Florida Minimum Wage for Tipped Employees

I find it interesting that WDW doesn't consider Housekeeping a tipped position but I just returned from California and stayed at the Grand Californian Hotel, I was reading the book that tells you all about the resort and the services and amenities and it list tipped positions and Housekeeping is a tipped position in California.

Interesting. People keep saying that mousekeeping isn't a tipped position, but I looked through all my handouts during my last visit and found no list of tipped positions. This link: http://www.disney.go.com/DisneyCareers/wdwcareers/hourly/
shows starting pay for housekeeping at $8.00/hour. Starting pay for Bell Services is $7.35 - $8.00/hour. I guess there must be some inherent value in delivering luggage that warrants a tip but not so for mousekeeping?
 
Interesting. People keep saying that mousekeeping isn't a tipped position, but I looked through all my handouts during my last visit and found no list of tipped positions. This link: http://www.disney.go.com/DisneyCareers/wdwcareers/hourly/
shows starting pay for housekeeping at $8.00/hour. Starting pay for Bell Services is $7.35 - $8.00/hour. I guess there must be some inherent value in delivering luggage that warrants a tip but not so for mousekeeping?

The book that had the info was one that stays in the hotel room, not something I received at check in.
 
The book that had the info was one that stays in the hotel room, not something I received at check in.

Maybe some DVC rooms have info that others don't because I looked through everything in our room last trip and found no list of tipped positions. I was curious because this subject comes up regularly on this board.
 
Interesting. People keep saying that mousekeeping isn't a tipped position, but I looked through all my handouts during my last visit and found no list of tipped positions. This link: http://www.disney.go.com/DisneyCareers/wdwcareers/hourly/
shows starting pay for housekeeping at $8.00/hour. Starting pay for Bell Services is $7.35 - $8.00/hour. I guess there must be some inherent value in delivering luggage that warrants a tip but not so for mousekeeping?

I totally agree with this.....on past "tipping" threads I've cited many links to articles on etiquette and the industry standard which states housekeeping is a tipped position. I fully believe, on average, housekeepers do as much, if not more, than bellhops who are regularily tipped. And I feel housekeeping's role provides a more personal touch to make my stays enjoyable ones. But I recognize there is a huge resistance from many to leave a buck or two as thanks. I'll never understand that though I have to respect everyone's opinion on the subject. My thoughts are, anyone who cleans my bathrooms and makes my beds etc is well deserving of a little something from me.


Yes, your server might get paid as low as $2.13 an hour. But the employer is required to make sure that they make at least the federal minimum wage in tips + base pay, or make up the difference.
And yes, I recall having to fill out paperwork at the end of the shift and signing off to the fact that our tips brought us up to the federal minimum. The restaurant manager would make sure we all completed this.
I was suprised to hear from Dean's article that tipped employees are still making $2+ /hr. I waited tables throughout college and that's what I made back in the 80's ! Most restaurants I worked, we did "pool" tips too. It was sort of an unwritten rule to share our tips with the employees who bus'd our tables. They made about $3+ more an hour than us, but got proceeds from our tips.
Maria
 

Tipping housekeeping is an age-old custom, but it is not expected at Disney.
From passporter.com. Several years ago it was listed on Disney's website stating that housekeeping was not a tipped position. In addition, this is a timeshare, not daily maid service, a different standard. Even then, the last article I saw on hotels on this topic stated that the split was about 50/50 for the hotel industry in the US as to whether housekeeping was considered tipped or not.
 
From passporter.com. Several years ago it was listed on Disney's website stating that housekeeping was not a tipped position. In addition, this is a timeshare, not daily maid service, a different standard. Even then, the last article I saw on hotels on this topic stated that the split was about 50/50 for the hotel industry in the US as to whether housekeeping was considered tipped or not.

Several years ago we were staying at CSR before our Disney Criuse, we were taken to the YC from CSR to catch the bus to port canaveral by a wonderful CM who refused a tip, try as hard as i could to get her to take it she replied she could lose her job if she was seen taking a tip, I felt so sorry that i could'nt thank her kindness, she really was one of those Wonderfull CM'S we all know
 
Allow me to play scrooge for a minute. I resent the expectation of a tip almost everywhere now. I do not tip people for doing their job. A person's wage is between them and the employer. If the employee doesn't like the pay for a particular job, it's a free country and they can find another job.

Unskilled jobs (something most anyone can do) usually pay the least because there are plenty of people that can be hired. If these employees were able to find higher paying jobs, they would and then there would be a shortage of workers for that job and the pay would go up. Let the market determine the price.

All of you that TIP out of a sense of righting some kind of social injustice, I assume you lobby DVC hard to raise maintence dues and pay housekeeping more? Not trying to argue and I certainly don't care what anyone does with their own money but it does create an expectation in the industry which hurts everyone eventually. There is nothing wrong with what housekeeps get paid and if there was it is the fault of those that take the jobs. This is the same as saying disney ticket prices are "too high". If true, it is no one's fault but those of us that continue to buy all the tickets. Market, market, market.
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I find it interesting that WDW doesn't consider Housekeeping a tipped position but I just returned from California and stayed at the Grand Californian Hotel, I was reading the book that tells you all about the resort and the services and amenities and it list tipped positions and Housekeeping is a tipped position in California.

Things are different out here in California. We do not have a sub-minimum wage for tipped positions. Every position in California must be paid at least the state minimum wage of $8.00 per hour.
That said, it is still customary to tip servers, valets, housekeepers, and I'm sure a bunch of other people. The 20% guideline is still in effect for servers. In California tipping is not about "making up for" someones wage -it is about thanking a server for doing a good job.
I used to question things like automatic tips and such in WDW and then I learned about the sub minimum wage. I am happy Disney protects its employees with an auto gratutity. I'll find a manager if there is a problems. I am morally opposed to the sub-minimum wage, but it is not DVCs problem, or WDW's problem or even Florida's problem. It is a federal issue. If you want to see change effected you must address the issus at a federal level. Frankly, as much as I'd like to, this is not an issue one person can change. The call for change will have to come from the labor unions and the field itself for anything to be done.
 
Several years ago we were staying at CSR before our Disney Criuse, we were taken to the YC from CSR to catch the bus to port canaveral by a wonderful CM who refused a tip, try as hard as i could to get her to take it she replied she could lose her job if she was seen taking a tip, I felt so sorry that i could'nt thank her kindness, she really was one of those Wonderfull CM'S we all know
Publix has a rule that the employee must refuse a tip 3 times then they can accept it after that.

Allow me to play scrooge for a minute. I resent the expectation of a tip almost everywhere now. I do not tip people for doing their job. A person's wage is between them and the employer. If the employee doesn't like the pay for a particular job, it's a free country and they can find another job.

Unskilled jobs (something most anyone can do) usually pay the least because there are plenty of people that can be hired. If these employees were able to find higher paying jobs, they would and then there would be a shortage of workers for that job and the pay would go up. Let the market determine the price.

All of you that TIP out of a sense of righting some kind of social injustice, I assume you lobby DVC hard to raise maintence dues and pay housekeeping more? Not trying to argue and I certainly don't care what anyone does with their own money but it does create an expectation in the industry which hurts everyone eventually. There is nothing wrong with what housekeeps get paid and if there was it is the fault of those that take the jobs. This is the same as saying disney ticket prices are "too high". If true, it is no one's fault but those of us that continue to buy all the tickets. Market, market, market.
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I think there's a lot of truth in what you say. Today's non tipped position will become tomorrow's tipped position if tips are routinely offered. And I do think a lot of people feel guilty and thus tip when it should not be expected. Their choice of course but there are consequences beyond just "helping" the object of the tip.
 
mtnman44 : All of you that TIP out of a sense of righting some kind of social injustice, I assume you lobby DVC hard to raise maintence dues and pay housekeeping more? (Really ?)

Not trying to argue and I certainly don't care what anyone does with their own money but it does create an expectation in the industry which hurts everyone eventually. There is nothing wrong with what housekeeps get paid and if there was it is the fault of those that take the jobs.(again, really ?)

Dean : I think there's a lot of truth in what you say. Today's non tipped position will become tomorrow's tipped position if tips are routinely offered. And I do think a lot of people feel guilty and thus tip when it should not be expected. Their choice of course but there are consequences beyond just "helping" the object of the tip.

well, just for the record, not that it matters here on these boards, but couldn't disagree with both of you more.

Social injustice nor guilt has anything to do with our decision to tip bell hops/housekeeping or whoever we choose. I've posted my reasons many times over the months and years so won't go into it again.......


Maria
 
Social injustice nor guilt has anything to do with our decision to tip bell hops/housekeeping or whoever we choose. I've posted my reasons many times over the months and years so won't go into it again.......


Maria
It may or may not apply to you but for many I believe this is the case for many.
 
Allow me to play scrooge for a minute. I resent the expectation of a tip almost everywhere now. I do not tip people for doing their job. A person's wage is between them and the employer. If the employee doesn't like the pay for a particular job, it's a free country and they can find another job.

Unskilled jobs (something most anyone can do) usually pay the least because there are plenty of people that can be hired. If these employees were able to find higher paying jobs, they would and then there would be a shortage of workers for that job and the pay would go up. Let the market determine the price.

All of you that TIP out of a sense of righting some kind of social injustice, I assume you lobby DVC hard to raise maintence dues and pay housekeeping more? Not trying to argue and I certainly don't care what anyone does with their own money but it does create an expectation in the industry which hurts everyone eventually. There is nothing wrong with what housekeeps get paid and if there was it is the fault of those that take the jobs. This is the same as saying disney ticket prices are "too high". If true, it is no one's fault but those of us that continue to buy all the tickets. Market, market, market.
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Always glad to hear people who don't tip say it's because they want to let the market forces determine the price. There are plenty of theories going 'round about people who don't tip, too, so I'm glad you clarified the true reasons for us.(Edited to add: tongue firmly in cheek).
 
It may or may not apply to you but for many I believe this is the case for many.

I've been in several tipping debates over the years Dean.
Just getting funnier and funnier now. Never before have I heard some of the statements I just did a couple posts back.
It's like, the folks who were in disagreement with those of us who choose to see the validity in our right to tip, are coming up with more and more reasons to make us look like there is something wrong with our choice/decision to do so. Now we're wanting to lobby for higher MF's, feeling guilty, see it as a social wrong doing, (and I guess just plain crazy too is gonna be next ;);)). I say that in fun---maybe ? ;)

I would never even begin to think of saying any of the things that were just said against those of you who choose not to tip ? And I can think of some things right now. I could defintely think of a few things I could respond with to mtnman44 (and they commented they were not trying to be argumentative ?) but I won't because I realize---unlike them---that there are valid reasons for an individual's reason to tip or not. And the reason TO tip should not be made out to be a derogatory trait as some are insinuating ?

And if one thinks that a few derogatory comments can't be made towards those who choose NOT to tip....well, it comes down to the fact that just because they can be made, doesn't mean they should be made....it's about respect for eachother.....that's all.


Maria
 
Allow me to play scrooge for a minute...I do not tip people for doing their job.
Tipping is part of the "social contract" in many situtaions---for example, restaurant waitstaff---and you absolutely are expected to tip such a person for "doing their job." You may choose not to, as is your right, but not doing so is scrooge-worthy, indeed.

As it happens, I prefer the system used in many other countries, where a service charge is automatically added onto the bill, and is not at the discretion of the customer. In most such countries, you might leave a little extra pocket change, the coins left over from your bill, but this is literally pennies in most cases. And it seems to me that we in the States are inching ever closer to this model---a few of my local restaurants do this, and I enjoy them even more for it.
 
I've been in several tipping debates over the years Dean.
Just getting funnier and funnier now. Never before have I heard some of the statements I just did a couple posts back.
It's like, the folks who were in disagreement with those of us who choose to see the validity in our right to tip, are coming up with more and more reasons to make us look like there is something wrong with our choice/decision to do so. Now we're wanting to lobby for higher MF's, feeling guilty, see it as a social wrong doing, (and I guess just plain crazy too is gonna be next ;);)). I say that in fun---maybe ? ;)

I would never even begin to think of saying any of the things that were just said against those of you who choose not to tip ? And I can think of some things right now. I could defintely think of a few things I could respond with to mtnman44 (and they commented they were not trying to be argumentative ?) but I won't because I realize---unlike them---that there are valid reasons for an individual's reason to tip or not. And the reason TO tip should not be made out to be a derogatory trait as some are insinuating ?

And if one thinks that a few derogatory comments can't be made towards those who choose NOT to tip....well, it comes down to the fact that just because they can be made, doesn't mean they should be made....it's about respect for eachother.....that's all.


Maria
I'm not debating with you Maria, just stating how I see it. If you see that as funny, so be it. Philosophically I do see it as a problem to tip people that are not in positions designated to be tipped unless they do something beyond their regular job but I also recognize the rights of those who chose to do so. My comments were on the reasons that SOME tip, I stand by them, there was an article in USA today that I posted a link to at one time but can't find it at present. So to me it is a matter of philosophy and not of $$$.



Tipping is part of the "social contract" in many situtaions---for example, restaurant waitstaff---and you absolutely are expected to tip such a person for "doing their job." You may choose not to, as is your right, but not doing so is scrooge-worthy, indeed.

As it happens, I prefer the system used in many other countries, where a service charge is automatically added onto the bill, and is not at the discretion of the customer. In most such countries, you might leave a little extra pocket change, the coins left over from your bill, but this is literally pennies in most cases. And it seems to me that we in the States are inching ever closer to this model---a few of my local restaurants do this, and I enjoy them even more for it.
While I agree John, one has to be careful that the service charge actually goes to the people you want to "tip". In many locations it doesn't or does so only partly, Aruba seems to be especially bad and common in this area where the added service charge (usually 15%) often doesn't go to the person you would tip at all. Then there are those on a cruise who avoid the dining room the last night simply to avoid the tip. While I don't like the system in general, punishing the person who does the work to make a point or for the reason of saving a few $$$ is despicable. Certainly if you don't get the service expected an adjustment or even complaint can be in order but that's different than simply stiffing someone where a tip is clearly expected and appropriate and well published.
 
Now calm down some of you. I was not trying to insult anyone's personal choices in regards to tipping. By the way, I tip plenty for the established tipped services where it has become customary to include TIPS as part of the employees' wages.

I was merely trying to give a counter-argument to some of the "they work hard" ,"they deserve it", "they don't get paid enough" arguments. While these are subjective statements, I'm not saying they are wrong. I'm sure if we were to ask around, I doubt there are many folks at all that don't feel those statements apply to them as well, including EVERYONE that works at the resorts and parks, not just the housekeepers. Who is reading this right now that feels they don't work that hard and get paid too much? :thumbsup2

Those types of arguments and reasonings are based on emotions mostly. Like I said, people can do what they want with their own money. If you like tipping people, go for it. I was just trying to point out a few economic realities as it applies to widespread tipping. Personally, I wish there was no tipping at all and restaurants just raised prices in order to pay normal wages and let them compete in the market for both customers and labor. I guess my overall point is that I think it is unwise to allow more and more industries supplemenet, and even lower, the wages they pay in lieu of tipping. This also allows them to obscure the true price.

Also, I feel that tipping as it continues to become more and more "expected" as a part of eating out, etc (the "social contract" as was pointed out earlier), it is becomming less and less a function of ensuring good service and much more like a simple part of the total cost.

As tipping becomes more and more expected and automatic, service quality declines. In the case of traditionally non-tipped positons, this expectation can lead to worse service and resentment when tips are not received.

This sense of entitlement is spreading rapidly. Almost everywhere there is a TIP jar now, simply for rinigng up your purchase. While it has not yet become part of a social contract, I think that it could easily become such. Once tipping is frequent enough, employers will reduce wages and include tips as part of the overall pay for jobs. This is inevitable once tipping is commonplace. Once this occurs, employees will be even less motivated by tips because they will be more or less guaranteed to be given, as is the case with restaurant servers now. This eventuality is the exact oppossitie of the original purpose of tipping. I do not feel that the tipping procedure provides any benefit at a restaurant these days and it merely a stupid way of segmenting the cost of a meal. It's more and more common now to have the tip simply automatically included on the bill which has led many ,many people to wonder what the point of a tip even is at that point.


Those of you that feel that "letting the market" decide the price is a bad argument, feel free to please provide your counter-reasoning on a better, more efficient system the benefits all parties involved.

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I say to each their own. We are very generous tippers when service is good (restaurant servers, bellmen, etc.) However, when it comes to housekeeping/mousekeeping, I rarely tip. For instance, before we checked out of both of our villas, we made sure that everything was immaculate. We even pull the linens off the beds, towels off racks and place everything in seperate piles. The floors are vaccumed and all dishes have been washed and put back in their proper place. As I see it, I have cleaned up after myself and my family. The mousekeeper has very little to do in preparation for the next guest(s). I believe that they are paid a rate on par with the work that they do. It really is unskilled labor that I have already paid for in my dues. I will leave a tip for extra services but I will not leave a tip for duties within their job description.

Personally, I have never agreed with the tipping system in the States either. The server bringing me my burger and fries at the local diner has to work just as hard as the server bringing me a filet at a top restaurant. I still don't understand why tips shuld be based upon the cost of the food. Just because I go along with it does not mean that I like it.

We all have our reasons for tipping/not tipping. Since in this particular case it is not mandatory, I say do what what you feel most comfortable doing :)
 
Publix has a rule that the employee must refuse a tip 3 times then they can accept it after that.

I think there's a lot of truth in what you say. Today's non tipped position will become tomorrow's tipped position if tips are routinely offered. And I do think a lot of people feel guilty and thus tip when it should not be expected. Their choice of course but there are consequences beyond just "helping" the object of the tip.


We tip and we HARDLY feel guilty about it. We spend good $$$ to travel to Disney and other destinations. There is no better way to say thank you to someone who makes far less than we do. It is simply part of our travel budget.

We do it quite simply - because it's the right thing to do.

Anyone remember Emily Post? (not so sure when I see bahaviour now a-days).

Below is a copy of the tipping guidelines from Emily Post's website.

I believe this answers the question well enough for us.

Skycap
$2 first bag, $1 per additional bag

Doorman
$1-$2 for carrying luggage
$1-$2 for hailing cab
$1-$4 beyond the call of duty

Bellhop
$2 first bag, $1 per additional bag

Housekeeper
$2-$5 per day, left daily

Concierge
$5 for tickets or reservations, $10 if hard to get; no need to tip for answering questions
 
I say to each their own. We are very generous tippers when service is good (restaurant servers, bellmen, etc.) However, when it comes to housekeeping/mousekeeping, I rarely tip. For instance, before we checked out of both of our villas, we made sure that everything was immaculate. We even pull the linens off the beds, towels off racks and place everything in seperate piles. The floors are vaccumed and all dishes have been washed and put back in their proper place. As I see it, I have cleaned up after myself and my family. The mousekeeper has very little to do in preparation for the next guest(s). I believe that they are paid a rate on par with the work that they do. It really is unskilled labor that I have already paid for in my dues. I will leave a tip for extra services but I will not leave a tip for duties within their job description.

Personally, I have never agreed with the tipping system in the States either. The server bringing me my burger and fries at the local diner has to work just as hard as the server bringing me a filet at a top restaurant. I still don't understand why tips shuld be based upon the cost of the food. Just because I go along with it does not mean that I like it.

We all have our reasons for tipping/not tipping. Since in this particular case it is not mandatory, I say do what what you feel most comfortable doing :)

Well said! :thumbsup2
 
Okay, I didn't read the whole "debate" thing going on

My question is, If anyone actually knows, Does the Server receive the entire 18% gratuity plus that they are "given" by us OR do they pool among others OR do they tip out any other staff members??

This would be interesting to find out- My DH & I were both in the Food Service Industry for years- I was a trainer for about 5 years for 2 different establishments (casual dining popular restaurant & a Country Club)

My DH has been a District Manager for over 12 years-
We recognize & respect good service and tip accordingly - ALWAYS!

I don't like to find that my hard working server had to share with a loafer...
I also don't like to find that my server had to split a percentage with a higher base payed employee-
I trust 18% w/ Disney servers is well over minimum wage (I know what our tips came to when we were there in April)

I used to be a server long long ago (I was young and made so much money) & I claimed all of my tips- (If you plan to get a loan and don't "show" that you actually make 30K+ a year, they will only go by your minimum) Word to the wise there- I am a loan officer now so that is a fact!

Mousekeeping may or may not get tipped from us as DVC owners- We don't ever see them or receive additional services- I do like to leave a little if we see them as they clean other open villas and make a point to see are we still taken care of- (This did happen, very nice, she offered more soaps etc and we appreciated the thought even though we didn't need anything)
 



















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