First time looking at DSLR's...advice please!

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I got my first 35mm SLR in 1982. Was a Pentax and it was great for learning how to shoot. In the late 80's I moved to a Nikon and was much happier with it.

Fast forward many years...in fact about 2009. I started thinking about getting back into photography after not having the time for so many years; but what to buy? My DIL got a Canon EOS last year on the advice of a professor at her college and was not overly happy with it.

As a former Nikon owner, I am leaning towards another. I am not a Pro by eny means but I feel I am leaning towards either the D3100 or the D5000 to get me back into things. What would you all suggest? I would love the D7000 but my budget is limited at this time; I am more interested in getting back into shooting as opposed to saving for a better camera.

Any advice you could give would be appreciated. Thanks!!
 
Unless you're truly set on getting a Nikon, I'd suggest looking at the Rebel line too. What model did your DIL have?? And what didn't she like about it???
 
You really should give all brands a consideration. I prefer Pentax and the current K-x and K-r models are about the most bang for the buck you can get right now. That said, it might not necessarily be the best fit for you because only you can determine that. One thing I have always liked about the Pentax DSLRs I have had is that they are on the small side for a DSLR, but still feel good in my hands. I have not handled the Rebel T1i or T2i, but all the models of Rebel before them just don't feel right to me. (again, to me)

One other thing to note, if you still have any of the old Pentax lenses, they will work on a new DSLR. That is not necessarily the case for other brands.
 
Here is a link to a Nikon lens compatibility chart. it will tell you if you might be able to utilize any old Nikon lenses you have.
http://www.nikonians.org/nikon/slr-lens.html

As far as what brand... It's really a personal choice. Just go to the store and find what fits you. If there are specific features you want (like video or high ISO range) keep those in mind when you look. I know people say this one has these features, this other one has these and that's why it's better... but really, they're all capable of producing amazing images in the right hands.
 

If you keep yourself in the $500 to $900 range for the camera body and basic kit lens, you can get some very nice and capable cameras, with modern high ISO abilities and nice features, long lasting batteries, and plenty of room to learn and grow...very few people truly need more than this level of camera, though some eventually 'want' more. I'd suggest starting here yourself, start building lenses you want/need, and then decide if down the road upgrading to a midrange or higher body is something you feel you want or need to do. For the most part, the higher-end bodies don't get you better pictures - they just offer better builds and better controls and more durability for enthusiast or pro-level usage, sometimes those better controls and features might help increase your hit rate. But a skilled photographer can take just as lovely a photo with the entry-level DSLR and a nice lens as they could with the pro model.

Definitely consider all brands - no reason to start limiting yourself right out of the gate. They all make fine products, and there are some unique selling points to each of the brands that might suit your needs just right. Also, all the designs are different, and one in particular might fit you like a glove. Nikon, Canon, Sony, Pentax, and Olympus are the 5 players in the DSLR market, and you could land yourself a fine camera from any of them. Each has some bottom-line cameras that are plenty capable for normal snapshooting and travel shooting, but might be a bit challenged shooting in low light and high ISO ranges - I think you should step up to the next level of camera if your budget can handle the range I noted. The $500 and under entry-level cameras for various reasons are just a notch down in ability.

I'd recommend looking at, handling, and considering the Canon 550D, the Nikon D3100 & 5000, the Pentax KR, the Sony A580 & A33 or A55, and the Olympus E620 to name a few. If you can find them around, some closeout models from last year are still quite worthy and can deliver serious bang for your buck - look at Nikon D90, Sony A500 and A550, and Pentax KX.

Start listing out features you want or need, or find interesting, and see which cameras check the most boxes for you - stabilization, live view, multiple control dials, tilting LCDs, pentaprism viewfinders, video capabilities, burst speeds, weatherproofing, battery meters, wireless flash control, older lens compatibility, in-body focus motors, and so on.

And feel free to fish for more information here if you need it.
 
I'd recommend looking at, handling, and considering the Canon 550D, the Nikon D3100 & 5000, the Pentax KR, the Sony A580 & A33 or A55, and the Olympus E620 to name a few. If you can find them around, some closeout models from last year are still quite worthy and can deliver serious bang for your buck - look at Nikon D90, Sony A500 and A550, and Pentax KX.
Agreed. The Nikon D5000 is also out of production now and worth a serious look -- though it might be harder to locate than a D90. Not sure because I haven't tried, but I believe it actually went out of production before the D90.

Scott
 
Entry level Nikons (D3000, 3100, 5000) don't have an auto focus motor in the body of the camera, which means that you are limited on which lenses you can use. (Assuming that you want to auto focus - I can't imagine manually focusing everything.) You need to use lenses that have the auto focus motor in the lens.

I would highly suggest the Nikon D90 - body only - and then picking up a lens or 2. The price has been going up and down - especially now that the D7000 is out. I have seen it as low as $650.
 
You are already ahead of the game having used an SLR before. Many users today are new to the game and it can be pretty overwhelming learning the three things you need to know: basic photography principles, the camera itself, and post processing.

Don't rush into a purchase. Spend some time researching dSLRs and brands, models. See what the pros and cons are to each and whether those are something you care to live with. Even the higher end cameras aren't a great deal if a user finds them too complex to use, etc. (I actually met a woman who told me her husband had bought her a dSLR but she hadn't used it because she couldn't figure out how to turn it on! Extreme, but a good example of how overwhelming this can be to many.)

Examine your shooting style and habits - how do you plan to use and carry your gear? Are your hands arthritic, say? If so, a huge, heavy body might not be for you, for instance. Some say lenses are forever and therefore more important than bodies, that come and go. Body prices sometimes drop right before a new model is coming out.

As others have said, most important is going to be how the camera feels to you, ie it's ergonomics. You have to be comfortable using it. (Maybe this is why your DIL didn't like her choice? Because certainly it's a capable line.) The only caveat is that box type stores today are limited in what they carry so you may not be able to see and feel all of the options. People, including salespeople, also get very opinionated about their own personal choices or what they've heard, so listen to what they say with an open mind (which is where your own reseach comes into play as their information may or may not be accurate and since things are changing all the time, there could have been features in an older model that were upgraded in a newer, etc).

You certainly can't go wrong with a Nikon if that's what your gut feels. But there are other nice choices out there as well. Other than that I won't repeat what others have already offered. Good luck!
 
Thanks for the advice.

I'm not sure why my DIL is not happy with her Canon, but personally I was not happy with the versatility of their SLRs years ago as compared with the Nikons. I am hoping to buy within the next couple of months so that I have some time to play with it before our June trip. I will definitely take your advice into consideration and once I decide I'll post a few pics. Thanks!

Will
 
Thanks all for the feedback!

As it looks after seeing what everyone has to say, I really think I am going to stick with Nikon as I already have a good feel for the company and its previous products. My first 35mm Nikon was a FA and I always had great luck with it. That being said I am starting to lean toward the D90 based on further research. I want versatility and as I shoot a lot of variety I want a solid camera to play with.

I have my eye on a refurbished model that I can get a good deal on (saves me some $$) so that I can pick up an extra lens or two. I'm thinking something up to 200m or 300m and a wide angle as I love landscape/cityscape shots.

Hopefully by end of March I'll be able to show you some pics.

Thanks again!
 
All of the manufactures make decent gear. The big problem with Pentax is lack of accessories and not a very strong glass line. Sony's NEX system has a nearly unusable menu system. Which leaves Nikon and Canon as serious contenders. I've been a fan of Nikon for a long time, which is why I still shoot them. I will say though, Canon's new menu system makes usability sooooo nice.

That all being said, I would highly recommend holding out another paycheck and taking a serious look at a D7000. It is by far probably the best APS-C sensor (aka DX) body on the market. 1080p/24 video w/ autofocus, plenty of resolution, compatible with nearly every Nikkor ever made, a great new interface with custom user modes but most importantly, the best noise levels ever seen on a DX sensor. Seriously, at 100% crops they come out nicer than a Canon 5D full frame, blow away Nikon's own D300s (their flagship DX model) and even approach's upon Nikons own full frame. This gives you the ability to shoot at a higher ISO range, which means faster shutters, which for low light, especially if you're not going to cart around a tripod, it a huge advantage.

$1500 will get you the body + the "kit" lens, an 18-105 VR. While it's not pro glass, it's actually a quite decent lens. Anything that would be a big upgrade over the 18-105 for the casual shooter is going to be big money, start thinking 800+ per lens and you'll need at least 2 to cover the range that the 18-105 gives you. Add a 35mm f1.8 to your bag for $200 and you have a great combination.

I was able to get some good time behind one last week and I'll be picking mine up next week ;)
 
Video is not a requirement for me, but I can see what you mean about the 7000. Well, since I won't be getting it till April, I'll keep looking at options. My wife just told me the other day I research things to death, lol. Thanks!
 
All of the manufactures make decent gear. The big problem with Pentax is lack of accessories and not a very strong glass line. Sony's NEX system has a nearly unusable menu system. Which leaves Nikon and Canon as serious contenders. I've been a fan of Nikon for a long time, which is why I still shoot them. I will say though, Canon's new menu system makes usability sooooo nice.

That all being said, I would highly recommend holding out another paycheck and taking a serious look at a D7000. It is by far probably the best APS-C sensor (aka DX) body on the market. 1080p/24 video w/ autofocus, plenty of resolution, compatible with nearly every Nikkor ever made, a great new interface with custom user modes but most importantly, the best noise levels ever seen on a DX sensor. Seriously, at 100% crops they come out nicer than a Canon 5D full frame, blow away Nikon's own D300s (their flagship DX model) and even approach's upon Nikons own full frame. This gives you the ability to shoot at a higher ISO range, which means faster shutters, which for low light, especially if you're not going to cart around a tripod, it a huge advantage.

You are the first person I have ever heard say this. While it is a great camera and sensor, saying it is "by far probably the best" is a bit of an exaggeration. Every DSLR maker has incredibly performing DSLRs these days and even noticing a difference at the top levels would take some extreme pixel peeping. Also, the D7000 sensor is supposed to be made by Sony and might be the exact same (or at least very close) model as the one in the Sony A55.

I also disagree with your assessment of the Pentax line. Unless you want professional lenses and accessories (i.e. spending many thousands of dollars) then they are not limited. In fact, they have arguably the best prime lens lineup around (and all stabilized unlike Canon and Nikon). For that matter, Sony and Olympus have just as much to offer at the consumer level as well. Go back five years ago and this was not the case, but currently for the non-professional any brand's mount has about anything you could want. How much all that is going to cost and how the ergonomics feel are much more important now than just saying you have to go Canon or Nikon.
 
All of the manufactures make decent gear. The big problem with Pentax is lack of accessories and not a very strong glass line. Sony's NEX system has a nearly unusable menu system. Which leaves Nikon and Canon as serious contenders. I've been a fan of Nikon for a long time, which is why I still shoot them. I will say though, Canon's new menu system makes usability sooooo nice.

I'd tend to call this a personal opinion combined with some misinformation or missing facts. Pentax's lens collection and accessory collection isn't as large as Canon or Nikon, but I've not heard anyone call their lenses 'not very strong'...most seem to agree their glass is quite good.

Re: Sony, first off, the NEX menu architecture is 'unusable' to you, based on the first generation version of it. Others seem to have found it OK...so again, a bit subjective here. But also note that Sony issued a firmware allowing the menu architecture to be completely customized, to where most-used functions can be placed on one-touch access to the main control buttons...which was the main complaint in the first version.

But the biggest mistake of the post was to mention the NEX menu as unusable, therefore rendering Sony a non-competitor. Missing the blindingly obvious fact that Sony's Alpha line is many times larger and more diverse than their NEX line, with many more lenses. If one doesn't like the NEX, they can consider any of the 7 current Alpha models available, with over 105 current lenses in that mount and over 350 Minolta-mount lenses fully compatible with it.

It would behoove most people to consider all available manufacturers and omit those they don't like the feel of, those that don't have needed features, those they don't consider price-competitive, or those that don't have the needed lenses or accessories. It doesn't behoove anyone to just dismiss 2 or 3 manufacturers without consideration from the outset.

And as mentioned, the excellent D7000 is ONE OF the best APS-C sensors on the market - that sensor, a 16MP APS-C sensor manufactured by Sony, is also shared in Pentax's K5 and Sony's A55 and A580. The performance in all respects is about even between the D7000, K5, and A580. Including the excellent high ISO performance. The relative bargain of that crowd may in fact be the $800 A580. But they're all excellent cameras, and each has some advantages over the others that should be considered by anyone shopping.
 
Well, I researched this to death. Visited several stores and got my hands on many models and really analyzed my shooting requirements. I somehow knew that when I got started I couldn't wait...(c'mon..a new toy!) so I dug around and finally narrowed it down to what I felt was the best camera for me.

So today...I pulled the trigger. I got a great deal on a d300s and was able to get some nice glass as well. Now I have to be patient and wait for delivery...I hate waiting! lol.

Thanks for all the advice! You all helped me winnow it down to where it made sense. Now I have just over 3 and a half months to learn this puppy before our June trip.

Will:dance3:
 
Woo, apparently I ruffled some feathers! Sorry guys, it wasn't my intentions. I should have clarified some things in my post.

You are the first person I have ever heard say this. While it is a great camera and sensor, saying it is "by far probably the best" is a bit of an exaggeration. Every DSLR maker has incredibly performing DSLRs these days and even noticing a difference at the top levels would take some extreme pixel peeping. Also, the D7000 sensor is supposed to be made by Sony and might be the exact same (or at least very close) model as the one in the Sony A55.

I should have said, it's by far probably one of the nicest DX bodies on the market with the best sensor. As someone who shoots in low light, often, this is huge, especially when (in terms of noise) it's beating out everyone else, including the big flagship models (that aren't full frame).

Yes, the D7k sensor is manufactured by Sony. Nikon lacks the fab plants to do it and it's FAR cheaper to have Sony do the "grunt work" on it. What is now known, according to a few sources I've read, the design of the sensor was done by Nikon and is exclusive to them. There are other cameras that use a 16mp sensor similar to the D7k's, but supposedly, they aren't the same.

I also disagree with your assessment of the Pentax line. Unless you want professional lenses and accessories (i.e. spending many thousands of dollars) then they are not limited. In fact, they have arguably the best prime lens lineup around (and all stabilized unlike Canon and Nikon). For that matter, Sony and Olympus have just as much to offer at the consumer level as well. Go back five years ago and this was not the case, but currently for the non-professional any brand's mount has about anything you could want. How much all that is going to cost and how the ergonomics feel are much more important now than just saying you have to go Canon or Nikon.

I partially agree with that. My issue is, I have friends that started out on 'other than Canon or Nkon' gear, bought a ton of stuff and have now run out of options. A few of them are now REALLY into photography and are at a dead end. Their only option was to sell all of the gear they sunk their money into for a significant discount over what they paid and start with a whole new system. The other issue is you lose out on almost all 3rd party glass. Tokina makes some amazing glass, usually less expensive than the OEM's, that is only available to Canon and Nikon users. The same applies with Tamron. Unless you're shooting Canon, Nikon and in this case, Sony, you miss out on the 18-270mm, which is super sharp, inexpensive and one of the best 'walk around' lenses you can get your hands on. Oly/Pentax is completely left out.

I'm not saying that everyone needs to run out and buy a 17-50 2.8, nor will everyone want a 18-270mm, but to say that people aren't willing to spend the money might be a bit of an overstatement. I know there is at least one person running around here with a D3100 and a Nikkor 70-200 2.8, a piece of glass that cost 4 times as much as the body that it's mounted on.

I guess I see it as buying a Ferrari that's limited to 55mph. You have this great body, but can't make full use of it.


Re: Sony, first off, the NEX menu architecture is 'unusable' to you, based on the first generation version of it. Others seem to have found it OK...so again, a bit subjective here. But also note that Sony issued a firmware allowing the menu architecture to be completely customized, to where most-used functions can be placed on one-touch access to the main control buttons...which was the main complaint in the first version.

But the biggest mistake of the post was to mention the NEX menu as unusable, therefore rendering Sony a non-competitor. Missing the blindingly obvious fact that Sony's Alpha line is many times larger and more diverse than their NEX line, with many more lenses. If one doesn't like the NEX, they can consider any of the 7 current Alpha models available, with over 105 current lenses in that mount and over 350 Minolta-mount lenses fully compatible with it.


This I was unaware of and as such, I'll retract my statement. I remember playing with a Sony and I had to put it down after 5 minutes because I was so frustrated with how back asswards everything was. I couldn't believe that they would let something like that go out the door. It's like no one (that didn't design the UI) actually took the camera out and used it.

It would behoove most people to consider all available manufacturers and omit those they don't like the feel of, those that don't have needed features, those they don't consider price-competitive, or those that don't have the needed lenses or accessories. It doesn't behoove anyone to just dismiss 2 or 3 manufacturers without consideration from the outset.

I agree and I'm probably biased to "the big 2". As I said above, it just seems limiting to get into a system that is fairly dead ended. Look at all of the poor Oly 4/3's guys. Olympus themselves has pretty much admitted they're users will never see a new 4/3 body or glass as it's a dead format and they're moving on with m4/3. I like knowing that I can grab any Nikon mount lens, throw it on my camera and use it. All of that glass, ever made, all the way to way back when.

And as mentioned, the excellent D7000 is ONE OF the best APS-C sensors on the market - that sensor, a 16MP APS-C sensor manufactured by Sony, is also shared in Pentax's K5 and Sony's A55 and A580. The performance in all respects is about even between the D7000, K5, and A580. Including the excellent high ISO performance. The relative bargain of that crowd may in fact be the $800 A580. But they're all excellent cameras, and each has some advantages over the others that should be considered by anyone shopping.

I clarified the "best" comment and the sensor above. I'll throw some things out to help defend my comment though;

Weather sealed body
Optional battery grip
100% viewfinder
3D tracking
Amazingly low noise
Magnesium Alloy body
1080p/24
14bit lossless compressed RAW
2 SD slots
39 point AF (w/ 9 cross type)
25k ISO
6fps
2 user modes on dial

Really the only thing I don't like about the D7000.. 100% SD. I have to drop $300 on new memory now, lol.

As I said in my original post, almost everyone out there makes great gear, but I tend to look at the entire system and how it's going to effect me over years of use. Glass is expensive and not something I want to have to re-invest in over and over. I want to be in a format that I know will be around for a long, long time. Even with all of my DX glass, that can all still be used on FX. Right now, it's a 7mp penalty to use DX on a D3/D700. The guys "in the know" all seem to think the next FX camera is going to be a 24mp sensor, so all things being equal, the next gen cams should see ~10mp in DX mode rather than the current 5mp. 5mp is pretty usable, but 10mp opens up a lot more doors when shooting DX on FX.

My 2c.
 
By the way, no problems on the comments and friendly debate - I don't get heated over anything like this - just want to spread the information for those not as 'in the know'!

I clarified the "best" comment and the sensor above. I'll throw some things out to help defend my comment though;

Weather sealed body
Optional battery grip
100% viewfinder
3D tracking
Amazingly low noise
Magnesium Alloy body
1080p/24
14bit lossless compressed RAW
2 SD slots
39 point AF (w/ 9 cross type)
25k ISO
6fps
2 user modes on dial

No question, the D7000 seems to be a mighty fine camera. And feature-wise, it's pretty solid - well worth the money they charge for it. The Sony A580, with the same sensor, is pretty solid too, though definitely not in the same class as the D7000 - but it doesn't try to be, given that it's half the price.

In comparison, the A580 is missing the partial body sealing, the 100% viewfinder, the mag alloy body, has less focus points, and no user modes. However, it does have an optional battery grip, a real-time no delay live view system with tilting LCD, amazingly low noise, 2 memory card slots (1 SD, 1 MS Duo), 25,600 ISO, 5fps with tracking or 7fps with fixed focus, and in-body stabilization. So the way I see it, it doesn't have everything the D7000 has, but it does make back a few points for other features unique to it...and then prices itself drastically below the Nikon's price, fully accepting of the fact that it doesn't compete with the Nikon's build or features, therefore shouldn't carry a similar price tag. It's one reason it stands as quite a bargain...and I'd say about even as far as 'bang for the buck' with the Nikon and Pentax.

They're all fine cameras. And whether one would worry about the line being a dead-end - I suppose there might be some question regarding Olympus' continuation of DSLRs...but Pentax appears to have a stable niche at the moment, and Sony is one of the most prolific players in the DSLR market lately, with no less than 12 APS-C or full-frame sensor cameras released in the last year and a half, and 2 more coming soon. They've got a firm #3 position, and are releasing both new bodies and new lenses quite regularly in both their E and Alpha lines. Along with their takeover and full compatibility with Minolta Maxxum's lenses going back to 1985, they are not as much a dead end choice as some may think who haven't ever looked at them, or who have a preexisting bias against Sony as a corporation.

I personally own or have owned Canon, Sony, and Pentax SLR/DSLR cameras, and Fuji, Panasonic and Sony P&S models - I hold no specific loyalties and just pick what I know will work for my needs. I'm not a beginner or amateur with no specific needs; in fact I'm a semi-pro photographer and do have a nice investment in lenses that suit my needs with wildlife and bird shooting, night shooting, and a strong need for high ISO capabilities like you! If I hadn't gone with Sony Alpha, I might have leaned towards Nikon as a second choice personally, as their performance and ergonomics suited me, which Canon and Nikon did not. However, the lack of an effective live view capability for fast shooting has kept me away from them and in the Sony line for now.
 
The guys "in the know" all seem to think the next FX camera is going to be a 24mp sensor, so all things being equal, the next gen cams should see ~10mp in DX mode rather than the current 5mp. 5mp is pretty usable, but 10mp opens up a lot more doors when shooting DX on FX.

My 2c.

You must be talking only about Nikon? Sony has had a 24mp Full frame for 2 1/2 years that shoots at 11mp with DT (DX) lenses.
 


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