For all you boycotters. .

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It hurts a little to hear about my National Anthem getting booed before a hockey game in Montreal

lol...PLEASE don't take it personally - Montreal boo's the Canadian national anthem...:rolleyes: the rest of Canada has heard them do it so many times now, that we just block it out...

...not to mention the fact that 2 days later at a Leaf game (the superior hockey team of the 2 I might add) CHEERED the American National Anthem...

...and did you hear that during the season opener the Toronto Blue Jays played *God Bless America* during the 7th inning stretch?!?

Ahhh...sports...FAR more fun to talk about then politics...;)
 
Actually Madonna the Toronto Blue Jays plan on playing "God Bless America" during all their home games.
 
to answer your question, glo --


If you read my first post, think we would have had to go into Iraq sooner or later anyhow. I think Saddam is a viper who has flouted UN resolutions and the terms of the ceasefire he entered into 12 years ago, a despot and a dictator who has caused misery to his own people. the Palestinians recently named a street in Jenin after Saddam because of his support of suicide bombers who target Israel.

I just don't think President Bush handled the situation with the greatest diplomacy. His policies alienated our allies, countries that were on our side 12 years ago in the first Gulf War, and has escalated anti American sentiment in the Arab world and in Europe.

when we went into Afghanistan after 9/11, we were greeted as liberators by most of the population. and the world felt we were justified in seeking out Bin Laden and his terrorist network. one of the reasons we don't have popular sentiment on our side in Iraq is the President's diplomatic failures. the world sees our mission in Iraq as imperialistic.

so to get to your question about Israel -- no, we should not cease our support of Israel. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, the only real ally we've got. and Israel is fighting the same war we are, only for the Israelis it is closer to home. Israel fights for its own survival.

what are we fighting for?
 
Actually Madonna the Toronto Blue Jays plan on playing "God Bless America" during all their home games.

What do I know - I'm a Yankee's fan...;)

but none the less - thank you for proving my point further...


what are we fighting for?

Oh boy...*madonna is ducking behind the computer for this one*...
 

more from the Chafets article:

On Monday, according to an official Syrian newspaper (there is no other kind), the regime of Bashar Assad raised its hand for next by announcing its decision "to stand by the Iraqi people, who are facing an illegitimate and unjustified invasion."

Assad was pushed into this decision by the Bush doctrine of "for us or against us." Assad can't be for America because his Baathist colleagues would promptly cut off his head. And so he's against. That explains why Syria has recently opened its border to Saddamite recruits heading for the front and why it has been acting as a conduit for Iraqi military resupply.

I certainly won't cry for Syria. but you can see how Bush policies are setting things in motion.
 
Originally posted by Robinrs
I haven't and never will but since I am USED to being a member of a "minority" it doesn't matter to me. On the other hand, those people who are NEVER polled, including people like me and the thousands that think like me, will remember to vote next year.
As will the millions of people that think the right person is in office & will vote to keep him there. :)
 
Like it or not Bush is our President

Like it or not we are at war

Like it or not many of our traditional allies did not support us


That's the way it is.

Deal with it by voting your conscience next time you go to the polls. Deal with it by voting with your dollar next time you're in the market to purchase something or go somewhere. Name calling and inflammatory statements are not too productive.
 
I have not read through all 6 pages.
I am boycotting no one. I am pro-USA. I actually like Bush. I fully support our troops.
I detest Saddam, but I bear the Iraqi people no ill will. If I can detest Saddam without detesting the Iraqi people, then I can certainly separate my feelings for the French, German, Canadian, etc. political figures from the people who live in those countries.
A good person is a good person, no matter where they rest their head at the end of the day. JMHO.
 
This is truly one of the saddest threads I've ever read on the CB.

My heart goes out to everyone hurting on this thread.
 
So here's the question: would you want our President to send young American men and woman to die in a war our President didn't agree with just because France thought it was necessary just becuse they are our ally?

No, I would not expect the U.S. to send troops for such a thing. But I also wouldn't expect the U.S. to do everything within its power to stop France from defending itself.

That's my problem with France - I don't expect them to help militarily. I just think it would be nice if they would shut up, get the hell out of the way, and stop trying to tell us how to defend ourselves.

Nikole, perhaps you should do a little research and see how many UN resolutions the US has vetoed over the years and rethink your answer. . it's in the 1,000's and many have been put forth by France.

In the thousands? I don't think so.

one seized power after a sham election and dragged his nation into war against the weight of world opinion...and the other is namedSaddam Hussein.

Very nice - that came from what newspaper? An Egyptian one? I bet that's a first for you BR - agreeing with an Egyptian editorial. I'm surprised that you didn't attribute it to the printed source.
 
Bush is not the first to feel that Iraq had to be dealt with. Here are some quotes. Does it matter who said it?


"What if [Saddam] fails to comply
and we fail to act, or we take some
ambiguous third route, which gives
him yet more opportunities to
develop this program of weapons of
mass destruction? ... Well, he will
conclude that the international
community has lost its will. He will
then conclude that he can go right
on and do more to rebuild an arsenal
of devastating destruction. And some
day, some way, I guarantee you he'll
use the arsenal." - president Bill
Clinton, 1998.


At the time, Clinton said he "concluded then that the right thing to do was to use restraint and give Saddam one last chance to prove his willingness to cooperate. I made it very clear at that time what 'unconditional cooperation meant."


Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces," Clinton said during his Oval Office address to the nation.
"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological
weapons programs, and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the middle east and around the world," Clinton said.



I HAVE ORDERED A STRONG, SUSTAINED SERIES OF AIR STRIKES AGAINST IRAQ. THEY ARE DESIGNED TO DEGRADE SADDAM'S CAPACITY TO DEVELOP AND DELIVER WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, AND DEGRADE HIS ABILITY TO THREATEN HIS
NEIGHBORS. AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE DELIVERING A POWERFUL MESSAGE TO SADDAM, IF YOU ACT RECKLESSLY, YOU
WILL PAY A HEAVY PRICE.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Following is the text of President Clinton's statement on Iraq delivered Sunday. [15-Nov-1998]

Last night, Iraq agreed to meet the demands of the international community to cooperate fully with the United Nations weapons inspectors. Iraq committed to unconditional compliance. It rescinded its decisions of August and October to end cooperation with the inspectors. It withdrew its objectionable conditions.

In short, Iraq accepted its obligation to permit all activities of the
weapons inspectors, UNSCOM and the IAEA, to resume, in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the U.N. Security Council. The United States, together with Great Britain, and with the support of our friends and allies around the world, was poised to act militarily if Iraq had not reversed course. Our willingness to strike, together with the overwhelming weight of world opinion, produced the outcome we preferred -- Saddam
Hussein reversing course, letting the inspectors go back to work without restrictions or conditions.

As I have said since this crisis began, the return of the inspectors, if they can operate in an unfettered way, is the best outcome, because they have been and they remain the most effective tool to uncover, destroy and prevent Iraq from rebuilding its weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.

Now let me be clear. Iraq has backed down, but that is not enough. Now Iraq must live up to its obligations. Iraq has committed to unconditionally resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors. What does that mean? First, Iraq must resolve all outstanding issues raised by UNSCOM and the IAEA. Second, it must give inspectors unfettered access to inspect and to monitor all sites they choose, with no restrictions or qualifications, consistent with the memorandum of understanding Iraq itself signed with Secretary-General Annan in February. Third, it must turn over all relevant documents. Fourth, it must accept all weapons of mass destruction-related resolutions. Fifth, it must not interfere with the independence or the professional expertise of the weapons inspectors.

Last night, again, I confirmed with the U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan that he shares these understandings of Iraq's obligations.

In bringing on this crisis, Iraq isolated itself from world opinion and opinion in the region more than at any time since the Gulf War.

The United Nations Security Council voted 15 to 0 to demand that Saddam Hussein reverse course. Eight Arab nations -- Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, five other Gulf states -- warned Saddam that Iraq alone would bare responsibility for the consequences of defying the United Nations.

The world spoke with one voice. Iraq must accept once and for all that the only path forward is complete compliance with its obligations to the world. Until we see complete compliance, we will remain vigilant, we will keep up the pressure, we will be ready to act.

This crisis also demonstrates, unfortunately once again, that Saddam Hussein remains an impediment to the well being of his people and a threat to the peace of his region and the security of the world.

We will continue to contain the threat that he poses by working for the elimination of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capability under UNSCOM. Enforcing the sanctions of the no-fly zone. Responding firmly to any Iraqi provocation's.

However, over the long term, the best way to address that threat is through a government in Baghdad -- a new government that is committed to represent and respect its people, not repress them. That is committed to peace in the region.

Over the past year we have deepened our engagement with the forces of change in Iraq, reconciling the two largest Kurdish opposition groups, beginning broadcasts of a Radio Free Iraq throughout the country. We will intensify that effort, working with Congress to implement the Iraq Liberation Act, which was recently passed; strengthening our political support to make sure the opposition--or to do what we can to make the opposition a more effective voice for the aspirations of the Iraq people.

Let me say again, what we want and what we will work for is a government in Iraq that represents and respects its people -- not represses them. And one committed to live in peace with its neighbors. In the century we're leaving, America has often made the difference between tyranny and freedom
-- between chaos and community -- between fear and hope.

In this case, as so often in the past, the reason America can make this difference is the patriotism and professionalism of our military. Once again, it's strength, it's readiness, it's capacity, is advancing America's interests in the cause of world peace. We must remain vigilant, strong and ready -- here and wherever our interests and values are at stake. Thanks to our military we will be able to do so.


"In this century we learned through harsh experience that the only answer to aggression and illegal behavior is firmness, determination and, when necessary, action," Clinton said. "In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals, who travel
the world among us unnoticed.


"If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity," he said.


As long as Saddam Hussein remains in power, he represents a threat to the well-being of his people, the peace of the region, and the security of the world. We will continue to contain the threat he poses, but over the long term the best way to address that threat is through a new government in Baghdad. To that end, we -- working with the Congress -- are deepening our engagement with the forces for change in Iraq to help
make the opposition a more effective voice for the aspirations of the Iraqi people


All these quotes were made by EX-President Clinton, do you honestly think that Saddam is less dangerous now than he was 4 years ago?
 
Do you honestly think that Saddam is less dangerous now than he was 4 years ago?

NOPE!

I can't believe my eyes...some of you are actually comparing *Bush to Hitler?!?*

Poison Factorys?
Torture Chambers?
Rape Rooms?
Forcing civilians to have plastic surgery to look like your son and be used as a decoy?

I don't think that the REAL culprit who should be compared to Hitler has ever been so clear!!!
 
Gina wrote;
This is truly one of the saddest threads I've ever read on the CB.......My heart goes out to everyone hurting on this thread.

I AGREE!!!!
 
another quote from another Democratic President....not about this war, but about freedom and America....

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.



Inaugural Address
President John F. Kennedy
Washington, D.C.
January 20, 1961


It is not about what we are going to get...it is about freedom.
 
Thanks, Glo....reminds me of the American Adventure at EPCOT! I've always loved that quote, especially the second paragraph!
 
Originally posted by AirForceRocks



Very nice - that came from what newspaper? An Egyptian one? I bet that's a first for you BR - agreeing with an Egyptian editorial. I'm surprised that you didn't attribute it to the printed source. [/B]

actually it came from Jay Leno's monologue the other night. got a big laugh from the audience, too.
 
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