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Ok, I know you know about the Bush cousins but this Newsweek article is just too good to pass up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6328511/site/newsweek/
What do you do if youre the presidents cousinsand you dont like the way hes running the country? Answer: You set up a Web site in support of John Kerry
Oct. 25 - George W. Bush should not be re-elected because he lied to the American people, has presided over record deficits, has removed scores of environmental regulations and is incapable of rethinking his positions even when confronted by new information.
But for once, dont take it from me. Take it from his second cousin. "Hes guided by an extreme narrow-mindedness and an inability to consider the full depth of an issue," says Chris House, whose grandmother, Mary House, was a sister of the presidents grandfather, Prescott Bush. That makes him the presidents second cousin twice removedalthough hell settle for removing the president just once. "He may be a relative of mine, but nowhere in my side of the family do you see that sense of entitlement that he has," says House, who lives in Olympia, Wash. "He just projects this feeling that this job belongs to him and that he can do whatever he wants."
House is one of six members of his branch of the family that set up a Web sitebushrelativesforkerry.comto help spread the news that not everyone in the Bush clan supports the president. Of course, Bush Relatives for Kerry is not a scientific survey of the entire Bush family tree. One can be reasonably certain that many of the presidents blood relatives think hes doing a great job as president. Im pretty sure that his father thinks so. And the twins, definitely. Laura probably. And, if pressed, Barbara Bush would probably have a few nice words to say (while still wishing Jeb was the commander in chief). But from a purely journalistic standpoint (that is to say, something that allows reporters to appear to be providing election coverage while avoiding any real analysis of the current administrations shocking incompetence), this Bush Relatives for Kerry Web site is great. As I always say, thank goodness Al Gore invented the Internet!
None of the Bush relatives for Kerry has ever met the presidentalthough several were in the same room during the inauguration of his father, George H.W. Bushbut all have a reason for disliking the way hes running the country.
"I wish I could support him," says Jeanny House, a pastor in Wisconsin. "Wouldnt it be the coolest thing to be proud to say, The president is my cousin!? But Im not proud because I fundamentally disagree with the way hes running the country." Disagreeing with a member of the family is often thought of as a cardinal sin, whether your family is the Corleones, the Bushes or even the Kuntzmans. (On second thought, lets leave the Kuntzmans out of this. My father and I disagree on everything. He thinks Bush has been our second greatest leader, after Reagan, of course, while I feel that the president ranks very favorablyas long as hes being ranked against William Henry Harrison and Warren Harding.) Certainly, the Bush Relatives for Kerry have received plenty of angry emails that have recalled Don Corleones famous advice, "Never go against the family," but theyre happy to eschew omerta to oppose a man whose latest campaign ad features wolves pouncing on an America weakened by a Kerry presidency (subtle, huh? Why not just hand out sledgehammers at campaign rallies?).
"I feel like we have a responsibility as family members to say we dont agree with him," says Hilary House, of the Seattle branch of the family. "But, yes, some people have said we should be ashamed to disagree with a family member in public." Hilary House says her cousins tax-cutting, environment-ravaging, deficit-ballooning, ally-spurning policies bothered her, but not nearly as much as exploitation of the September 11 attacks, which, we are often quick to forget, happened a month after he received a memo entitled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." That memo included sentences like, "FBI information . . . indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings." Even the black sheep of the dumbest family in the country might have been able to come up with a way of securing cockpit doors or making sure names on our "watch lists" were actuallyoh, I dont knowbeing watched. Or that after invading Iraq, he would make sure to, at least, guard munitions dumps with hundreds of tons of explosives.
But again, who cares what I think? You could hear it directly from one of the presidents blood relatives.
"I just dont like the way everything in his campaign gets back to September 11," Hilary House says. "He goes around saying that if you dont vote for him or accept everything hes done in the War on Terror, well be attacked again. After September 11, he told the world that Youre either with us or against us. Well, my family doesnt share that value."
After talking to all the Houses, it finally dawned on me what their campaign is mostly about. Sure, they want to deny the president a second term, but clearly they want to eliminate any guilt that might be associated with their family connection. Its as if they were all wearing "IM DEFINITELY NOT WITH STUPID" T-shirts. "In my family, we dont feel like changing your mind when you learn something new is a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength," says Jeanny House, a pastor from Wisconsin. "His inability to consider the complexity of issues is definitely not a family traitat least in my part of the family."
As a woman of the cloth, House splits with her cousin on issues of religious faith, which the president wears like a crown of thorns. "I understand Christian faith differently. I believe that Jesus calls us to a concern for the poor, for peace, for acceptance. The president doesnt."
Imagine what theyd say if they werent related to him!
© 2004 Newsweek, Inc.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6328511/site/newsweek/
What do you do if youre the presidents cousinsand you dont like the way hes running the country? Answer: You set up a Web site in support of John Kerry
Oct. 25 - George W. Bush should not be re-elected because he lied to the American people, has presided over record deficits, has removed scores of environmental regulations and is incapable of rethinking his positions even when confronted by new information.
But for once, dont take it from me. Take it from his second cousin. "Hes guided by an extreme narrow-mindedness and an inability to consider the full depth of an issue," says Chris House, whose grandmother, Mary House, was a sister of the presidents grandfather, Prescott Bush. That makes him the presidents second cousin twice removedalthough hell settle for removing the president just once. "He may be a relative of mine, but nowhere in my side of the family do you see that sense of entitlement that he has," says House, who lives in Olympia, Wash. "He just projects this feeling that this job belongs to him and that he can do whatever he wants."
House is one of six members of his branch of the family that set up a Web sitebushrelativesforkerry.comto help spread the news that not everyone in the Bush clan supports the president. Of course, Bush Relatives for Kerry is not a scientific survey of the entire Bush family tree. One can be reasonably certain that many of the presidents blood relatives think hes doing a great job as president. Im pretty sure that his father thinks so. And the twins, definitely. Laura probably. And, if pressed, Barbara Bush would probably have a few nice words to say (while still wishing Jeb was the commander in chief). But from a purely journalistic standpoint (that is to say, something that allows reporters to appear to be providing election coverage while avoiding any real analysis of the current administrations shocking incompetence), this Bush Relatives for Kerry Web site is great. As I always say, thank goodness Al Gore invented the Internet!
None of the Bush relatives for Kerry has ever met the presidentalthough several were in the same room during the inauguration of his father, George H.W. Bushbut all have a reason for disliking the way hes running the country.
"I wish I could support him," says Jeanny House, a pastor in Wisconsin. "Wouldnt it be the coolest thing to be proud to say, The president is my cousin!? But Im not proud because I fundamentally disagree with the way hes running the country." Disagreeing with a member of the family is often thought of as a cardinal sin, whether your family is the Corleones, the Bushes or even the Kuntzmans. (On second thought, lets leave the Kuntzmans out of this. My father and I disagree on everything. He thinks Bush has been our second greatest leader, after Reagan, of course, while I feel that the president ranks very favorablyas long as hes being ranked against William Henry Harrison and Warren Harding.) Certainly, the Bush Relatives for Kerry have received plenty of angry emails that have recalled Don Corleones famous advice, "Never go against the family," but theyre happy to eschew omerta to oppose a man whose latest campaign ad features wolves pouncing on an America weakened by a Kerry presidency (subtle, huh? Why not just hand out sledgehammers at campaign rallies?).
"I feel like we have a responsibility as family members to say we dont agree with him," says Hilary House, of the Seattle branch of the family. "But, yes, some people have said we should be ashamed to disagree with a family member in public." Hilary House says her cousins tax-cutting, environment-ravaging, deficit-ballooning, ally-spurning policies bothered her, but not nearly as much as exploitation of the September 11 attacks, which, we are often quick to forget, happened a month after he received a memo entitled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." That memo included sentences like, "FBI information . . . indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings." Even the black sheep of the dumbest family in the country might have been able to come up with a way of securing cockpit doors or making sure names on our "watch lists" were actuallyoh, I dont knowbeing watched. Or that after invading Iraq, he would make sure to, at least, guard munitions dumps with hundreds of tons of explosives.
But again, who cares what I think? You could hear it directly from one of the presidents blood relatives.
"I just dont like the way everything in his campaign gets back to September 11," Hilary House says. "He goes around saying that if you dont vote for him or accept everything hes done in the War on Terror, well be attacked again. After September 11, he told the world that Youre either with us or against us. Well, my family doesnt share that value."
After talking to all the Houses, it finally dawned on me what their campaign is mostly about. Sure, they want to deny the president a second term, but clearly they want to eliminate any guilt that might be associated with their family connection. Its as if they were all wearing "IM DEFINITELY NOT WITH STUPID" T-shirts. "In my family, we dont feel like changing your mind when you learn something new is a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength," says Jeanny House, a pastor from Wisconsin. "His inability to consider the complexity of issues is definitely not a family traitat least in my part of the family."
As a woman of the cloth, House splits with her cousin on issues of religious faith, which the president wears like a crown of thorns. "I understand Christian faith differently. I believe that Jesus calls us to a concern for the poor, for peace, for acceptance. The president doesnt."
Imagine what theyd say if they werent related to him!
© 2004 Newsweek, Inc.
Someone had mentioned that the Rassmussan poll has Kerry ahead 48% to Bush 46%.
Here's a couple of other significant numbers that should give some gray hairs to Bush and his supporters:
"For the first time in a month, the number saying the U.S. and its allies are winning the War on Terror and the number saying Bush is a better leader than Kerry both dipped below 50%."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm
Just my opinion, but I do not believe any president can have a war go south on him, and the justifications for that war also go south on him, and not pay a political price.
This election is 1980 all over again.
Here's a couple of other significant numbers that should give some gray hairs to Bush and his supporters:
"For the first time in a month, the number saying the U.S. and its allies are winning the War on Terror and the number saying Bush is a better leader than Kerry both dipped below 50%."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm
Just my opinion, but I do not believe any president can have a war go south on him, and the justifications for that war also go south on him, and not pay a political price.
This election is 1980 all over again.
I don't know if this was posted yet, but this is good. it's an excerpt from 1,000 reasons not to vote for George Bush.
http://www.thousandreasons.org/
Here are the top 10
1. Honesty
Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life. George Bush is applauded for overthrowing two governments (three, if you count Haiti) based on deception. He lied about the threat of Iraq, he lied about the cost, and he lied about the expected outcome. He lied about the purpose of his tax cuts, he lied about education, the environment, energy, and his own past. He lied about the cost of Medicare. Everything he says is choreographed to achieve political gain without consideration for the truth. In Bush's administration, truth takes a back seat to power every time.
2. War
History will not be kind to George Bush. In two years he overthrew two governments, and has his eyes on several others. He has ignored the UN, the US public, and 90% of the rest of the world, including millions who protested in the streets. He has violated the US Constitution and international law by attacking Iraq when it was not a threat to anyone. In his empire-building march across the Middle East, he has wasted the lives of thousands. History will wonder why no one stopped him.
3. Economy
As soon as people saw that Bush might get elected in 2000, the economy started to fall, helped by Bush's talk of recession. He, of course, tried to blame Clinton. Since then, the economy has dipped in and out of recession, a million jobs have evaporated, deficits are soaring, and Bush's only response is to cut taxes for the wealthy. Every few months he promises that jobs are just around the corner -- if Congress will only approve my tax cuts -- but month after month job statistics give substance to the lie. Bush seems bent on destroying the very institution he heads.
4. Liberties
Yes, we need to catch terrorists, but we don't need a police state to do it. John Ashcroft has shown no concern for personal liberties, only for catching the "bad guys." Is it really necessary for the government to know what books you read? Is it necessary to read your e-mail? Must librarians be gagged? This slide toward Fascism is as scary as anything else Bush does. And rather than scale back the most egregious aspects of the act, Bush wants to make it even more intrusive.
5. Taxes
No one likes taxes, but we all pay them in hopes that the government will provide the services we need and want: schools, highways, bridges, and security. Bush, like Reagan before him, intends to choke the government down to size. By cutting taxes, primarily for the wealthy, deficits soar and nothing is left for education, the environment, social programs (including Social Security) or necessary regulation of corporations. After spending $800 billion a year (by independent estimates) on a bloated military, there is no money for books, no money for highways, not even money for the soldiers who must fight his wars. There is no money. But schools must remain open, roads must be repaired, and the sick must find treatment; all this is left to the state and local governments, which are now raising taxes, firing teachers, and cutting services.
6. Environment
One of his first acts as president was to raise the allowable level of arsenic in drinking water. Since then, we have seen a continuous assault on the forests, the air, the water, and the land. Global warming threatens to wreak havoc on our economy, our food supply, and our social fabric, but Bush only listens to the scientists on the political right, and they see no reason to panic. Don't worry, be happy.
7. International Relations
When you're the strongest nation by a factor of ten, you don't need to play nice. You can be a bully, and if other countries don't like it, too bad. Under Bush, we've seen this arrogant attitude regularly. He walked away from Kyoto, from the land mine treaty, from the international women's rights treaty, and the international criminal court. He ignored the pleas of long-time allies to avoid war, insulting them childishly. It will be decades before we can regain the respect of the world.
8. Secrecy
This is the most secret administration in memory. Decisions are clearly being made by corporations and far-right interest groups, but Bush refuses to admit it or to say who is behind such important policies as energy. Government can only be trusted in the sunlight, and this government hides at undisclosed locations.
9. Military
We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. While most of us appreciate the sense of security a strong military brings, we also question the wisdom of such spending when we have no clear enemy. Iraq was overthrown for about $100 billion. We spend four times that every year on the military. And now Bush wants to build a magical missile shield that no one believes will actually work. Oh, it will cost many billions, and a few select corporations will get rich, but meanwhile we have other needs, desperate needs, that are not being met. We don't even have health care for all our children. We can't even provide breakfast for all our children, or books, or decent schools. But we can kill bad guys better than anyone. And if Bush has his way, we will soon be dropping tactical nuclear bombs on them.
10. Corruption
The line between corporations and the government has disappeared during the Bush administration. Corporations give money to elect Bush, then Bush forms policies and rules that favor those same corporations. This is nowhere more evident than in the energy industry, which has sent millions to Bush in the form of campaign contributions, then received billions in return. Think Bush, Cheney, Bechtel, Halliburton, Schultz.
http://www.thousandreasons.org/
Here are the top 10
1. Honesty
Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life. George Bush is applauded for overthrowing two governments (three, if you count Haiti) based on deception. He lied about the threat of Iraq, he lied about the cost, and he lied about the expected outcome. He lied about the purpose of his tax cuts, he lied about education, the environment, energy, and his own past. He lied about the cost of Medicare. Everything he says is choreographed to achieve political gain without consideration for the truth. In Bush's administration, truth takes a back seat to power every time.
2. War
History will not be kind to George Bush. In two years he overthrew two governments, and has his eyes on several others. He has ignored the UN, the US public, and 90% of the rest of the world, including millions who protested in the streets. He has violated the US Constitution and international law by attacking Iraq when it was not a threat to anyone. In his empire-building march across the Middle East, he has wasted the lives of thousands. History will wonder why no one stopped him.
3. Economy
As soon as people saw that Bush might get elected in 2000, the economy started to fall, helped by Bush's talk of recession. He, of course, tried to blame Clinton. Since then, the economy has dipped in and out of recession, a million jobs have evaporated, deficits are soaring, and Bush's only response is to cut taxes for the wealthy. Every few months he promises that jobs are just around the corner -- if Congress will only approve my tax cuts -- but month after month job statistics give substance to the lie. Bush seems bent on destroying the very institution he heads.
4. Liberties
Yes, we need to catch terrorists, but we don't need a police state to do it. John Ashcroft has shown no concern for personal liberties, only for catching the "bad guys." Is it really necessary for the government to know what books you read? Is it necessary to read your e-mail? Must librarians be gagged? This slide toward Fascism is as scary as anything else Bush does. And rather than scale back the most egregious aspects of the act, Bush wants to make it even more intrusive.
5. Taxes
No one likes taxes, but we all pay them in hopes that the government will provide the services we need and want: schools, highways, bridges, and security. Bush, like Reagan before him, intends to choke the government down to size. By cutting taxes, primarily for the wealthy, deficits soar and nothing is left for education, the environment, social programs (including Social Security) or necessary regulation of corporations. After spending $800 billion a year (by independent estimates) on a bloated military, there is no money for books, no money for highways, not even money for the soldiers who must fight his wars. There is no money. But schools must remain open, roads must be repaired, and the sick must find treatment; all this is left to the state and local governments, which are now raising taxes, firing teachers, and cutting services.
6. Environment
One of his first acts as president was to raise the allowable level of arsenic in drinking water. Since then, we have seen a continuous assault on the forests, the air, the water, and the land. Global warming threatens to wreak havoc on our economy, our food supply, and our social fabric, but Bush only listens to the scientists on the political right, and they see no reason to panic. Don't worry, be happy.
7. International Relations
When you're the strongest nation by a factor of ten, you don't need to play nice. You can be a bully, and if other countries don't like it, too bad. Under Bush, we've seen this arrogant attitude regularly. He walked away from Kyoto, from the land mine treaty, from the international women's rights treaty, and the international criminal court. He ignored the pleas of long-time allies to avoid war, insulting them childishly. It will be decades before we can regain the respect of the world.
8. Secrecy
This is the most secret administration in memory. Decisions are clearly being made by corporations and far-right interest groups, but Bush refuses to admit it or to say who is behind such important policies as energy. Government can only be trusted in the sunlight, and this government hides at undisclosed locations.
9. Military
We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. While most of us appreciate the sense of security a strong military brings, we also question the wisdom of such spending when we have no clear enemy. Iraq was overthrown for about $100 billion. We spend four times that every year on the military. And now Bush wants to build a magical missile shield that no one believes will actually work. Oh, it will cost many billions, and a few select corporations will get rich, but meanwhile we have other needs, desperate needs, that are not being met. We don't even have health care for all our children. We can't even provide breakfast for all our children, or books, or decent schools. But we can kill bad guys better than anyone. And if Bush has his way, we will soon be dropping tactical nuclear bombs on them.
10. Corruption
The line between corporations and the government has disappeared during the Bush administration. Corporations give money to elect Bush, then Bush forms policies and rules that favor those same corporations. This is nowhere more evident than in the energy industry, which has sent millions to Bush in the form of campaign contributions, then received billions in return. Think Bush, Cheney, Bechtel, Halliburton, Schultz.
Not to try to hijack the thread, but since your response was to a post that I was encouraged to make in this thread, I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to answer in the same thread.
For the record, I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh or any radio talking heads, other than a local drive time talk host who is quite the moderate. So, the statement is my own, no one else's, and I stand by it.
The current tax code stifles achievement, success and hard work by telling people that after a certain point, they are really working for only 2/3 of their pay, possibly less. They have 1/3 or more of their pay taken from their paycheck to pay for services that they don't need and won't use, all while the money is given to people that aren't trying or working as hard. And I'm not talking about people that need help in the short term - few of us, if any, don't know someone that has needed a helping hand at one time or another, and I'm all for that. What I'm not for is continuing to pay people to sit home and collect the federal paycheck. I'm not for sending checks out to people every April 15 that didn't pay a single penny in federal income tax. I'm not for telling people that they can live in free federal housing, take foodstamps for their groceries and welfare for their kids without lifting a finger to try to better their situation. That situation does indeed reward failure and punish success.
I'm sorry that you can't see that you don't own logic - the fact that someone disagrees with you and supports Bush doesn't mean that they are illogical or stupid. It simply means that not everyone shares your priorities or agrees that the federal government should be the nanny of those that choose to not better their lives.
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"I don't know if this was posted yet, but this is good. it's an excerpt from 1,000 reasons not to vote for George Bush."
1000 + 1 = I think we have found the October Surprise. Have you heard of the vast explosives cache reported missing in Iraq? I posted a separate thread on it.
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=669816
Very scray stuff - just in time for Halloween.
1000 + 1 = I think we have found the October Surprise. Have you heard of the vast explosives cache reported missing in Iraq? I posted a separate thread on it.
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=669816
Very scray stuff - just in time for Halloween.
That's nice.
I think I've been very respectful on this thread, so I fail to see why you feel the need to resort to such nastiness.For the record, I'm a huge fan of "Seinfeld", and of George Costanza in particular. That's the origin of my username.
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It's been BIG news today. Evidently someone at IAEA was fed up with the Bush Administration and blew the whistle on a nasty secret they were trying to keep. Awwwwwwwwwwwww.
Actually, that's not true. The polls for the last month have clearly favored Bush.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.html
Are there Kerry supporters over on the Bush thread being as irritating as the Bush supporters on this thread?
I thought there was an (implied?) agreement that we would not barge in on each other on these two particular threads.
Huh. So much for that.
I thought there was an (implied?) agreement that we would not barge in on each other on these two particular threads.
Huh. So much for that.
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Dunno, I don't read their thread. Why in the world woud I want to? Just keep putting them on ignore for the time being. My list is getting a mite long but life is sooooooooooo much more enjoyable.
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