First Person Accounts

wvrevy

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In this day of the "blogger", first person accounts of what went down in the days immediately following Katrina's landfall are already starting to hit the internet. There are quite a few sites out there that have accounts from people that were trapped in New Orleans hotels (couldn't get out of the city...no cars for rent, and the airport was closed) and have finally been able to make it home.

If you have a weak stomach, you may want to avoid any of these accounts. But if you can, I urge you to search them out. It may help some people to understand the anger and frustration that many of us have exhibited over the last week. I particularly recommend several that have been posted at the DailyKos blog, but keep in mind that this is a liberal site, so it's not going to be real friendly to Bush/Nero.
 
I read a first person account of some of what he experienced in the days after the hurricane inside New Orleans. He witnessed alligators feeding on human remains.

He said he was very thankful for having the right to own and use a gun.
 
This account of the convention center was sent to me by the friend of a friend. I left out her name because I'm not sure how public it was intended to be.

Reading these accounts might be hard, but I think it is important for people to hear what happened from sources other than the media and popular press.



>>i heard from my aunt last night that my cousin Denise
>>made it out of New Orleans; she's at her brother's in
>>Baton Rouge. from what she told me:
>>
>>her mother, a licensed practical nurse, was called in
>>to work on Sunday night at Memorial Hospital
>>(historically known as Baptist Hospital to those of us
>>from N.O.). Denise decided to stay with her mother,
>>her niece and grandniece (who is 2 years old); she
>>figured they'd be safe at the hospital. they went to
>>Baptist, and had to wait hours to be assigned a room
>>to sleep in; after they were finally assigned a room,
>>two white nurses suddenly arrived after the cut-off
>>time (time to be assigned a room), and Denise and her
>>family were booted out; their room was given up to the
>>new nurses. Denise was furious, and rather than stay
>>at Baptist, decided to walk home (several blocks away)
>>to ride out the storm at her mother's apartment. her
>>mother stayed at the hospital.
>>
>>she described it as the scariest time in her life. 3
>>of the rooms in the apartment (there are only 4) caved
>>in. ceilings caved in, walls caved in. she huddled
>>under a mattress in the hall. she thought she would
>>die from either the storm or a heart attack. after the
>>storm passed, she went back to Baptist to seek shelter
>>(this was Monday). it was also scary at Baptist; the
>>electricity was out, they were running on generators,
>>there was no air conditioning. Tuesday the levees
>>broke, and water began rising. they moved patients
>>upstairs, saw boats pass by on what used to be
>>streets. they were told that they would be evacuated,
>>that buses were coming. then they were told they would
>>have to walk to the nearest intersection, Napoleon and
>>S. Claiborne, to await the buses. they waded out in
>>hip-deep water, only to stand at the intersection, on
>>the neutral ground (what y'all call the median) for 3
>>1/2 hours. the buses came and took them to the Ernest
>>Morial Convention Center. (yes, the convention center
>>you've all seen on TV.)
>>
>>Denise said she thought she was in hell. they were
>>there for 2 days, with no water, no food. no shelter.
>>Denise, her mother (63 years old), her niece (21 years
>>old), and 2-year-old grandniece. when they arrived,
>>there were already thousands of people there. they
>>were told that buses were coming. police drove by,
>>windows rolled up, thumbs up signs. national guard
>>trucks rolled by, completely empty, soldiers with guns
>>cocked and aimed at them. nobody stopped to drop off
>>water. a helicopter dropped a load of water, but all
>>the bottles exploded on impact due to the height of
>>the helicopter.
>>
>>the first day (Wednesday) 4 people died next to her.
>>the second day (Thursday) 6 people died next to her.
>>Denise told me the people around her all thought they
>>had been sent there to die. again, nobody stopped. the
>>only buses that came were full; they dropped off more
>>and more people, but nobody was being picked up and
>>taken away. they found out that those being dropped
>>off had been rescued from rooftops and attics; they
>>got off the buses delirious from lack of water and
>>food. completely dehydrated. the crowd tried to keep
>>them all in one area; Denise said the new arrivals had
>>mostly lost their minds. they had gone crazy.
>>
>>inside the convention center, the place was one huge
>>bathroom. in order to ****, you had to stand in other
>>people's ****. the floors were black and slick with
>>****. most people stayed outside because the smell was
>>so bad. but outside wasn't much better: between the
>>heat, the humidity, the lack of water, the old and
>>very young dying from dehydration... and there was no
>>place to lay down, not even room on the sidewalk. they
>>slept outside Wednesday night, under an overpass.
>>
>>Denise said yes, there were young men with guns there.
>>but they organized the crowd. they went to Canal
>>Street and "looted," and brought back food and water
>>for the old people and the babies, because nobody had
>>eaten in days. when the police rolled down windows and
>>yelled out "the buses are coming," the young men with
>>guns organized the crowd in order: old people in
>>front, women and children next, men in the back. just
>>so that when the buses came, there would be priorities
>>of who got out first.
>>
>>Denise said the fights she saw between the young men
>>with guns were fist fights. she saw them put their
>>guns down and fight rather than shoot up the crowd.
>>but she said that there were a handful of people shot
>>in the convention center; their bodies were left
>>inside, along with other dead babies and old people.
>>
>>Denise said the people thought there were being sent
>>there to die. lots of people being dropped off, nobody
>>being picked up. cops passing by, speeding off.
>>national guard rolling by with guns aimed at them. and
>>yes, a few men shot at the police, because at a
>>certain point all the people thought the cops were
>>coming to hurt them, to kill them all. she saw a young
>>man who had stolen a car speed past, cops in pursuit;
>>he crashed the car, got out and ran, and the cops shot
>>him in the back. in front of the whole crowd. she saw
>>many groups of people decide that they were going to
>>walk across the bridge to the west bank, and those
>>same groups would return, saying that they were met at
>>the top of the bridge by armed police ordering them to
>>turn around, that they weren't allowed to leave.
>>
>>so they all believed they were sent there to die.
>>
>>Denise's niece found a pay phone, and kept trying to
>>call her mother's boyfriend in Baton Rouge, and
>>finally got through and told him where they were. the
>>boyfriend, and Denise's brother, drove down from Baton
>>Rouge and came and got them. they had to bribe a few
>>cops, and talk a few into letting them into the city
>>("come on, man, my 2-year-old niece is at the
>>Convention Center!"), then they took back roads to get
>>to them.
>>
>>after arriving at my other cousin's apartment in Baton
>>Rouge, they saw the images on TV, and couldn't believe
>>how the media was portraying the people of New
>>Orleans. she kept repeating to me on the phone last
>>night: make sure you tell everybody that they left us
>>there to die. nobody came. those young men with guns
>>were protecting us. if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't
>>have had the little water and food they had found.
 
The Interdicter is excellent and seems to be open for all. This is a blog from the viewpoint of some people trying to keep a company running.
 

And another...I cannot guarantee the accuracy of this account, as it is from a person unknown to me. However, please note that several points throughout this story (such as the money raised to try to rent busses to come and get them) have been verified in the mass media, including the reporting of Shepard Smith. Just something to keep in mind...
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Hurricane Katrina-Our Experiences

Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreen’s store at the corner of Royal and Iberville streets remained locked. The dairy display case was clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without electricity, running water, plumbing. The milk, yogurt, and cheeses were beginning to spoil in the 90-degree heat. The owners and managers had locked up the food, water, pampers, and prescriptions and fled the City. Outside Walgreen’s windows, residents and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry.

The much-promised federal, state and local aid never materialized and the windows at Walgreen’s gave way to the looters. There was an alternative. The cops could have broken one small window and distributed the nuts, fruit juices, and bottle water in an organized and systematic manner. But they did not. Instead they spent hours playing cat and mouse, temporarily chasing away the looters.

We were finally airlifted out of New Orleans two days ago and arrived home yesterday (Saturday). We have yet to see any of the TV coverage of look at a newspaper. We are willing to guess that there were no video images or front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the Walgreen’s in the French Quarter.

We also suspect the media will have been inundated with “hero” images of the National Guard, the troops and the police struggling to help the “victims” of the Hurricane. What you will not see, but what we witnessed were the real heroes of the hurricane relief effort: the working class of New Orleans. The maintenance workers who used a fork lift to carry the sick and disabled. The engineers, who rigged, nurtured and kept the generators running. The electricians who improvised thick extension cords stretching over blocks to share the little electricity we had in order to free cars stuck on rooftop parking lots. Nurses who took over for mechanical ventilators and spent many hours on end manually forcing air into the lungs of unconscious patients to keep them alive. Doormen who rescued folks stuck in elevators. Refinery workers who broke into boat yards, “stealing” boats to rescue their neighbors clinging to their roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hot-wire any car that could be found to ferry people out of the City. And the food service workers who scoured the commercial kitchens improvising communal meals for hundreds of those stranded.

Most of these workers had lost their homes, and had not heard from members of their families, yet they stayed and provided the only infrastructure for the 20% of New Orleans that was not under water.

On Day 2, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in the French Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference attendees like ourselves, and locals who had checked into hotels for safety and shelter from Katrina. Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends outside of New Orleans. We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources including the National Guard and scores of buses were pouring in to the City. The buses and the other resources must have been invisible because none of us had seen them.

We decided we had to save ourselves. So we poured our money and came up with $25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the City. Those who did not have the requisite $45.00 for a ticket were subsidized by those who did have extra money. We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last 12 hours standing outside, sharing the limited water, food, and clothes we had. We created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and new born babies. We waited late into the night for the “imminent” arrival of the buses. The buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute the arrived to the City limits, they were commandeered by the military.

By day 4 our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was dangerously abysmal. As the desperation and despair increased, street crime as well as water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and locked their doors, telling us that the “officials” told us to report to the convention center to wait for more buses. As we entered the center of the City, we finally encountered the National Guard.

The Guards told us we would not be allowed into the Superdome as the City’s primary shelter had been descended into a humanitarian and health hellhole. The guards further told us that the City’s only other shelter, the Convention Center, was also descending into chaos and squalor and that the police were not allowing anyone else in. Quite naturally, we asked, “If we can’t go to the only 2 shelters in the City, what was our alternative?” The guards told us that that was our problem, and no they did not have extra water to give to us. This would be the start of our numerous encounters with callous and hostile “law enforcement”.

We walked to the police command center at Harrah’s on Canal Street and were told the same thing, that we were on our own, and no they did not have water to give us. We now numbered several hundred. We held a mass meeting to decide a course of action. We agreed to camp outside the police command post. We would be plainly visible to the media and would constitute a highly visible embarrassment to the City officials. The police told us that we could not stay. Regardless, we began to settle in and set up camp. In short order, the police commander came across the street to address our group. He told us he had a solution: we should walk to the Pontchartrain Expressway and cross the greater New Orleans Bridge where the police had buses lined up to take us out of the City. The crowed cheered and began to move. We called everyone back and explained to the commander that there had been lots of misinformation and wrong information and was he sure that there were buses waiting for us. The commander turned to the crowd and stated emphatically, “I swear to you that the buses are there.”

We organized ourselves and the 200 of us set off for the bridge with great excitement and hope. As we marched pasted the convention center, many locals saw our determined and optimistic group and asked where we were headed. We told them about the great news. Families immediately grabbed their few belongings and quickly our numbers doubled and then doubled again. Babies in strollers now joined us, people using crutches, elderly clasping walkers and others people in wheelchairs. We marched the 2-3 miles to the freeway and up the steep incline to the Bridge. It now began to pour down rain, but it did not dampen our enthusiasm.

As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander’s assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn’t cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans.

Our small group retreated back down Highway 90 to seek shelter from the rain under an overpass. We debated our options and in the end decided to build an encampment in the middle of the Ponchartrain Expressway on the center divide, between the O’Keefe and Tchoupitoulas exits. We reasoned we would be visible to everyone, we would have some security being on an elevated freeway and we could wait and watch for the arrival of the yet to be seen buses.

All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the same trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be turned away. Some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no, others to be verbally berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were prevented and prohibited from self-evacuating the City on foot. Meanwhile, only two City shelters sank further into squalor and disrepair. The only way across the bridge was by vehicle. We saw workers stealing trucks, buses, moving vans, semi-trucks and any car that could be hotwired. All were packed with people trying to escape the misery New Orleans had become.

Our little encampment began to blossom. Someone stole a water delivery trick and brought it up to us. Let’s hear it for looting! A mile or so down the freeway, an army truck lost a couple of pallets of C-rations on a tight turn. We ferried the food back to our camp in shopping carts. Now secure with the two necessities, food and water, cooperation, community and creativity flowered. We organized a clean up, and hung garbage bags from the rebar poles. We made beds from wood pallets and cardboard. We designated a storm drain as the bathroom and the kids built an elaborate enclosure for privacy out of plastic, broken umbrellas, and other scraps. We even organized a food recycling system where individuals could swap out parts of C-rations (applesauce for babies and candies for kids!).

This was a process we saw repeatedly in the aftermath of Katrina. When individuals had to fight to find food or water, it meant looking out for yourself only. You had to do whatever it took to find water for your kids or food for your parents. When these basic needs were met, people began to look out for each other, working together and constructing a community.

If the relief organizations had saturated the City with food and water in the first 2 or 3 days, the desperation, the frustration and the ugliness would not have set in.

Flush with the necessities, we offered food and water to passing families and individuals. Many decided to stay and join us. Our encampment grew to 80 or 90 people.

From a woman with a battery powered radio we learned that the media was talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and news organizations saw us on their way into the City. Officials were being asked what they were going to do about all those families living up on the freeway? The officials responded they were going to take care of us. Some of us got a sinking feeling. “Taking care of us” had an ominous tone to it.

Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking City) was correct. Just as dusk set in, a Gretna Sheriff showed up, jumped out of his patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces, screaming, “Get off the ****ing freeway”. A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our food and water.

Once again, at gunpoint, we were forced off the freeway. All the law enforcement agencies appeared threatened when we congregated or congealed into groups of 20 or more. In every congregation of “victims” they saw “mob” or “riot”. We felt safety in numbers. Our “we must stay together” was impossible because the agencies would force us into small atomized groups.

In the pandemonium of having our camp raided and destroyed, we scattered once again. Reduced to a small group of 8 people, in the dark, we sought refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on Cilo Street. We were hiding from possible criminal elements but equally and definitely, we were hiding from the police and sheriffs with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill policies.

The next days, our group of 8 walked most of the day, made contact with New Orleans Fire Department and were eventually airlifted out by an urban search and rescue team. We were dropped off near the airport and managed to catch a ride with the National Guard. The two young guardsmen apologized for the limited response of the Louisiana guards. They explained that a large section of their unit was in Iraq and that meant they were shorthanded and were unable to complete all the tasks they were assigned.

We arrived at the airport on the day a massive airlift had begun. The airport had become another Superdome. We 8 were caught in a press of humanity as flights were delayed for several hours while George Bush landed briefly at the airport for a photo op. After being evacuated on a coast guard cargo plane, we arrived in San Antonio, Texas.

There the humiliation and dehumanization of the official relief effort continued. We were placed on buses and driven to a large field where we were forced to sit for hours and hours. Some of the buses did not have air-conditioners. In the dark, hundreds if us were forced to share two filthy overflowing porta-potties. Those who managed to make it out with any possessions (often a few belongings in tattered plastic bags) we were subjected to two different dog-sniffing searches.

Most of us had not eaten all day because our C-rations had been confiscated at the airport because the rations set off the metal detectors. Yet, no food had been provided to the men, women, children, elderly, disabled as they sat for hours waiting to be “medically screened” to make sure we were not carrying any communicable diseases.

This official treatment was in sharp contrast to the warm, heart-felt reception given to us by the ordinary Texans. We saw one airline worker give her shoes to someone who was barefoot. Strangers on the street offered us money and toiletries with words of welcome.

Throughout, the official relief effort was callous, inept, and racist. There was more suffering than need be. Lives were lost that did not need to be lost.
 
wvrevy, that is so sad. I hope that this mess is fully investigated. :(
 
wvrevy said:
And another...I cannot guarantee the accuracy of this account, as it is from a person unknown to me. However, please note that several points throughout this story (such as the money raised to try to rent busses to come and get them) have been verified in the mass media, including the reporting of Shepard Smith. Just something to keep in mind...
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I'll bet money that this account is a hoax. There are just as many points throughout the story that are contradictory or defy logic.

What's the source for this, wvrevy? (and no, I'm not accusing you of the hoax,I'm just interested to see where it came from).

There are going to be a lot of urban legends that will spring up, just like 9/11. The truth is horrible enough. It doesn't need embelishing.
 
bsnyder said:
I'll bet money that this account is a hoax. There are just as many points throughout the story that are contradictory or defy logic.

What's the source for this, wvrevy? (and no, I'm not accusing you of the hoax,I'm just interested to see where it came from).

There are going to be a lot of urban legends that will spring up, just like 9/11. The truth is horrible enough. It doesn't need embelishing.


I was a little skeptical about that account as well. Sounds more like a commentary than a "first person account." Some examples I'm talking about:

We also suspect the media will have been inundated with “hero” images of the National Guard, the troops and the police struggling to help the “victims” of the Hurricane. What you will not see, but what we witnessed were the real heroes of the hurricane relief effort: the working class of New Orleans. The maintenance workers who used a fork lift to carry the sick and disabled. The engineers, who rigged, nurtured and kept the generators running. The electricians who improvised thick extension cords stretching over blocks to share the little electricity we had in order to free cars stuck on rooftop parking lots. Nurses who took over for mechanical ventilators and spent many hours on end manually forcing air into the lungs of unconscious patients to keep them alive. Doormen who rescued folks stuck in elevators. Refinery workers who broke into boat yards, “stealing” boats to rescue their neighbors clinging to their roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hot-wire any car that could be found to ferry people out of the City. And the food service workers who scoured the commercial kitchens improvising communal meals for hundreds of those stranded.

If this person giving the account was truly trapped in a hotel room for days, how could they have seen the nurses doing that or the refinery workers or mechanics? It sounds like the account is part personal and part what they heard/saw on TV.

I'm just a little skeptical about all these first person accounts, especially when I see the first person accounts on TV saying just the opposite of these people. Who's telling the truth?

Remember, everyone on the Internet has an agenda.
 
Most of it sounded unbelievable to me. Not that some of these individual things (good and bad) didn't happen. We saw it on TV and in the newspaper. But the chances of them happening all to one person, nahhhh, I don't think so.

However, this pretty much gives the hoax away entirely:

We were dropped off near the airport and managed to catch a ride with the National Guard. The two young guardsmen apologized for the limited response of the Louisiana guards. They explained that a large section of their unit was in Iraq and that meant they were shorthanded and were unable to complete all the tasks they were assigned.

I may have been born at night, but I wasn't born last night!
 
I don't buy the second one either. It sounds far too much and almost exactly like the political arguments that have sprung from this situation (especially for someone who supposedly 'has yet to see any of the TV coverage or look at a newspaper'')....yeah, ok..
 
I'd also like to add that I'm a huge fan of blogs, and I'm sure there will be many riviting first hand accounts made available on the web. As an information junkie, it's fascinating to have this kind of intimate detail now available to us.

But I'll be skeptical of everything I read. If it sounds too far-fetched to be true, it probably isn't.
 
I don't know what's true and what's not true, but I'd imagine it's not all lies. It just makes me :sad1:

We're going to hear more and more with each day and it's not going to be pretty.
 
Well, like I said, it comes from a source unknown to me. I picked it up on the DailyKos blog, which - if you're unfamiliar with it - is definitely on the liberal side of the political landscape.

That's also why I pointed out that many of the points here were verified by independant media, specifically that people were camped - just as discribed - on various overpasses, and the part about them trying to hire busses that were comandeered as soon as they arrived. Also, the description of conditions at the convention center have been reported in numerous places.

Yes, I suspect that the people posting this probably did inject some of their own politics into the account. But there is no way of verifying that, or of disproving what these people (there are two authors) claim. Hopefully, time will tell for certain which is the case.

As for "other reports" that are contrary to this, I would love to read them...Would you care to post them ?
 
Even if only 1/2 of it were true-- even that 1/2 is sad. To think that things like that could happen in this country is sickening.
 
kilee said:
Even if only 1/2 of it were true-- even that 1/2 is sad. To think that things like that could happen in this country is sickening.
Good point...That there is even a debate about whether it could be true or not is bad enough, in itself. :sad2:
 
wvrevy said:
Good point...That there is even a debate about whether it could be true or not is bad enough, in itself. :sad2:

Not so much that it could be true or not, but that it could have possibly happened in this country!!!!
 
That there is even a debate about whether it could be true or not is bad enough, in itself.
Why? The truth IS what matters. The good, the bad, the ugly. I do not doubt that bad things happened, not at all.

but, even you admit there is no proof that these can be verified. Without any verification at all, they could be outright lies from beginning to end. I mean, I could come up with a story based on some of the news reports and embellish the rest, post it on a blog site and call it my personal experience.

So, forgive me if I am skeptical of a blog with heavy political leanings that cannot be verified. If it were leaning the other way, I have NO DOUBT you would think it is very relevant that it cannot be verified.
 
Not so much that it could be true or not, but that it could have possibly happened in this country!!!!
Anything can happen in this country. Anything can happen in any country. There will never come a day that there is no chance of horrible things happening, whether they come from nature or man. Whether they be by intent or mistake.

It's sad, but reality.
 

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