Fire Destroys a Disney Bus

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by tigger&tigerlover
>P.S. 18 posts and 650 views so far on this topic.........I think >people want and have a right to know.......and this proves it.

Not true. I agree with *not* knowing, I've read this post several times to see the different angles and viewpoints (I'm curious). Just clicking on the post doesn't mean people agree with wanting to know about everything.

If you don't care about a WDW bus burning on property.......why did you even care to read this thread? So if you are at WDW and somthing happens.........you wouldn't want to know in order for your family to make a decision if a ride is safe or not??

 

[safetymom]

Just because people view the topic doesn't mean that they agree or disagree.

I looked and read then decided that the explanation was enough for me.

If you don't like the way that Disney is handling things then you need to discuss it with Disney. Posting on a BB does not do much. Disney I am sure reads these boards but unless they hear an outcry from the public I doubt they will change any policy.

Things do happen even when rides, vehicles are maintained.

I have confidence that Disney is doing everything it can to keep everything safe. I don't feel that way about other businesses.

If you don't like the way they do things you also have the freedom not to go to the parks, ride the buses.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by safetymom
I looked and read then decided that the explanation was enough for me.

Thats the whole basis of this OP and topic.............DISNEY did "NOT" give any explanation!!

P.S. 22 posts and over 700 views and going up..........

 

[safetymom]

They didn't have to. You got the facts and so did I. If it was something that impacted all of us I would expect to see it in the news or on TV. The media seems to do a very good job of focusing on issues.

I wasn't on that bus and neither were you. The explanation as reported here was enough.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by safetymom
If it was something that impacted all of us I would expect to see it in the news or on TV.
The explanation as reported here was enough.

Thats the WDW way...................to keep it from the newspapers and the media.Thats why "nobody", including newspapers and TV, ever heard about this bus burning. I read the Orlando Sentinel every day.

This is the way we are suppose to get info about WDW accidents.......though a BB.

 

[safetymom]

I think if it had been serious everyone would have known. I think you need to lighten up about this. If you think there is a conspiracy then you need to enlighten us with proof.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by safetymom
I think if it had been serious everyone would have known.

Originally posted by ztbz
This past Wednesday, a bus operating out of the magic kingdom caught on fire and was burnt from the rear of the bus to the front, the Bus was totaled and will not be repaired, Luckily no one was hurt and got out safely, Traffic into and out of the Magic Kingdom area was backed up all afternoon. So far I not heard anything about this on the news or in the paper.

Does somebody have to get killed for it to be serious?I think a bus catching fire, with guests on it, on WDW property is pretty serious to most people.

 

[MickeyCrazed]

Thanks for the information you were able to post to this thread, and I understand the reasons for Disneys disclosure policy. Anyone who works for an large employer knows the need to keep all public relatioos inquires directed toward their media department. To me, it is just common sense because I deal with it on a daily basis.

As for Disney not being honest with the public.....
Our company had a MAJOR event occur and it affected the safety and well being of some company employees. Not only did the company not address the media, they never gave their employees specific information regarding the "accident/event". Although I would like to know all of the details, I understand the reason they did not disclose them. Everyone that hears an explanation, forms their own opinon, and it is very easy for those people to reach the media and public in forums such as these. That little bit of information that was misconstrued could cause a media frenzy. (And I have enough faith in my company to believe that if they felt the problem could/would occur again in the future, they would give us the information necessary to take precautions).

In addition, compare this incident with the Firestone/Ford Explorer story from a few years ago. The public never learned of the problem with those tires until the defect caused HUNDREDS of deaths. This problem at WDW didn't cause any. Does this incident cause me any concern at this point???? NO! Maybe I just have too much faith (i.e. believe in pixie dust) that Disney will make the right decisions.

P.S. This post in no way implies that I agree with all decisions that the Disney company makes. I do NOT have rose-colored glasses on!

 

[safetymom]

If you want to turn this into a debate why not post it on the debate board?

Then you could get others that would buy into your thinking.

I don't care to debate this with you.

 

[MickeyCrazed]

P.S.S. Maybe the post listed below is one of the contributing factors of all the "views" on this one.
http://disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=448005
Curosity does tend to get the best of all of us.

 

[BCVOwner2002]

Lighten up! I don't think this should be moved to the Debate Board! Each of us has a right to our opinion! I read this thread yesterday and after reading it my initial reaction was that it would not make the news unless it was a slow media day but I'm glad someone knew about it and posted. I am glad no one was injured in the accident.

Tyler has always done a great job keeping us posted on WDW events that he can discuss and I would never want anyone to get into trouble by posting inappropriate information.

I recently finished reading Mouse Tales A Behind-The-Ears Look At Disneyland. It was not authorized by Disney and contains a lot of information that I'm sure the Disney Corporation cringed at but I feel as consumers we do have the right to know.

I for one will not ride on Thunder Mountain again after the tragedy last month! I don't think we will ever know what happened!

Getting back on track with this thread . . . Disney wants to keep it's image magical and we can either believe everything is magical or realize there may be some skeletons in their closet!

Annmarie

 

[safetymom]

I suggested moving this discussion to the Debate board because Nick@ VB+OKW seems to feel that Disney needs to change their policy regarding notifying the public.

I hope that no one goes to Disney with rose colored glasses on in regards to safety. But in my case I am comfortable with the information I have been given regarding problems that have happened at the parks.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by safetymom
I suggested moving this discussion to the Debate board because BCVOwner2002 seems to feel that Disney needs to change their policy regarding notifying the public.

safetymom
You suggested moving this to the Debate board way before "BCVOwner2002" even posted.

 

[safetymom]

Nick@ VB+OKW , I pasted the wrong name. Excuse me. I will correct my post.

 

[SueM in MN]

originally posted by BCVOwner2002
I read this thread yesterday and after reading it my initial reaction was that it would not make the news unless it was a slow media day but I'm glad someone knew about it and posted. I am glad no one was injured in the accident.

Just what I was going to say.
There's an assumption that the reason this (and other pieces of bad news about Disney) are kept out of the news is that Disney has kept it hidden from the news media.
But, I think another explanation is as likely. just because something doesn't get reported doesn't mean the news media is not aware of it. The story editor decides how to spend the limited time or space in the paper or on TV and may have decided there were other stories with more interest to a greater number of people. Even though it might be of interest to people reading a Disney BB, I don't think the general public would be all that interested since no one was hurt.
I've seen things happen that I thought would for sure be in the news, but they never made it. I've also seen things on our local news that I was sure would make the national news (even called family in another state so they could watch for it) and it never made the national news either.

As for this thread having a high number of posts, about half are by the same poster.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by SueM in MN
As for this thread having a high number of posts, about half are by the same poster.

I suppose the 940 views are from the same poster also. Your post does have some points that could be true.......but you also know WDW has a track record of keeping things inside "WDW".

 

[Geoff_M]

I think everyone (except Tyler) needs to take a few deep breaths here. As pointed out, almost every major company has non-disclosure rules about talking to outside sources when it comes to company business. Disney is the rule, not the exception. Also, when it comes to safety issues... the Feds and many states have "whistleblower" laws that will shield those that come forward when safety regulations are circumvented.

No doubt "damage control" is one of the jobs of corporate PR departments, but there another important job they perform. Let's say that Disney didn't restrict CMs from openly talking about "what happened". Some CMs would have first-hand knowledge of what took place, others would have second-hand knowledge. Some would have more relivent knowledge of the incident (the WDW bus mechanics) than others (the CMs at the MK front gate). The result would be lots of different CMs saying what they saw, or what they heard from other CMs. Talk to several CMs, and undoubtedly they will tell you some "facts" that will contradict what other CMs have reported. Some people like to feel important when they talk to "the media" and may try and "embellish" their story to make it more attractive. The results in a setting like this can be very chaotic.

Another problem is that people like to speculate when something goes wrong. This was interesting to watch on MousePlanet after the BMTRR accident last month. An ex-Disney maintenance supervisor was quoted as blasting DL for maintenance cut-backs and he "knew something like this was going to happen." First off, no one at the time even came close to knowing the cause of the accident. It may well be that it was something totally unrelated to maintenance issues. But that didn't stop the person from speculating. That doesn't do anyone any good except for the guy that was mad at Disney for letting him go from his job.

When you tell employees to refer queries to the PR department, that gives them the chance to talk to the envolved parties that are "in the know" and deliver a single story to the press. We had this happen where I work earlier this year. An employee was burned pretty good in a lab explosion. The media of course was interested in what happened, and the PR deprtment gave them a "blow by blow" account of what facts were known at the time.

 

[hoosll]

We were at the World on that Wednesday and never heard anything about it. Obviously the problem was noticed quickly and passengers were evacuated efficiently.

Everyone was talking about the 34-year old woman who died of a heart attack at Universal and the toddler left alone for 2 weeks. If it is big news Disney cannot squash it, this wasn't big news.

 

[ztbz]

Originally posted by Chip 'n Dale Express


I would also like to add that each Disney bus undergoes comprehensive inspections each and every night. In addition, every morning, each bus undergoes a thorough Safety Pre-Trip. If that bus does not pass the Pre-Trip or nightly inspection, for whatever reason, it will not be placed into service until the issue can be resolved. If something arises during the day, the bus gets taken out of service immediatly, and taken to a maintenance facility.

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Not Always.

Ok, I have worked in the Disney Bus Department for many years now (before Tyler), to me I was not surprise that the bus caught on fire, it all comes down to the buses being properly maintained, which does Not always happen in the Bus Dept as is/was the case in other areas of the Walt Disney Company. I do feel that guest should have the right to know about these issues and should not be swipe under the rug.

As far as the “disclosure policy” that was put in place after I came to WDW. Many of the existing older Cast Members refused to sign it as it does restrict or violates the First Amendment of the US Construction on Freedom of Speech, of course New Hire’s have to sign it in order to get a Job at Disney.

I will now go back into lurking mode for now, but I do read many of the posts about Disney Transportation including many of the Complaints that some of the posters of this board post all I can say is its unbelievable about what has happen to the Walt Disney Company, After all I am a Guest, Stockholder and a Cast Member too.


"Z" as in Zorro

 

[billybaruch1]

Originally posted by Chip 'n Dale Express
I think you misunderstood me. Right now, I am just a regular person just like you, who happens to work for Disney. I am at home, on my free time. This is not something I am asked to do, or am paid for. I just come here because I like Disney, and I have something to offer. As such, I cannot represent Disney.







It means that Disney does watch this board, and if they see that I violated that contract that I signed, I could get into trouble at work. I like my job very much, and would like to keep it.

Sorry, man, I was concerned that you not misunderstand me! I guess I was asking who does represent Disney so I could ask him/her a few questions. Hey! I've misunderstood a lot of people. You aren't my first and won't be the last.

However, if you are "not at liberty" to discuss the matter any more than you already have, then you are, in my humble opinion, NOT on your "free" time, and not "just a regular person just like (me)..." I am at liberty to discuss anything I want about Disney. You could have written, "No comment. Wait for official announcement." But you wrote (twice) that the fire could not have been prevented. This implies you know how it started, does it not? You may disagree, but after literally thousands of posts here in which you have consistently (and persuasively, I might add) enlightened us with the Disney company line, to now deny you represent them "officially" may be true but it also seems a little too convenient, in my opinion.

Disney watches this board? Layoffs and cutbacks and they pay someone to read this stuff? C'mon, really! If they did have a job "DISboard Reader," why wouldn't he/she post once in a while to give us fans the real, official story? Just wondering.

I used to drive a VW bug. One day I saw fire in my rear-view mirror! I pulled over and got a rag or something to open the engine compartment in the rear. Whoosh! Pretty soon it was in the back seat and the car was engulfed in flames. It was totaled. No one was injured. Oh well, we live and learn, huh?

Regarding the posters who wrote they don't want to know anything that might diminish the Disney magic, I wonder what's the difference between a bus on fire on one of your local highways at home and a Disney bus on fire at WDW? At home we all slow down to see if we can help, or if the police and fire departments are there, we still slow way down and "rubberneck" to see what there is to see. I wish the drivers would not do this so we can all get past the accident, but people are curious. How is the Disney bus fire different? Why aren't these posters curious about this? Would they not slow down if they were driving in WDW?