Fort Worth woman shot in her own home by police

[fortwildernessishome]

And what I stated was good cops would not want to serve with an officer like that, an opinion I also stand by.

This for sure!!

We have some law enforcement in our family (Police Chief, state police, SWAT ) and they all say exactly this!! They also have no problem saying that there are Great officers, Good officers and sadly, not so good ones. One brother in law is an investigator in the State Police. One of his duties is to investigate complaints against fellow officers. He would be the first to say, that while most officers are good and dedicated men and women, that there are definitely some bad apples and he has no problem weeding them out.

 

[kdonnel]

Because despite the fear-mongering used to justify the ever-increasing militarization of police, our law enforcement officers aren't actually under siege on the American streets.

Tell that to the family and colleagues of the officers that have been gunned down sitting in their cars.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...forcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty
Of the 55 officers killed in 2018, 11 were killed by entrapment or premeditation.

20% of all in the line of duty deaths in 2018 were officers under siege on the American streets.

Even more alarming is that in 2017 only 5 officers were killed by entrapment or premeditation. 2018 was an over 100% increase year over year.

That is significant and definitely would contribute to a mindset of shooting sooner rather then later.

 

[Sandeep1]

I think it will happen in about 100,000 years. That is how long I think it will take for the gene pool to become so mixed we all look alike.

The human race will not be around in 100,000 years. I'd be surprised if we last another 2,000 years.

 

[luvsJack]

I don’t know b/c I haven’t lived anywhere else, but I do know it’s reputation

And you believe that the reputation is fact? That’s sad coming from a southerner. It’s the same as any where else.

@Searc when you choose to respond like an adult, I will be more than happy to discuss whatever it is you find so funny.

 

[LSUmiss]

And you believe that the reputation is fact? That’s sad coming from a southerner. It’s the same as any where else.

@Searc when you choose to respond like an adult, I will be more than happy to discuss whatever it is you find so funny.

I guess I had hoped better for other parts of the country b/c I know I have sure seen my share of racism down here.

 

[kdonnel]

I guess I had hoped better for other parts of the country b/c I know I have sure seen my share of racism down here.

The most racist people I have ever met were from Long Island New York. The second most racist people I have ever met were from Mechelen, Belgium.

And that is saying a lot because my wife's family in South Georgia are a mess of racism. In the past 10 years much of their visceral hatred has migrated towards immigrants, hispanic immigrants specifically.

 

[OhMickeyUrSoFine]

Elementary schoolchildren can grasp the meaning behind the fourth amendment enough to understand why it's a good thing to protect us. If we as a society have reached the point where we feel we cannot empower a police force with the ability to operate within the simple framework of basic Constitutional rights maybe we should simply throw in the towel and dispense with the notion of empowering law enforcement to protect and serve at all.

Working in an environment where I see and talk to police officers daily this case has been a topic of discussion this week. To this point I have yet to hear a single officer even attempt to explain how this officer was in the rightful performance of his duties. Good cops don't want to serve with reckless ones like this one. Even if it doesn't result in a deadly situation, ignoring proper procedures results in all of the hard work they do amounting to nothing in a court of law and potentially putting their lives or careers on the line.

Some people are not aware of Warren v. District of Columbia in which the Supreme Court ruled Law Enforcement Officers DO NOT have a constitutional liability or duty to protect individuals. People just do not know. My background is CJ as well and, well, I've seen the good and the bad. I've written research on the subject and, in my opinion, being in that type of public position where you see a lot of the bad every day, it does jade a person. There are people on the force, and even working at Disney, that should never ever have their jobs. I even know of an engineering manger who is publicly racist, publicly anti-LGBT publicly misogynist, says the N word on their public social media (not even private), been investigated for racism at work and amazingly still has his job at MK. Crazy!

 

[luvsJack]

I guess I had hoped better for other parts of the country b/c I know I have sure seen my share of racism down here.

Racism is every where. But it’s not the majority of people. It’s not even close. There are those that are blatantly racist and use the N word and say horrible things. There are those that are secretly racist. But the majority of people anywhere are good people, who accept all differences and wouldn’t think of hating another person.

Are there racist cops? Yes. There are also racist teachers, doctors, lawyers, truck drivers, electricians, plumbers, etc etc etc. But it’s not all or even most.

You talk about how much racism you have seen in the south. But I wonder what all you are putting under that heading.

 

[luvsJack]

They should be better than the average person at *doing their jobs*! We don't accept "they're only human" for other professionals who make egregious mistakes that lead to death - doctors who make serious errors, child care workers who leave a child in a hot car or let one wander off through an unlatched gate. Hell, even bartenders are held responsible for exercising good judgment in not over-serving. Police are (theoretically, anyway) trained in threat assessment and deescalation and procedures intended to keep everyone safe, and when officers forget or ignore that training they need to be held accountable. Because despite the fear-mongering used to justify the ever-increasing militarization of police, our law enforcement officers aren't actually under siege on the American streets.



Racism isn't always as explicit as seeing a black face and perceiving it as threatening. It can also operate on a subconscious level - heightened awareness and exaggerated threat response in a black neighborhood because of a "gut feeling" that the neighborhood and situation are inherently more dangerous than the same type of call in a white neighborhood, for example. Most of the LEO in my community are retirees from larger departments and I've heard them talk about the neighborhoods they wouldn't walk into without a gun drawn and finger on the trigger (which I'm sure is hyperbole to some degree, but does reflect the mindset). I'm sure none of them think of themselves as racist and would argue that it is the socio-economic status and crime statistics that made them fearful in those neighborhoods, but the end result is still the same - police walking around afraid, and therefore jumpy/quick to react, in black neighborhoods in a way that they aren't in whiter parts of the city.

In a city about an hour north of me, there is a area that is described that way. It is a black neighborhood.

If 911 is called for an ambulance to that neighborhood, when the ambulance gets there they cannot go in until the police get there. It’s not racism. It’s the fact that paramedics have been shot at while trying to get to an injured or sick person. Pizza Hut and Dominos will not deliver there after dark because too many of their drivers have been robbed.

These companies have these policies to protect their employees, both white and black, from what can be a dangerous situation. It’s not fair to say that is racism.

Some neighborhoods are just that dangerous.

 

[Colleen27]

Tell that to the family and colleagues of the officers that have been gunned down sitting in their cars.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...forcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty
Of the 55 officers killed in 2018, 11 were killed by entrapment or premeditation.

20% of all in the line of duty deaths in 2018 were officers under siege on the American streets.

Even more alarming is that in 2017 only 5 officers were killed by entrapment or premeditation. 2018 was an over 100% increase year over year.

That is significant and definitely would contribute to a mindset of shooting sooner rather then later.

I suppose that's one way to look at it, but since more than half of those "entrapment/premeditation" deaths were further broken down into the type of pursuit they were engaged in, I don't think they quite speak to the fear of being ambushed on a routine well-being check.

But more to my original point, even if you take every one of those deaths as a data point supporting extreme vigilance and constant readiness to use deadly force, we're still talking about 11 deaths in a country with over a million full time law enforcement personnel. So it is a greater risk than, say, being struck by lightning, but not exactly the epidemic of anti-police violence that many in the media and political arena would have us believe. In fact, it was significantly more dangerous to be a cop in the 70s, when we routinely saw 200+ deaths in the line of duty despite having far fewer people in the profession, than it is today; with the exception of 2001, which was an outlier for obvious reasons, the broad decades-long trend has been toward fewer police deaths in the line of duty. But we all - police and civilians alike - internalize the messages that we hear over and over and over, and that inevitably skews our ability to accurately judge risk.

 

[LSUmiss]

Racism is every where. But it’s not the majority of people. It’s not even close. There are those that are blatantly racist and use the N word and say horrible things. There are those that are secretly racist. But the majority of people anywhere are good people, who accept all differences and wouldn’t think of hating another person.

Are there racist cops? Yes. There are also racist teachers, doctors, lawyers, truck drivers, electricians, plumbers, etc etc etc. But it’s not all or even most.

You talk about how much racism you have seen in the south. But I wonder what all you are putting under that heading.

I think it’s b/c NOLA is so culturally diverse. While it is what makes this city unique & great & ppl of all cultures celebrate those contributions to the overall culture of the city, it also presents more opportunities to interact with ppl of different races. I think white ppl (esp older ones) often feel threatened by the changing demographics of this city. And I also think having more opportunities to interact with other races can bring out some of the implicit & sometimes explicit biases ppl have. I think it would be much easier for ppl to hide these beliefs or tendencies if they lived in mostly white areas where they didn’t have to interact with ppl of different races often. Imo, racism to those ppl would appear much more egregious like burning crosses in yards vs things like calling someone an N word b/c they cut you off in traffic.

 

[LSUmiss]

In a city about an hour north of me, there is a area that is described that way. It is a black neighborhood.

If 911 is called for an ambulance to that neighborhood, when the ambulance gets there they cannot go in until the police get there. It’s not racism. It’s the fact that paramedics have been shot at while trying to get to an injured or sick person. Pizza Hut and Dominos will not deliver there after dark because too many of their drivers have been robbed.

These companies have these policies to protect their employees, both white and black, from what can be a dangerous situation. It’s not fair to say that is racism.

Some neighborhoods are just that dangerous.

Hmmm are there any white neighborhoods that are considered “just that dangerous”. My guess is probably not.

 

[luvsJack]

Hmmm are there any white neighborhoods that are considered “just that dangerous”. My guess is probably not.

I have no idea but this one is that dangerous. Ds’s friend is a paramedic and has worked there. They and the fire department have strict orders that they cannot go in without the police. Dd has a friend who works at the Pizza Hut up there. Mistakenly taking a delivery there after dark is a firing offense.

Should they drive on in and get shot so they don’t seem racist? Would that be your preference?

That’s what I mean about things going under the heading of “racism”. It’s not racism. And it’s not “considered” dangerous. It’s fact of the matter that the area is dangerous.

 

[LSUmiss]

I have no idea but this one is that dangerous. Ds’s friend is a paramedic and has worked there. They and the fire department have strict orders that they cannot go in without the police. Dd has a friend who works at the Pizza Hut up there. Mistakenly taking a delivery there after dark is a firing offense.

Should they drive on in and get shot so they don’t seem racist? Would that be your preference?

That’s what I mean about things going under the heading of “racism”. It’s not racism. And it’s not “considered” dangerous. It’s fact of the matter that the area is dangerous.

I just know that NOLA is a pretty crime ridden city & there are some very very rough neighborhoods, but none have the kinds of official bans on anyone entering without police escort that you’re talking about. So, to me, it seems at least possible that it’s racial bias that the neighborhood is considered to be so dangerous.

 

[CarolAnn856]

The south isn’t more racist than the north or east or west.

Maybe the south is, and maybe it isn't, but it sure as heck is more blatant about it. Our family (we live in NJ) has traveled many places in the US and abroad, and we were absolutely shocked by the racism on public display in the south. Even shops used racial stereotypes in advertising, and we saw more than one store with an offensive name. Anyone who claims that racism is a rare exception in the south, or anywhere, to be honest, either has their head buried in the sand or is so deeply entrenched as a racist themselves that they just don't see it.

 

[luvsJack]

I just know that NOLA is a pretty crime ridden city & there are some very very rough neighborhoods, but none have the kinds of official bans on anyone entering without police escort that you’re talking about. So, to me, it seems at least possible that it’s racial bias that the neighborhood is considered to be so dangerous.

Well, I will let the black paramedics know they are racist.

How can you claim racial bias on a ambulance company or the city fire dept (whose chief is black) when they are simply trying to keep their employees safe? Paramedics have been shot at. It’s not bias—it happened. It is not “considered”. It IS. It’s a simple fact. Not sure what is so hard to understand.

 

[luvsJack]

Maybe the south is, and maybe it isn't, but it sure as heck is more blatant about it. Our family (we live in NJ) has traveled many places in the US and abroad, and we were absolutely shocked by the racism on public display in the south. Even shops used racial stereotypes in advertising, and we saw more than one store with an offensive name. Anyone who claims that racism is a rare exception in the south, or anywhere, to be honest, either has their head buried in the sand or is so deeply entrenched as a racist themselves that they just don't see it.

What ads and shops did you see and where?

Have you bothered to meet any people or you are just judging a sign as you pass?

There is a restaurant in town named “Mammy’s”. I am sure you would show shock at the “racist” name. It’s owned by a black lady. She opened it, she does the cooking. She owns it and she named it. It’s what her grandkids call her. And it has some of the best southern country food around. She is a great success.

 

[kandb]

No racism will end when ppl stop being racist. The ppl I’m talking about say egregious things including using the N word. That’s not just something simple like “seeing race”.

Why are you associating with people who are racist and speak like this??? I don't hear anyone say things like this ever and I know alot of white people.

 

[kandb]

In a city about an hour north of me, there is a area that is described that way. It is a black neighborhood.

If 911 is called for an ambulance to that neighborhood, when the ambulance gets there they cannot go in until the police get there. It’s not racism. It’s the fact that paramedics have been shot at while trying to get to an injured or sick person. Pizza Hut and Dominos will not deliver there after dark because too many of their drivers have been robbed.

These companies have these policies to protect their employees, both white and black, from what can be a dangerous situation. It’s not fair to say that is racism.

Some neighborhoods are just that dangerous.

Unfortunately, some people don't care to look at the statistics and just want to use labels. Reality is reality!!!

 

[kandb]

Maybe the south is, and maybe it isn't, but it sure as heck is more blatant about it. Our family (we live in NJ) has traveled many places in the US and abroad, and we were absolutely shocked by the racism on public display in the south. Even shops used racial stereotypes in advertising, and we saw more than one store with an offensive name. Anyone who claims that racism is a rare exception in the south, or anywhere, to be honest, either has their head buried in the sand or is so deeply entrenched as a racist themselves that they just don't see it.

I live in NJ as well and have traveled to the south numerous times and have never seen what you are describing. Can you give examples of public display that are racist? Maybe I am not paying attention but have never once seen anything you describe. The only thing we find strange is that they let you smoke cigarettes inside fast food chains which is not allowed here up north.