Fingerprint question

[JillyBean1899]

My mom has problems with the biometric systems. She can barely get my Android phone to recognize when she's touching it, and when she worked for the airport she had to have her fingerprinting done 5 or 6 times (the automated ones wouldn't recognize her prints *AT ALL*, and the ink ones still weren't good enough for scanning). She just shows her ID and goes in with no trouble.

 

[Jestocost]

Also, anyone applying to work as a mortgage originator is required under state or federal law to go through a criminal background check including fingerprinting.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

More and more airlines are starting to store biometric data and fingerprints. Passports store them on the RFID chip. So does boarder control. If the OP is in Canada, in a few years how do they propose to GET to Disney for this to be a problem since flying and driving are out?

 

[aubriee]

In addition to what KaLyn stated, health care workers caring for children are fingerprinted (at least in PA).

Also, we had to be fingerprinted be approved to adopt our children.

I had to be fingerprinted to work at a facility that housed orphans as well as has a residential treatment center for kids with psychological/behavioral problems. I was in human resources and had no contact with the kids, but was subject to a full background check (and fingerprinting) in order to work there.

I would say that jobs that involve interaction with children commonly involve fingerprinting.

I worry more about my credit card # getting stolen than my fingerprints.

You also have to be fingerprinted before taking the state bar exam so a criminal background check can be performed by the state police. So lawyers get fingerprinted, too.

Actually, now that I think about it, you don't need the fingerprints to have the check run because the Girl Scouts do it every year so I can volunteer. I think the school does it, too. But I know I had to go to the state police barracks and get fingerprinted as part of the application to take the bar exam.

Several years ago nurses in the state of Texas had to be fingerprinted in order to renew our licenses. Then just last week we got an email that everyone that works at our state psychiatric hospital was going to have be fingerprinted in order to be employed here. What's funny is the email made mention that they knew all the nurses had already been fingerprinted, but we were going to have to do it again, along with all the rest of the employees, because the state board of nurse examiners would not share our stuff with the state hospital. The email went on to say that the hospital would have the fingerprint people here on campus for two weeks, after that time we would have to go to a town about 30 minutes away and would have to pay ourselves to get fingerprinted. It also said that anyone that hadn't been fingerprinted by January 15th would not be allowed to showup for work. We deal with mental patients, not kids, (although we do have a kids/adolescent unit on campus).

 

[NYDisneyKid]

So with a 1 day ticket no finger scan is required?

 

[chartle]

So with a 1 day ticket no finger scan is required?

I'm assuming no since a ticket could still be shared if you left the park and gave it to someone else to use later that day.

 

[Robo]

So with a 1 day ticket no finger scan is required?

All regular adult MYW and AP tickets use the finger-scan.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

All regular adult MYW and AP tickets use the finger-scan.

I thought I read somewhere in this thread that as recent as last week someone used their DL instead of a finger scan.

This is what we have always done and did it as recently as last week. We just have our driver's license ready along with our annual pass.

 

[chmurf]

Is fingerprinting common in the US?

For the record, here in France, fingerprinting is mandatory for any ID (ID, Driver's license, passports) and fingerprinting for our Identity Card was implemented in 1921.

From my standpoint, the mere fact of refusing to have one's fingerprint scanned (especially under the probability comparison used at Disney) is not only odd, it's even suspicious.
But I can understand that someone be uneasy with that, and I do respect that.
It's just odd and strange.
Being "afraid" of the fingerprinting at Disney is a bit like going home absolutely wasted at night, and walking on your tippy toes to avoid waking up the missus, when you've barreled down the road, tires screeching, radio blaring, and wrecking the car into the trash, the front porch and parking it in the living room

because that's basically what it amounts to, unless you don't use any phone, CC, or even the internet.

Actually OP, you've left your ID here, by asking us to whois your domain name, you've left enough information regarding your upcoming stay, and if Disney wanted to, they could trace you back through the requests you've sent, via email, or phone, as they are very "special". You'll be traced, either through your license plate, that will be filmed countless times in the US, even in the parking lots at Disney's. Or if you take the plane there will be an even larger trail.

It's a big brother world, alright
but right now, what I'm seeing is someone worrying about a small weed in his lawn while, behind, the whole house is burning down.

If you're afraid a government will know where you went, and what you did, stop worrying, because right now, they already know, even before you've booked your tickets. You've given them enough information already.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

and this is a free country,,,yeah right

 

[Satchmo128]

I just truly do not understand what the big deal is. *shrug*

 

[KaLyn]

I just truly do not understand what the big deal is. *shrug*

Same here.

 

[doconeill]

Some people just don't like the idea of data being gathered on them, and want to limit it. I don't mind the use of the data for the advertised reasons - I'm more concerned about the security of the information (working in IT), and what would happen if Disney ever had a Target-like IT breach.

Not much sense in debating it.

As far as I know, there has been NO CHANGE in policy, and a finger scan can be skipped with a valid photo ID. However, I do know that not all CMs seem to know this, so it can be a messy pain.

 

[shepd]

Mortgages even need it in the US? Yikes! My mortgage experience, ~3 years ago, went like this:

- Visit mortgage broker
- Bring along last few paystubs (I brought my T4, which is my yearly income statement that the government gets for taxes, but they didn't want it)
- Sign that the broker has permission to get all credit information on me from Equifax, Transunion, and the rest of them
- Tell them how much I wanted and how much cash I'll be ponying up
- Let them copy my driver's license and a major credit card
- Come back another day after I'd made an offer on the house I wanted (conditional on financing, of course)
- Wait a little bit while they find out if I'm approved for that property (the valuation is simplified in areas such as mine that don't have crazy house prices)
- Sign my name and initial plenty of paperwork
- Optionally sign form giving the mortgage company access to withdraw from my bank account (I could send cheques or transfer money, but ain't nobody got time for that)
- Provide VOID cheque for the above (bank and transit codes)

No background check, no fingerprints. Only thing the bank cared about was that I was who I said I was and that I was good for the money.

As for fingerprints and RFID passports, nope, don't have a chip in mine and never needed a fingerprint. As of today, Canada is putting RFID chips in them, but the only info on the chip is literally exactly what's on the passport--your picture, address, and name. Canadians do not need to be fingerprinted to receive a passport.

http://www.ppt.gc.ca/support/faq.aspx?lang=eng&id=q820

I suppose since my job doesn't involve working for the government or children, I will probably never have to be fingerprinted... ...and I guess I will just never get anyone that gives up personal information that literally cannot be erased this easily! Each to your own!

FWIW, I'm not "afraid" of giving Disney my fingerprints. I just see it as a ridiculous requirement for the transaction taking place. To me it'd be like a store asking for a pee sample because you'd like to buy a bag of Fritos. I mean, I'm not scared of peeing in a cup or anything, but it's just rude and unnecessary. If I asked them if I could just pay for the Fritos and go home and they refused, I'd just do without. For me, anti-consumer behaviour results in my money staying in my wallet.

To this day, I've still never once been even *asked* to give my fingerprint. Not even asked. Heck, it's not even once been an *option* if I, say, wanted to try the experience, other than to buy a stamp pad and have at it. For the heck of it, I tried using the fingerprint scanner on our work laptops but IT had disabled them. LOL. Can't even do it if I wanted to!

One last edit... ...I think you're all going about this the wrong way. I don't want to avoid being tracked. I have better things to do than go through that tinfoilhattery. I just don't see the value in this "service" and I do see the potential privacy issues with it. I don't give anyone anything for free if there isn't something in it for me. Except charity, and frankly, Disney doesn't need my charity, nor does the US government.

 

[afnaechiquita]

FWIW, I'm not "afraid" of giving Disney my fingerprints. I just see it as a ridiculous requirement for the transaction taking place. To me it'd be like a store asking for a pee sample because you'd like to buy a bag of Fritos. I mean, I'm not scared of peeing in a cup or anything, but it's just rude and unnecessary. If I asked them if I could just pay for the Fritos and go home and they refused, I'd just do without. For me, anti-consumer behaviour results in my money staying in my wallet.

it's not a ridiculous requirement when the alternative would be for CMs to look at your ID and match it to the ticket. sure, you'd think that only adds a couple of seconds, but a couple of seconds x thousands of visitors (not even to mention the ones who inevitably would not be prepared with ID in hand, adding more seconds) adds up to create more ridiculous lines.

 

[doconeill]

I'm not aware of a fingerprint requirement for a mortgage in the U.S. Passports, yes. And I think that's been a requirement in the US for a LONG time.

I think the concern about RFID is the passport is that if it DOES contain the info in the passport (which is of a personal nature, not sure it actually does or if it is the same as a MagicBand - just an ID number), is that it can be read at a distance without having to physically inspect it. Whether it can be used for any nefarious purpose like identity left I don't know, but what most people object to is someone being able to get that info just from you walking by.

FWIW, I'm not "afraid" of giving Disney my fingerprints. I just see it as a ridiculous requirement for the transaction taking place. To me it'd be like a store asking for a pee sample because you'd like to buy a bag of Fritos. I mean, I'm not scared of peeing in a cup or anything, but it's just rude and unnecessary. If I asked them if I could just pay for the Fritos and go home and they refused, I'd just do without. For me, anti-consumer behaviour results in my money staying in my wallet.

I'm a bit confused by the above statement...are you still talking about a mortgage? Or Disney? On a mortgage, I guess it's up to the bank. For the amount of money they are loaning you, they might want some reasonable assurance you are who you say, and not someone who, say, stole someone else's personal info from an RFID-enabled passport...

As for Disney (and the above), the situation is a little different than buying a bag of fritos...mortgages are rather large money loans, not a cheap consumable item. The convenience store can accept the minor loss of a bag of fritos if it turns out the cash you gave them was counterfeit, or the debit/credit card was bad (they trust the transaction processor to validate those).

In the case of Disney, tickets aren't considered as 100% consumable bearer instruments (the one who has it owns it, like cash) like they used to be, but rather as licenses, and the grantor of the license can use whatever means they choose to validate the bearer is the same one the license was granted to (in the case of Disney, the first one to use it). If they want you to pee in a cup, that's what you need to do. Just that no one would do that and attendance would greatly suffer...

To this day, I've still never once been even *asked* to give my fingerprint. Not even asked. Heck, it's not even once been an *option* if I, say, wanted to try the experience, other than to buy a stamp pad and have at it. For the heck of it, I tried using the fingerprint scanner on our work laptops but IT had disabled them. LOL. Can't even do it if I wanted to!

I work as an IT consultant, and I have yet to encounter anyone who uses or requires their use. Although they function similarly to the ones Disney uses (compute simplistic hash value based on easily determined points), the method of scanning is different (progressive capacitance scan vs. optical). I've tried to use one not to lock the laptop itself but to lock some data, and had nothing but trouble as I had to be careful of the angle of the finger, the speed, etc. I think they've improved, but NO ONE seems to use it that I've seen so far.

One last edit... ...I think you're all going about this the wrong way. I don't want to avoid being tracked. I have better things to do than go through that tinfoilhattery. I just don't see the value in this "service" and I do see the potential privacy issues with it. I don't give anyone anything for free if there isn't something in it for me. Except charity, and frankly, Disney doesn't need my charity, nor does the US government.

The finger scan isn't necessarily a service to you (although it does prevent someone from potentially using your ticket if it was lost/stolen/duplicated), but it is a service to THEM to make sure people aren't sharing tickets.

 

[ellie05]

Really op bring up a controversial thread? That just make it seems more ridiculous that this was to begin with. Someone likes all the attention.

 

[DebbieB]

I got my first passport in 2009 and my first mortgage in 2012. I've never given my fingerprints.

 

[doconeill]

I got my first passport in 2009 and my first mortgage in 2012. I've never given my fingerprints.

You are correct...I am misremembering. They CAN store biometric data, but do not yet. Some other govt issued IDs, which are among the required documents to get a passport, may require a print.

I also checked...the chips DO contain all the passport information, and have room for more data (biometrics if they choose). But there are two additional safety features - one, the cover of the passport itself acts as a radio shield, preventing casual skimming. When it is open, however, it can be skimmed. So there is another feature, which is a basic encryption that requires a bit of information that (as I understand it) is only printed in the passport - basically something like a PIN that is needed to read the information.

 

[mesaboy2]

it's not a ridiculous requirement when the alternative would be for CMs to look at your ID and match it to the ticket. sure, you'd think that only adds a couple of seconds, but a couple of seconds x thousands of visitors (not even to mention the ones who inevitably would not be prepared with ID in hand, adding more seconds) adds up to create more ridiculous lines.

That's a pretty good point right there.

Disney is protecting itself against fraud, and likely doing so in the manner that least frustrates their guests (by choosing the faster authentication method).