Fingerprint question

[11290]

Also, if the ticket is for a person ages 3 - 9 (including APs) the system does not ask for a finger scan at the time of use.

Not sure if that holds totally true anymore with the touch-points. We are seeing biometric "requests" for children as young as about 5 or 6 at entries since early Spring & Summer of 2013, and recently when I worked Main Entrance (Sep., Oct., Nov.) with both MB's and hard cards. Don't know if that is just an anomoly with the new RFID ticketing or whether some ticketing is not being coded as youth tickets. Would suspect the latter as the case. I normally suggest that an adult tag the ticket but some make their kids do the bio even though the smaller ones fail and then have to wait in line for the back-line GR CM as we can't "fix" the ticket now like we could with the legacy turnstile.

 

[bumbershoot]

The only excuse I can see for not doing this is that families get stupid and don't bother figuring out whose pass is whose--but, to me, that is a poor excuse to open such a gaping security hole.

You can probably guess what my day job is now.

Letting families not have to *worry* about whose ticket is whose is a kind thing they do.

For someone who is so worried about security, you're giving a LOT of your life away here. (and I say that as someone who gives almost all of her info away, LOL, despite being surrounded by family that works in DC for various agencies and "companies" and whatnot...and it's because I simply don't CARE who knows what)


I'm still trying to figure out what you think is happening between Canada and the US. And I'm wishing I'd posted that question last night, before you verified you're in Canada, but I got all lost in "well what if he's from Mexico". I know at least part of your family, I know you're driving in, I know you might well be carrying lots of cash, I know you do something with security... Come on, just tell us when you'll be there and we're set.

 

[Robo]

I've got it.

You must have some friends who live across town from you.

Have them order your discount tickets from undercovertourist.com

You (re)pay the friend in any way you'd like, or you could send a blind money order for the payment.

The tickets will come to your friend's name and address.
Even if Undercover Tourist was to slip Disney some intel on who bought those tickets, your friends won't be going to Disney.

So if YOU use those tickets, Disney will think those finger-scans they've purloined will be your friend's (and they won't be.)

What a ruse you will have pulled off!

Please don't tell them Robo of the DISboards told you how to do this.
They're already on to me for other things.

 

[KatieCharlotte]

Not sure if that holds totally true anymore with the touch-points. We are seeing biometric "requests" for children as young as about 5 or 6 at entries since early Spring & Summer of 2013, and recently when I worked Main Entrance (Sep., Oct., Nov.) with both MB's and hard cards. Don't know if that is just an anomoly with the new RFID ticketing or whether some ticketing is not being coded as youth tickets. Would suspect the latter as the case. I normally suggest that an adult tag the ticket but some make their kids do the bio even though the smaller ones fail and then have to wait in line for the back-line GR CM as we can't "fix" the ticket now like we could with the legacy turnstile.

Yikes. When my small-boned and small-for-his age DS was ten, his fingers were too small. (Yep, I could have cheated Disney out of the difference between an adult and child ticket but chose to be honest.) After a couple tries on the first day, the CM quickly suggested DH use his finger for DS's ticket. No one thought it odd that DH did the finger scan for DS's ticket the rest of the week. I assumed this was a common enough problem. We knew it meant I couldn't take the kids in the park alone, but otherwise no big deal.

 

[KrazeeK120]

I'd be far less concerned about Disney doing something with my fingerprint (or biometric, or whatever) than other places I've been fingerprinted as a condition of volunteering/employment. Disney doesn't even store them connected with your name in any way.

 

[karenklo]

When we were there this July even my 5 yo niece had to put her finger on the scanner at every park.

 

[hsmamato2]

I understand OP's point...and I know for a fact that your fingerprints are stored,attached to your ticket under your name for as long as the ticket is still active,and I would assume forever. A couple of years ago we had some mixed up tickets for our family(I couldn't remember who used which ticket) and found this out,it is real,and yes, all that info. is remembered. The tickets being used are at least 7 years old,and We still have passes left on them. They MUST be used by the original user. No other choice, it is linked. (yes, we found this out at the gate also) It wasn't a big problem,since all of use were there,and it was simply a matter of figuring out which one it belonged to....but...the fact remains that YES,they do store your fingerprint info. YES, they clearly have the ability to further match your name to any new tickets purchased and used. (not saying they do this, but clearly they can)
OP, I think your only way around this is to walk up to the gate, buy your passes using cash,and do the license thing described by a pp....or,if no id is required at the booth when paying cash, you can just use your fingerprint,it isn't attached to any name(cash).
so your print is attached that ticket for your trip,but no name.

 

[shepd]

I did get a PM supporting me, which was nice. I can't reply as I don't have 10 posts yet, but I'd like to say thanks.

I got an email back from Disney, they confirm that you cannot use the park without being fingerprinted. I'll have to read through the thread and see just what the options are to avoid it and weigh the level of incompetence there is with Disney's first-line communications (and thus just how difficult it might be to try to use any alternative options).

It's disappointing, but I'm leaning towards giving up and just enjoying the local theme parks that don't have Disney's requirements. Maybe I'll just go to the beach up here in Canada. It's pretty warm at the right time of year. Disappointing, though, because I've always wanted to take my daughter to Disney. Oh well, when she's 18 she can decide for herself.

I'm not trying to be anonymous here. Honestly. If you really want to know who I am, do a whois on shepd.com. This doesn't have anything to do with avoiding being tracked or any crazy spook stuff. I give the border control my passport, and, when requested (which is always now), travel plans so it's not like the US doesn't know where I'll be and what I'll be doing. It just has to do with what my day job is and that it gives me inside knowledge on what really goes on in most datacentres. I am absolutely positive your fingerprints are not just staying at Disney.

I wish I could say exactly how I know not to trust anything digital with the government, but I'd be fired. Quickly. I enjoy my job too much for that!

 

[hsmamato2]

I am absolutely positive your fingerprints are not just staying at Disney.

you are probably right...

 

[shepd]

FINALLY! I got someone with a clue on the phone! I guess I cornered them a little because I specifically mentioned the privacy policy on the website and how it says Photo ID is acceptable and asked who is right... ...the reps or the website.

She put me on hold for a couple of minutes and got back to me. She said she looked into it and the website is correct. She specifically mentioned that a Driver's License (yes, even Canadian) will work and that info isn't on the site, so I think she must have spoken with someone who knew the answer. She also said it would be fine with any length of pass, even 10 days. Excellent!

That puts me at ease. I'll get my holiday booked and have a great time. Thanks guys!

I'll still buy the tickets there for cash though, just in case it becomes a crazy hassle to do it "my" way.

Hope I didn't ruffle too many feathers here or there. FWIW, my parents said no way to fingerprint scanners there and they won't even let it happen if I pay cash. I guess I'm the moderate one in the family. Hilarious because I'm usually the one with strong political opinions.

 

[Love Tink]

If you wore your tin foil hat while going through the turnstiles, maybe that would help.

 

[I Love Pluto]

I usually have trouble with the finger scan. I was told by several CMs that it isn't a fingerprint - but a measure of bone density. Having health issues with bone density makes it difficult for the machine to read.

So - as far as I know - it's not an actual fingerprint. I wouldn't worry.

 

[MinnieLovesMickey12]

We were there from Nov 10 to the 16th and never once did any of the parks get a scan of our fingerprint. We had RFID cards/tickets that we ordered through the Disney website. They came in the mail and we held them up to the little RFID card reader at the entrance to the parks. Nobody scanned our print on this trip. They always have in the past but not once this time.

You hold the card up to the little Mickey head and it swirls and swirls then turns green, then you go in. No finger print.

 

[mesaboy2]

We were there from Nov 10 to the 16th and never once did any of the parks get a scan of our fingerprint. We had RFID cards/tickets that we ordered through the Disney website. They came in the mail and we held them up to the little RFID card reader at the entrance to the parks. Nobody scanned our print on this trip. They always have in the past but not once this time.

You hold the card up to the little Mickey head and it swirls and swirls then turns green, then you go in. No finger print.

Your experience was unusual, to say the least. I entered two parks on November 17 and everyone in my group put a finger on the reader each time, as normal.

 

[MinnieLovesMickey12]

Your experience was unusual, to say the least. I entered two parks on November 17 and everyone in my group put a finger on the reader each time, as normal.

You may be right. I may be losing my mind. Which is why I asked my DH if he remembers getting a fingerprint scan during that week and he doesn't remember doing it either. So maybe we just have sometimers and forgot.

 

[Robo]

I usually have trouble with the finger scan. I was told by several CMs that it isn't a fingerprint - but a measure of bone density. Having health issues with bone density makes it difficult for the machine to read.

Sorry, but you were given some incorrect info.

The CM was likely just telling you a little "story."

 

[hsmamato2]

Sorry, but you were given some incorrect info.

The CM was likely just telling you little "story."

yup.... I used to get told that 'story'...till my own personal experience happened,and we realized just how accurate all this 'printing' and measuring' is.... let's put it this way,when my ds started using that ticket I had bought ,he was young,probably a dis 'adult' but maybe just barely (like 9,a little guy) when he got 'caught' using the wrong ticket, he was adult sized...you know how boys grow in their teens.... lots of info on file here.... I must say, we were surprised at that level of detail...(FWIW, I am still using 'extras' on those old tix lol)

 

[omurice]

If you object to the fingerprint scan, you could just stroll past the entry points, which I did by mistake once at a busy time (more like I got jostled in) There was a huge family between me and the touch points and the CMs were so preoccupied on this huge group. Once people realize they can just walk in at the right moment, it's going to be a terrible problem during busy times and I think they're going to have to narrow some of the wide gaps. There's a reason the parks had turnstiles for so long...

 

[ShayBells]

I'd bring a copy of the website with you just incase.

But I am curious. Who do you think Disney is selling our "fingerprint" too??

The government already has mine so I have nothing else to worry about I think?

Also I'm curious on what can be done with a fingerprint other than confirm death and/or a crime????

Sent from my iPhone using DISBoards

 

[shepd]

Who do I think they're "selling" it to? I wouldn't say selling it, but more like being told to give it to the government, and being told to say nothing about it (just like my day job). It's my opinion, of course. Feel free to call it a tinfoil hat opinion, but it would not be an odd request.

In Canada, the only time a Canadian will usually be fingerprinted (or at least the only time in my life, and I'm 35--and I've had several jobs + college + accounts with every single major bank here) is when you go to jail. Some children are also optionally fingerprinted by the police in case they are lost (I believe those programs are deader than a doornail here now, because I've not heard of a peep to suggest my 4 yo be fingerprinted for one, they're also optional and the child may refuse. Optional as in just don't get suckered into it at the mall). I have heard that jobs at particularly secure sites require fingerprints (Nuclear reactors / CSIS).

Is fingerprinting common in the US? In Canada the only time it is routinely used is for criminals (or people who are arrested and thus likely to become criminals). Thus to those of us from here, the first thing we think of is government/prison when asked about fingerprints.

Anyways, as for how would a hash of the fingerprint be useful for the government? Investigation -> Pull Fingerprint -> Run fingerprint through algorithm Disney uses to generate hash -> Narrow search to a few dozen people -> Hassle the 3 or 4 likely suspects until you find the right one. I'm not interested in that hassle, no thanks!

BTW, after pressuring the email rep, I managed to get a reply that stated affirmatively Photo ID is an acceptable alternative. So I booked my holiday! Yay! Maybe I should wear gloves while at Disney! Seriously, just joking!

Just read that and it sounds like I've been to jail! HA! Nothing of the sort, I assure you.