was never really a need at all (which would be how it's now "moved to" being what you stated).

If that wasn't the intent, then I apologize, but given the entire tone of this conversation, that's what it came across as to me.

 

[Laketravis]

Nice to see the conversation has gone from midnight at 60 days any time, to midnight at 60 days for peak, to midnight at 60 days for XMAS or NYE, to 30 days for each, to 1 week for each, to the night before for each, to ONE park EPCOT for NYE 4 days in advance.

It hasn't "gone from", it has simply expanded to include.

We got 5 TT and SE 2 days ago for NYE.

Iger would be quite proud. What an accomplishment, right? That certainly was never possible before!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Considering the continued insistence by some to compare FP and FP+, it's worth noting how one would start each day with 100% availability yet the other is now praised and considered "successful" for having some availability several days or weeks prior.

Am I the only one who sees the irony of that? That Disney magic is really working.

Insistence or logical comparison? When one complains of a change, either prior was the same (at minimum) or better (at optimum) in comparison.

And no more ironic than noting that 100% availability at the very beginning of the day diminishes as the day progresses and often quite swiftly for the popular attractions that some are sad there is no availability in the morning.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It hasn't "gone from", it has simply expanded to include.



Iger would be quite proud. What an accomplishment, right? That certainly was never possible before!

Or it metamorphosized.

Think of how different your opinion would have been if you had made New Year's Eve 2 days ago.

 

[jade1]

Iger would be quite proud. What an accomplishment, right? That certainly was never possible before!

It wasnt, if you arrived (last minute) that day which my DSIL and family are.

As for us, we have nye preview fireworks at MK and will be closing MK after at 3am. Just reserved 7dwarfs space and thunder this week for that night.

We will not be arriving nye am at epcot so this will be perfect.

 

[Laketravis]

It wasnt, if you arrived (last minute) that day which mt DSIL and family are. We will not be arriving nye am at epcot so this will be perfect.

Yet this is how it now looks. Appears to be an inverse benefit. In some ways it's better (you could get FP's for later in the evening without having to go in the AM) and in some ways it's not (someone willing to go in the AM can't get any at all now):

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[Laketravis]

Or it metamorphosized.

Think of how different your opinion would have been if you had made New Year's Eve 2 days ago.

My opinion would not have changed - I still believe it's a roll of the dice at any given point in time and a ridiculous exercise in effort for a tiny amount of yield.

Yet the impact can be wide ranging - in this case, (NYE), it could save a couple of hours of waiting in line.

I mean, seriously - we're patting each other on the back because we got an FP several days or weeks in advance for something that lasts all of 50 seconds?

THAT is what the conversation has come to.

 

[jade1]

I would keep checking (although I would have and did earlier), or choose another park if not acceptable.

Everyone knows (hopefully including WDW) that EPCOT is the least likely to be successful for NYE a few days before. The fact it was available the week before (and the other parks still are) is a relief to a lot of us that were told there would be nothing even at 59 days out.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The tone of your post came across as quite dismissive, as though the "need" to be online at midnight at 60 days was never really a need at all (which would be how it's now "moved to" being what you stated).

If that wasn't the intent, then I apologize, but given the entire tone of this conversation, that's what it came across as to me.

What you see as dismissive is people pointing out concrete incidents where that 60 day window is not as necessary as people are being led to believe. It is a feature, but not something to dedicate your life to save one ride and one meet and greet.

Parades could be argued--however, the addition of parades came with FP+. Legacy FP was not offered for them.

Dismissive seems to be a word tossed freely around to dismiss the opinions of others.


What is being dismissed, indeed, is the assertion that absolute statements can be made that Certain scenarios are no longer a possibility.

We can split hairs over specific incidences that did not work to a guests preferences for when they tried to do things, but they do not make the absolute statements (last minute trips are no more, spontenity is not possible, planning is Required) any more true for the system as a whole.

Last minute planning (spanning a varying degree of definitions apparently from morning of to night before to 4 days, a week or more) is possible. Mocking that only captain EO is available is not a valid argument. Because more than that is available, and maybe we wiggle parks around if we want a better experience than what rides do remain at the specific desired park.

There are specific factors that do influence where prudence comes into play, but that was the case prior to FP+ as well.

And that is not inherently dismissive. But I don't mind if you dismiss my post with a specific example--because I did not dismiss specific examples. Again, it is the absolute claims being made are the problem.

And when such statements are made on any topic, it is impossible to back up because one or a hundred examples will discredit such claims of all or every.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

My opinion would not have changed - I still believe it's a roll of the dice at any given point in time and a ridiculous exercise in effort for a tiny amount of yield.

Yet the impact can be wide ranging - in this case, (NYE), it could save a couple of hours of waiting in line.

I mean, seriously - we're patting each other on the back because we got an FP several days or weeks in advance for something that lasts all of 50 seconds?

THAT is what the conversation has come to.

No--it is a conversation you and others made.

I think it is less of a roll of the dice than you believe it to be. But you seem set in your paradigm.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I would keep checking (although I would have and did earlier), or choose another park if not acceptable.

Everyone knows (hopefully including WDW) that EPCOT is the least likely to be successful for NYE a few days before. The fact it was available the week before (and the other parks still are) is a relief to a lot of us that were told there would be nothing even at 59 days out.

I am surprised what I saw available for MK.

 

[Laketravis]

I don't mind if you dismiss my post with a specific example--because I did not dismiss specific examples. Again, it is the absolute claims being made are the problem.

It is interesting that you claim that, because my post was simply:

We were thinking of maybe popping into Epcot this coming Wednesday but just checked FP's and neither Test Track nor Soarin are available.

That is not an absolute claim about anything, it was a specific example. An observation, really.

Which you then summarily dismissed:

But yet I got his same attractions tomorrow with free choice of times. And he wants NYE last minute. While full capacity under the old way would be available at park open, it would quickly diminish. I would expect that reservations for top choices on top days would not be available. It isn't in a vacuum. Legacy fast pass only allowed one at a time until it was used or a 2 hour window elapsed. On New Year's Eve, the chances of getting 3 FPs would be minimized due to crowds.

And the two posters have posted on other threads regarding the end of spontenity and how it is gone forever. Yet the defintion remains fluid and they always find an excuse of why someone's success is invalid. It could be that the date was too far in advance that it doesn't qualify as spontaneous or that a specific ride is not available so they means it does not count.

Now--same day, MK--I can get ALL headliners in New Year's Eve per Travis' calendar parameter. Granted, mine train is at 11pm and it is my only choice for time that is coming up. But, it IS available. Right now today at 4pm Eastern via MDE.

And then you go even further by classifying my original post as "complaining" and accusing me of having some cagey grand plan to set the stage for some sort of Universal promotion:

But it just looks like you are baiting for the perfection that will be your Universal trip. So maybe you should enjoy the awesome features you are paying for at that park with your planning to ensure that hotel reservation and stop complaining about a park you initially had no intentions of going to. I wonder, is your same room available for booking now? If so, wouldn't it make sense to stick with the original holiday week you had planned?

Wow. Gotta wonder why my original statement would set you off on such a tailspin.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Bolding certain words doesn't change how your post originally came across to me. The words "nice to see" can just as easily be sarcastic as they can be sincere.

Like I said, I'm honestly sorry if I took it in a way that you didn't intend it. You can accept the apology or not.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It is interesting that you claim that, because my post was simply:



That is not an absolute claim about anything, it was a specific example.

Which you then summarily dismissed:



And then you go even further by classifying my original post as "complaining" and accusing me of having some cagey grand plan to set the stage for some sort of Universal promotion:



Wow. Gotta wonder why my original statement would set you off on such a tailspin.

I am drawing from many posts you have made. There is no "tailspin". There is me, with a cold, killing time conversing about the topic at hand.

Let's not forget you accused me twice of only looking for one person. If anyone is in a tailspin, it is you. I did not falsely accuse you of not being able to make a FP+, now did I?

And cagey grand plan? No. But you have posted your plans and recalling that is not a crime, is it?

 

[Angel Ariel]

What you see as dismissive is people pointing out concrete incidents where that 60 day window is not as necessary as people are being led to believe. It is a feature, but not something to dedicate your life to save one ride and one meet and greet.

This is the attitude to which I was referring earlier. I'm not negating the fact that there are concrete incidents where that 60 day window is not as necessary as people are being led to believe. I never said such a thing.

What I DID say was the fact that people are having an easier time of such things now does not change the ALSO concrete incidents where others *have* had to be online at 60 days, or where others *have not had* the flexibility to change FP+ around in the park.

Dismissive seems to be a word tossed freely around to dismiss the opinions of others.

What is being dismissed, indeed, is the assertion that absolute statements can be made that Certain scenarios are no longer a possibility.

I never made absolute statements, nor did what I say dismiss the fact that others have had an easier time booking FP+. I fact, I specifically said that I was *happy* for those who were having an easier time of it than we did. How in the world stating that I'm happy for those people is somehow dismissing their experiences is beyond me.

We can split hairs over specific incidences that did not work to a guests preferences for when they tried to do things, but they do not make the absolute statements (last minute trips are no ore, spontenity is not possible, planning is Required) any more true for the system as a whole.

Again, I never made such absolute statements, so why this is directed at me, I don't know.

 

[Laketravis]

I am drawing from many posts you have made. There is no "tailspin". There is me, with a cold, killing time conversing about the topic at hand.

Let's not forget you accused me twice of only looking for one person. If anyone is in a tailspin, it is you. I did not falsely accuse you of not being able to make a FP+, now did I?

And cagey grand plan? No. But you have posted your plans and recalling that is not a crime, is it?

And those plans have to be "absolute"? I suppose we weren't allowed to think that maybe one of those days we'd like to go over to Epcot, and Wednesday happened to be the day it would work out?

Because I had already posted our plans, right? Which you just happened to recall?

This is obviously way more important to you for some reason than it is to me. So I'll leave you with it, and my original statement:

We were thinking of maybe popping into Epcot this coming Wednesday but just checked FP's and neither Test Track nor Soarin are available.

'nuff said. Hope you get to feeling better.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

This is the attitude to which I was referring earlier. I'm not negating the fact that there are concrete incidents where that 60 day window is not as necessary as people are being led to believe. I never said such a thing.

What I DID say was the fact that people are having an easier time of such things now does not change the ALSO concrete incidents where others *have* had to be online at 60 days, or where others *have not had* the flexibility to change FP+ around in the park.



I never made absolute statements, nor did what I say dismiss the fact that others have had an easier time booking FP+. I fact, I specifically said that I was *happy* for those who were having an easier time of it than we did. How in the world stating that I'm happy for those people is somehow dismissing their experiences is beyond me.




Again, I never made such absolute statements, so why this is directed at me, I don't know.

Most of my comments were made prior to your entry into this discussion in this thread. You commented on the time of the thread and used the term dismissive and the thread tone and I was referencing that. In no way was I attributing anything else to you. But you seem to infer that quite a bit.