Foster parenting/adopting

I say do it. Here's why. You are already concerned enough to have had serious discussions about it and I believe if you don't, you will always wonder what if and most likely feel guilty the rest of your life. You will love that baby like your own and it will be so incredibly special each time he/she learns something new because you will know what he/she has had to overcome and that you've been responsible for these new milestones being reached. What a wonderful opportunity you have to make an actual, tangible difference in someone's life, as well as your own. I say go for it.
Oh my goodness, no. Did you read the OP? The thread? OP was not looking to adopt or foster, she was approached out of the blue. She is not certified in any way and does/did not realize all that goes into this. You simply can't adopt a child in the system just because you feel like it. And. Something is just NOT right about this whole situation. 1+1 is not equaling 2 here.
 
Having successfully completed foster-adoption, please consult your own (unbiased) attorney. Of course you want to help this baby! Yet, you need someone impartially advising you. Best of luck! Praying for these kids and for your family. If you do go forward just know that these are LIFE LONG issues.
 
Oh my goodness, no. Did you read the OP? The thread? OP was not looking to adopt or foster, she was approached out of the blue. She is not certified in any way and does/did not realize all that goes into this. You simply can't adopt a child in the system just because you feel like it. And. Something is just NOT right about this whole situation. 1+1 is not equaling 2 here.
Agree 100%. OP needs to proceed with extreme caution, it sounds like a targeted approach.
 
I am not saying the OP should do it or should not do it. But I have to say that guilt is an absolutely horrible reason to adopt a child. There is no reason why the OP should feel like they HAVE to adopt this child or feel guilty for NOT wanting to adopt this child. It's not a family member, and even then, one should not agree to take on a lifetime of care for a child they are only adopting out of guilt. Please read up on what adoptees have to say about adoptive parents who adopt out of guilt or because they feel like they are "rescuing" a child. There is generally a huge amount of resentment on the part of the child. There are SO many people out there who want to adopt because they are prepared for it, and want to adopt more than anything else on this earth. If the OP doesn't feel like this is something they really want to do, with their whole heart and soul, they should let one of those other families out there adopt. Every child, and especially a child who has already been relinquished by the birth family, deserves to be loved and wanted, not taken in out of guilt.

I am not trying to pick on you at all for your post, I truly know you mean well and want to see this child find a home. But I don't want to see a bad situation worse by someone feeling pressured to do something out of shame or guilt when that will actually have likely the opposite of the desired effect and not be in the best interest of either the child or the adoptive parents. https://www.thespruce.com/reasons-not-to-adopt-a-child-26585
The choice to adopt a child, especially one that is not free to adopt is a difficult one and no one should try and pressure the potential parents either way. In our case we have been through a tremendous amount of stress. It has impacted our marriage, family (immediate and extended) and our lifestyle. Financially we get by when we should be thriving because we have legal bills that total tens of thousands of dollars some months. We have paid around $300,000 in legal and other related expenses. Fortunately, much of it is reimbursed due to the contract we had with the foster/adoption agency but we still have to juggle the bills until its paid. We had articles written in legal and mainstream papers about our case and some of the comments included threats against us and our family. So we are always on guard and making sure our kids are safe. And we did everything "right". We went through the proper training. We were placed with a child from a licensed agency. We did all the visits and follow-up we had to. But we still ended up in a multi-year legal battle.

But I wouldn't go back and change a thing - well maybe one thing, catch the issue that got us sent up to and back down from the Supreme Court. Our dd completed our family. She is my bio dds best friend and sister. I didn't have to try and love her, I just did. Its not to say there aren't issues. She has been in therapy for over a year. She knows her adoption is not finalized and sometimes that impacts how she responds to things. She always feels she has to be good. But she's my daughter and I'm her mommy and that is how it will be no matter the ultimate outcome of our court case. But we didn't rescue her. We didn't even get into fostering to adopt. It just happened.
 

This was out of the blue. I work in healthcare. The aunt came to me through a mutual friend. But, I don't know why she asked me to take the baby. I didn't ask her that. She said they have one month to find a home for the baby, then the baby becomes a permanent ward of the state. She said she worries that if the baby is adopted out of foster care, she will never have contact with him/her again. She said she wants to know that the baby goes to a loving home. She worries about the baby getting "lost" in the foster system.

We have never considered adoption before. We have 2 kids of our own, ages 16 and 13.

Why are they not taking the baby with the other 2? Just seems odd that they'd agree to adopt 2 of the kids, but not the 3rd?
 
The choice to adopt a child, especially one that is not free to adopt is a difficult one and no one should try and pressure the potential parents either way. In our case we have been through a tremendous amount of stress. It has impacted our marriage, family (immediate and extended) and our lifestyle. Financially we get by when we should be thriving because we have legal bills that total tens of thousands of dollars some months. We have paid around $300,000 in legal and other related expenses. Fortunately, much of it is reimbursed due to the contract we had with the foster/adoption agency but we still have to juggle the bills until its paid. We had articles written in legal and mainstream papers about our case and some of the comments included threats against us and our family. So we are always on guard and making sure our kids are safe. And we did everything "right". We went through the proper training. We were placed with a child from a licensed agency. We did all the visits and follow-up we had to. But we still ended up in a multi-year legal battle.

But I wouldn't go back and change a thing - well maybe one thing, catch the issue that got us sent up to and back down from the Supreme Court. Our dd completed our family. She is my bio dds best friend and sister. I didn't have to try and love her, I just did. Its not to say there aren't issues. She has been in therapy for over a year. She knows her adoption is not finalized and sometimes that impacts how she responds to things. She always feels she has to be good. But she's my daughter and I'm her mommy and that is how it will be no matter the ultimate outcome of our court case. But we didn't rescue her. We didn't even get into fostering to adopt. It just happened.
She's so lucky to have a family that supports her through her issues. Some families think " oh they'll be fine once we bring them 'home' " and that just makes me cringe because that's the start of a lifetime of adjustments, not the end.

My daughter is in her twenties now and will always have multiple issues (reactive attachment disorder, FAS, bipolar, ODD,etc.) and the kids that have families standing behind them and helping them to get the support and professional help they may need, it helps those kids to know they are loved unconditionally.
 
She's so lucky to have a family that supports her through her issues. Some families think " oh they'll be fine once we bring them 'home' " and that just makes me cringe because that's the start of a lifetime of adjustments, not the end.

My daughter is in her twenties now and will always have multiple issues (reactive attachment disorder, FAS, bipolar, ODD,etc.) and the kids that have families standing behind them and helping them to get the support and professional help they may need, it helps those kids to know they are loved unconditionally.
we are the lucky ones. She is an incredible child that brings joy to everyone who knows her. I worry a little more about her than perhaps I should, but I try to stem my helicopter tendencies.
 
we are the lucky ones. She is an incredible child that brings joy to everyone who knows her. I worry a little more about her than perhaps I should, but I try to stem my helicopter tendencies.
Absolutely. I feel the same way. And I say the same thing to friends who say my children are lucky. My life wouldn't be the same without my children. My point was the support she is receiving is invaluable.
 
Why are they not taking the baby with the other 2? Just seems odd that they'd agree to adopt 2 of the kids, but not the 3rd?

The 3rd is significantly younger. Maybe they don't think they can take that on, particularly when the older two seem to have some fairly significant needs. Maybe they feel the youngest is just too young for them to take on at their age.
 
As many others have said, you need to proceed with *extreme* caution because something isn't right here. Since the children are already in the legal system, your aunt doesn't get to just decide where the baby goes. For that matter, she doesn't get to just decide to adopt the older two kids. The courts will make a decision they feel is in the best interest of the children. While details vary a little by location, generally courts are going to prioritize staying with family (the more immediate, the better) and also having siblings stay together. If they can find any relatives from either side (including dads side) who is willing to adopt all three kids, they will almost certainly go with that before having the aunt keep the two and having a non-relative take the baby.
Also, your husbands feelings about it needing to be permanent are totally understandable, but aren't possible or reasonable. Until parental rights have been terminated for both parents and the adoption is finalized in your family, it isn't permanent and something can change.
He *must* accept that or else not even consider the situation.

You definitely need more details from the children's social workers and you also need some sort of unbiased factual info specific to where you live and where the children live from a social worker or attorney.
 
Absolutely. I feel the same way. And I say the same thing to friends who say my children are lucky. My life wouldn't be the same without my children. My point was the support she is receiving is invaluable.
my gut reaction when people say how lucky she is, especially when they say it in front of her, is to explain why WE are the lucky ones to have her in our lives. Just like we are lucky to have our bio dd in our lives.
 
The choice to adopt a child, especially one that is not free to adopt is a difficult one and no one should try and pressure the potential parents either way. In our case we have been through a tremendous amount of stress. It has impacted our marriage, family (immediate and extended) and our lifestyle. Financially we get by when we should be thriving because we have legal bills that total tens of thousands of dollars some months. We have paid around $300,000 in legal and other related expenses. Fortunately, much of it is reimbursed due to the contract we had with the foster/adoption agency but we still have to juggle the bills until its paid. We had articles written in legal and mainstream papers about our case and some of the comments included threats against us and our family. So we are always on guard and making sure our kids are safe. And we did everything "right". We went through the proper training. We were placed with a child from a licensed agency. We did all the visits and follow-up we had to. But we still ended up in a multi-year legal battle.

But I wouldn't go back and change a thing - well maybe one thing, catch the issue that got us sent up to and back down from the Supreme Court. Our dd completed our family. She is my bio dds best friend and sister. I didn't have to try and love her, I just did. Its not to say there aren't issues. She has been in therapy for over a year. She knows her adoption is not finalized and sometimes that impacts how she responds to things. She always feels she has to be good. But she's my daughter and I'm her mommy and that is how it will be no matter the ultimate outcome of our court case. But we didn't rescue her. We didn't even get into fostering to adopt. It just happened.

I totally agree, no one should try to pressure an adoptive family either way. I'm an adoptive parent as well, and also wouldn't change a thing. We went into it with our eyes wide open and training in what to expect, and still nothing can prepare you for what it's like when certain things do come up. So different to read about something than it is to experience first hand. Best of luck to you and your DD and I pray her adoption is finalized soon, you've obviously been through an exceptionally long and stressful time of it--I'm so sorry!
 
my gut reaction when people say how lucky she is, especially when they say it in front of her, is to explain why WE are the lucky ones to have her in our lives. Just like we are lucky to have our bio dd in our lives.

DD's preschool teacher at our first parent teacher conference kept commenting on how luck DD was that she was adopted. It was so uncomfortable and I kept trying to shut her down. Yup - we're absolutely the lucky ones.
 
Why are they not taking the baby with the other 2? Just seems odd that they'd agree to adopt 2 of the kids, but not the 3rd?
Taking any child is a big decision. Taking a baby is totally different. In addition, taking 3 children, two that may need life long care? Much more than taking 2 children.
 
Something seems very off here-this should be done through an agency or social worker. This aunt should not just be able to approach others and ask them to care for this baby. That's not how it works. The point of any foster care situation is eventual reunification with family, be it the parents or extended. The courts will lean more towards a family/kinship placement in a lot of situations, even if a non-relative placement appears "better". If family has the capability to care for the child in even a moderate capacity, then that's where the courts will lean. Also, it's really crucial to try and keep siblings together in a foster care/adoption situation. I understand that the aunt didn't know about the infant, but if she is not able to take in all three kids, she should be proactively trying to find a home that can.

Adopting through the foster care system requires certifications, homestudies, training, etc, and it doesn't sound like you have any of that yet.

It won't matter if the mother has no parental rights, family placement is priority in most court systems. And with older children in the home, older children who were not prepped for this in any way, I wouldn't do this. Especially if it will affect your DD's college fund. That's not fair to her. And I know what those kids went through wasn't fair either, but it's two very different situations and backgrounds.

Again, something seems very weird about this.
 
I guess, I just don't think I could ever consider taking a set of siblings, but leaving one behind.

This. And babies aren't babies for very long. I just feel...it's weird. They say they want contact and they want control over where the baby goes but they don't want the baby. I also cannot imagine explaining to the baby later that "we care about you, we just didn't want you". Or explaining it to the older siblings. There's a 10 year difference between me and my younger sister. She drives me crazy. But I really would not have understood nor forgiven it if my parents died and relatives split us up when she was a baby. I feel like the legal system makes it a priority of place siblings together because of people like these relatives.
 
This. And babies aren't babies for very long. I just feel...it's weird. They say they want contact and they want control over where the baby goes but they don't want the baby. I also cannot imagine explaining to the baby later that "we care about you, we just didn't want you". Or explaining it to the older siblings. There's a 10 year difference between me and my younger sister. She drives me crazy. But I really would not have understood nor forgiven it if my parents died and relatives split us up when she was a baby. I feel like the legal system makes it a priority of place siblings together because of people like these relatives.

The legal system makes it a priority because the thinking is it allows children as much of a biological family as is possible in their circumstances. Sometimes it just isn't feasible to keep all siblings together, but then a solution is sought where the adoptive families are willing to make the ongoing sibling contact and bond a priority. I've seen cases where children are split between two aunts, an aunt and an uncle, some cousins to ease the split but keep it family. I've also seen where adoptive families unrelated to the children but related to the other adopted families take the children and maintain the family bond in that way. Generally in cases I've seen where siblings aren't placed for adoption in a single household it is because of a large number of siblings, or multiple siblings with very special needs, or a large number of siblings who may share a common parent but for convoluted circumstances have never lived together as siblings. Plenty of times kids removed in abuse and neglect cases have lived together like siblings for a period of time and in fact are not biological, adopted or step siblngs -- yet have bonds as if they are. Because they do not share common biological parents it can be very difficult trying to keep their legal cases on parallel courses in the event TPR occurs and a possibility exists of placing them for adoption together.

I get that in black and white on paper it all seems so common sense, but sometimes things just don't all line up the way we want them to in these cases. I think it would be truly shocking to a lot of people, even a lot of people who've been on the waiting end, hoping to help a child(ren) they love have a stable and loving home just how hard it is for the case workers, the attorneys, the referees, the judges and everybody else involved in this type of work to deal with trying to make these situations work out well. I have dealt with some case workers several times over the years who I thought were honestly useless and didn't care about the kids and weren't doing what needed to be done in cases I was involved with. More than once circumstances revealed to me just how much some of these same workers were invested in these cases, and sometimes how badly they were affected when things went sideways.

When I got involved with these kinds of cases about a dozen years ago I found some of the things I thought I knew upended by the realities I discovered. Even in cases where I know kids desperately need their parents' rights terminated so the children can have some stability and be allowed to flourish, it is still a very strange and sobering thing to sit there and listen to a judge or referee make a ruling that a parent's rights are terminated, or sit and listen while a parent goes through the technicalities of the law to relinquish their rights voluntarily. I've sat there happy and relieved for the kids, completely disgusted and appalled by the parents, yet my heart felt like some queer, semi hard cement because I understand those ties are severed and somehow it always feels against nature to separate children and parents. Only one time did I only feel joy and relief for the child with no heavy heart about the bond severed, but that's a story too painful to share.
 
The legal system makes it a priority because the thinking is it allows children as much of a biological family as is possible in their circumstances. Sometimes it just isn't feasible to keep all siblings together, but then a solution is sought where the adoptive families are willing to make the ongoing sibling contact and bond a priority. I've seen cases where children are split between two aunts, an aunt and an uncle, some cousins to ease the split but keep it family. I've also seen where adoptive families unrelated to the children but related to the other adopted families take the children and maintain the family bond in that way. Generally in cases I've seen where siblings aren't placed for adoption in a single household it is because of a large number of siblings, or multiple siblings with very special needs, or a large number of siblings who may share a common parent but for convoluted circumstances have never lived together as siblings. Plenty of times kids removed in abuse and neglect cases have lived together like siblings for a period of time and in fact are not biological, adopted or step siblngs -- yet have bonds as if they are. Because they do not share common biological parents it can be very difficult trying to keep their legal cases on parallel courses in the event TPR occurs and a possibility exists of placing them for adoption together.

I get that in black and white on paper it all seems so common sense, but sometimes things just don't all line up the way we want them to in these cases. I think it would be truly shocking to a lot of people, even a lot of people who've been on the waiting end, hoping to help a child(ren) they love have a stable and loving home just how hard it is for the case workers, the attorneys, the referees, the judges and everybody else involved in this type of work to deal with trying to make these situations work out well. I have dealt with some case workers several times over the years who I thought were honestly useless and didn't care about the kids and weren't doing what needed to be done in cases I was involved with. More than once circumstances revealed to me just how much some of these same workers were invested in these cases, and sometimes how badly they were affected when things went sideways.

When I got involved with these kinds of cases about a dozen years ago I found some of the things I thought I knew upended by the realities I discovered. Even in cases where I know kids desperately need their parents' rights terminated so the children can have some stability and be allowed to flourish, it is still a very strange and sobering thing to sit there and listen to a judge or referee make a ruling that a parent's rights are terminated, or sit and listen while a parent goes through the technicalities of the law to relinquish their rights voluntarily. I've sat there happy and relieved for the kids, completely disgusted and appalled by the parents, yet my heart felt like some queer, semi hard cement because I understand those ties are severed and somehow it always feels against nature to separate children and parents. Only one time did I only feel joy and relief for the child with no heavy heart about the bond severed, but that's a story too painful to share.

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I agree that there is just so much involved that it's rarely clear cut. And likely in this case there is a lot we don't know about. But I just can't see the court letting the aunt and uncle pick and choose which siblings they want to take and which one they want to give away...to an unrelated stranger, no less.
 


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