For those that bought 10+ years ago

[sethschroeder]

There were/are rumours of an Epcot front gate resort, with exclusive entrance to the park like VGC.

Except the latest rumor had nothing to do with a hotel it was for a RunDisney event.

I could also see that being a resort not a DVC. Doubt it though. Next park side DVC is likely on the 5th gate someday.

 

[AvidDisReader]

There is speculation more than rumor that the real reason for the swing bridge allowing a foot path from the Floridian to the Magic Kingdom is for a new DVC resort. The Resort would be on the West side of the Canal, North the new sidewalk where there is a large tract of buildable land. My guess is if this is true, we will know as soon as they are finishing up Reflections. So stay tuned and as a new Magic Kingdom DVC resort may be in the very short horizon.

 

[Chuck S]

There is speculation more than rumor that the real reason for the swing bridge allowing a foot path from the Floridian to the Magic Kingdom is for a new DVC resort. The Resort would be on the West side of the Canal, North the new sidewalk where there is a large tract of buildable land. My guess is if this is true, we will know as soon as they are finishing up Reflections. So stay tuned and as a new Magic Kingdom DVC resort may be in the very short horizon.

I don't know, it seems a resort of 4 or 5 stories (or more) would be able to see backstage areas quite well. Something Disney doesn't really want to do. The most "backstage" area most folks see is the side exit used after the fireworks between Tomorrowland Terrace and Main Street, and that area has been renovated for that purpose. There are a lot of warehouses on that Grand Floridian side of the park for parade floats, maintenance, etc. that are usually only seen on special tours.

 

[crvetter]

There is speculation more than rumor that the real reason for the swing bridge allowing a foot path from the Floridian to the Magic Kingdom is for a new DVC resort. The Resort would be on the West side of the Canal, North the new sidewalk where there is a large tract of buildable land. My guess is if this is true, we will know as soon as they are finishing up Reflections. So stay tuned and as a new Magic Kingdom DVC resort may be in the very short horizon.

My suspicion is that they wouldn’t build a hotel here so close to MK: the land is only marginally suitable for building, would cannabilize Reflections sales if announced before Reflections is sold out, would likely ruin sight lines in MK (and the hotel would see backstage areas), and takes away future expansion plans of MK.

There is plenty of other locations they could build to keep themselves going. But if they get the Disneyland hotel approved I would suspect it’s not until 2028 for a new WDW resort to come online (after Reflections). Riviera will cover sales from 2019-2022, Reflections from 2022-2025 (though Reflections on the DVC is supposed to be smaller at least what Disney is telling shareholders), and the Disneyland hotel gets them from 2025-2028.

 

[CanadaDisney05]

Disneyland hotel gets them from 2025-2028.

I would suspect that they would be willing to sell two resorts at the same time if they are on different coasts. There is some crossover, but I would imagine these would be two different target markets

 

[bdphill22]

We own at BWV, BLT, SSR and OKW. Our BWV and BLT points are only used at those resorts while OKW and SSR have been used to stay there and trade around.

If resale restrictions had of been in place when I bought I would not have bought as many points at OKW or SSR and would have wanted to pay a lot less. When I bought the expectation was that when new resorts were build then we would be able to trade in to those new resorts. Trading is a very useful benefit, but not one I use enough to pay extra for, instead I would just change what I buy.

This is essentially saying that you did pay a premium at the time to stay at the future resorts, since you wouldn't have been willing to pay as much if you couldn't.

 

[crvetter]

I would suspect that they would be willing to sell two resorts at the same time if they are on different coasts. There is some crossover, but I would imagine these would be two different target markets

Even if they did sell two resorts I would expect the average sales not to dramatically change therefore Reflections and the Disneyland hotel gets them to 2028. VGC was different too when it was sold at the same time just because it was so super tiny.

But the Disneyland hotel is years away, no site work is done, no government approval, likely no true architectural planning or structural planning beyond concepts needed for the city (why pay for something that heavy not approved). So I suspect that hotel is well away from opening anyways. Though if they sell at the same time it could be good because it gives proper options for people to buy on the coast they most want to visit. So they could eventually cross sell them agreed.

 

[DaveNan]

Disneyland hotel gets them from 2025-2028.

I would not expect a DL resort to take 3-4 years to sell out. There is lots of demand for availability at DL.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I'm still on record, world without end, that the best buildable plot near MK is the Contemporary Conference Center, which either needs to be refurbished, or I will continue to believe it is planned for this end. Every other conference facility at WDW of any size has been refurbished, and Disney Meetings is focused on filling the Boardwalk and CSR centers. Contemporary is an afterthought. It is also relatively shabby at this point (logistically).

 

[zavandor]

There is plenty of other locations they could build to keep themselves going. But if they get the Disneyland hotel approved I would suspect it’s not until 2028 for a new WDW resort to come online (after Reflections). Riviera will cover sales from 2019-2022, Reflections from 2022-2025 (though Reflections on the DVC is supposed to be smaller at least what Disney is telling shareholders), and the Disneyland hotel gets them from 2025-2028.

There is always Aulani, which will get them from 2019-2061.

 

[crvetter]

I would not expect a DL resort to take 3-4 years to sell out. There is lots of demand for availability at DL.

I would say there is a largish demand on the DIS but I’m not fairly certain that will translate to across the board (the DIS tends to skew super fan to a degree). DVC sells a fair amount to international buyers; a DL resort is of less interest to those travelers as it really isn’t a resort destination but very much a well built backyard park (which I do love to visit yearly). Considering most of the visitors a year are relatively close to the park itself speaks to that nature.

Also I suspect this resort will have one of the highest point charts so with 300 rooms it’s going to be a lot of points. Also the location of the physical resort will leave a lot to be desired with many of the rooms over looking Anaheim itself rather than the parks (even park views from higher floors will see Anaheim and backstage areas). The demand will be great because of FOMO but I suspect once people get the view and the fact the DLH isn’t really much of a “resort” in the sense of GCH or WDW hotels and that the point charts will be very high demand will temper some (but not much). So I could see scenarios where it sells out quickly as you suggest but I also see many factors that limit the target demo (will the supply outstrip demand, VGC is very small and much more desirable resort no matter what they do to DLH simply because of how it was built so demand has been higher than supply but how much so).

 

[CanadaDisney05]

I would say there is a largish demand on the DIS but I’m not fairly certain that will translate to across the board (the DIS tends to skew super fan to a degree). DVC sells a fair amount to international buyers; a DL resort is of less interest to those travelers as it really isn’t a resort destination but very much a well built backyard park (which I do love to visit yearly). Considering most of the visitors a year are relatively close to the park itself speaks to that nature.

Also I suspect this resort will have one of the highest point charts so with 300 rooms it’s going to be a lot of points. Also the location of the physical resort will leave a lot to be desired with many of the rooms over looking Anaheim itself rather than the parks (even park views from higher floors will see Anaheim and backstage areas). The demand will be great because of FOMO but I suspect once people get the view and the fact the DLH isn’t really much of a “resort” in the sense of GCH or WDW hotels and that the point charts will be very high demand will temper some (but not much). So I could see scenarios where it sells out quickly as you suggest but I also see many factors that limit the target demo (will the supply outstrip demand, VGC is very small and much more desirable resort no matter what they do to DLH simply because of how it was built so demand has been higher than supply but how much so).

Just to add-on. I suspect there will be many more "small point" packages sold here because people simply don't need 7-10 day vacations to DL. The target demo will be the family who lives west coast and comes to DL once or twice a year for 2 to 3 nights.

 

[AvidDisReader]

The comments regarding a DVC will not be built on land next to canal are valid. I have seen them addressed on other sites. There are 2 arguments that state this will not be an issue. First, the resort will not be a 4, 5, 0r higher building so the back stage will not be easily seen. Second, the Imagineers will do their magic to obscure those areas that are not to be seen (massive tree lines). The only argument that makes sense to me is if Disney really has other plans for that land. You cannot go north of the park due to the wharehouses and other back stage uses, cannot go east or south due to existing resorts and Lake. So if Magic Kingdom were to expand it would have to be West. Still I think money trumps all, and the price point for a DVC resort with that short of walk would in my opinion be a record seller. So I stand by my guess that a DVC will be built on this land and will be the next DVC built in WDW.

 

[bumbershoot]

I’m answering this based on 10 years ago from now. Which means I can’t answer it exactly how you want, but honestly even when you wrote it I couldn’t have answered it like you want.

10 years ago we had the resorts from list B *and* bay lake to choose from. We also had GCal; it was a special tour that I went on of it that got me interested in DVC (but not in that resort). To exclude those makes no sense to me.

We had the choice of AKV, bay lake, and GCV as currently-selling resorts. We chose bay lake. It took until 2016 to stay there. We stayed at GC once, and I won’t use my points to do it again. Other than VGF the rest of our stays were from group B, and other than AKV, of the resorts from that list I’ve stayed at, I love the other resorts more than Bay Lake (or GCV obviously).

I wouldn’t have known that I didn’t like bay lake or GCV, of course, if I couldn’t stay there. But my enjoyment of OKW, BWV, and SSR is pretty strong.

If there had been restrictions, I simply wouldn’t have known how I felt. I would see them like I see shades of green. It looks really cool. I am 100% ineligible to stay there. Unless I find a family member who is eligible and invites me, or if I start dating some career military guy who likes Disney, I won’t *ever* stay there. It’s actually more restrictive than DVC, since at DVC I could find someone renting points or just go through Disney if I really wanted to stay there. Keeping that mental boundary up helps with SOG and my wish to experience it, and would help with restricted DVC resorts.

But even with that wish, I’m content at the other places where I can stay.

It also means you would not have had those experiences staying at any of the resorts in the first list over the past ten years.

And you would have had different experiences. And wouldn’t know otherwise.

Currently I cannot recommend DVC to friends.

Same. I’d love for my cousin to buy so she could have the fun of hosting me for rundisney, but I’m not a good salesperson or cheerleader. I even went along with her on the official tour and couldn’t tell her to get it.

I wanted a date that excluded BLT specifically because I know that is a popular resort.

Is it? For my Princess stay I can’t get a 1 bedroom anywhere but OKW, so that means they are all popular. Alas I have a 1 bedroom at OKW already so I don’t need that. Meanwhile I got a 2 bedroom at bay lake after princess no problem at <7 months.


Use the money from the difference you would have spent buying direct, invest it, and every so often rent points or book directly to stay at the restricted resorts. At least you can do that, unlike with my fascination with SOG!

You remember details of big or emotional purchases.

Not all of us do.

I would suspect that they would be willing to sell two resorts at the same time if they are on different coasts. There is some crossover, but I would imagine these would be two different target markets

They were selling actively AKV and Bay Lake at the same time. Along with GCV.

Also the location of the physical resort will leave a lot to be desired with many of the rooms over looking Anaheim itself rather than the parks (even park views from higher floors will see Anaheim and backstage areas).

That’s already a thing with the onsite resorts and it doesn’t matter. It’s part of being at Disneyland.

 

[crvetter]

That’s already a thing with the onsite resorts and it doesn’t matter. It’s part of being at Disneyland.

True but this also is stating the Disneyland and Disney World differences I was referring too anyways. The latter is a resort destination where people spend a week or more. Disneyland is a 3 night max trip. Also with a less "resort" like experience people would be more inclined to stick with that 3 night max. So as @CanadaDisney05 stated the market for DLR resorts are much smaller (international gone, etc.) and smaller contracts (unless they really push the trade into WDW at 7 months which we all should hope they don't).

Also what does onsite at Disneyland get you? I mean as someone that stays exclusively onsite at WDW and DLR, I will say it isn't very much for the price (I do it because the VGC is of WDW caliber for a resort and the DVC rooms are cheap with my small contract). You don't get transportation to and form the aiport, you don't need park transportation, the EMH benefits are much worse than those offered at WDW (though very nice for how their FP system works), and you don't have a resort type destination (sans GCH). So with Disneyland they will have to try harder really to market the resort once it opens. I suspect prior to open it sells hot, then post open it slows down a lot once people start understanding the differences between WDW and DLR in terms of the DVC resort expectations.

I would also say that GCH is not like DLH or PPH in terms of resort quality (rooms don't really look at Anaheim, the pool is in a super secluded courtyard, etc). GCH is very deserving of being considered a resort, currently I would argue the other two are not. Only the rooms that overlook Disneyland Drive at GCH really have a "bad" view but that view is from a short structure (not a high rise like the DVC tower being proposed) and can't really see Anaheim (though they do look at PPH). The Courtyard, Nature, Theme Park, and Downtown Disney views (which are a bulk of the rooms, and all DVC rooms fall into these categories) are very much Disney bubble (don't see Anaheim and feel transported somewhere different) and worthy of the Disney resort quality that a WDW only guest expects.

They were selling actively AKV and Bay Lake at the same time. Along with GCV.

This wasn't a desired outcome likely if I had to guess. This was the 2008 market crash (well slightly post) that most likely led to the scenario here (poor DVC direct sales).

 

[DVC92]

It is very rare for me to stay anywhere on points except OKW. I purchased direct in 1992, there weren't any other resorts at that time, and we were advised there may NOT be another resort. Disney was new to timeshares, it was an experiment for them as well as us. So no, if I really loved the resort I was purchasing, it wouldn't matter (and hasn't mattered) at all. In fact, in 27 years, and over 60 trips, I've only ventured away from OKW once, and that was to a Poly Lake View studio. It was nice, but it just didn't feel like home. I do want to stay at Kidani, sometime, though.

Like you, I purchased OKW in 1992 and still love staying there. The staff is great, many whom have been there a number of years. Also, it is laid-back and an escape from the rest of WDW. I also have purchased at BLT and VGF and enjoy staying at those resorts. I have stayed at SS, AK, BC, but currently only stay at my home resorts. You should buy where you want to stay, if for no other reason than the 11 month booking advantage.