Financing a resale

Thank you for the input. The card has a permanent 5% rate, which is better than the numbers I have seen for a general search.
As I said, this is not going to be long term financing anyway as this will be paid off within a couple of years. I appreciate the concern however my financial well being and credit are not in danger.

I will check out lightstream, thank you.

Home resort is not important as we are unable to plan vacations months in advance so we go with what's available, and that's fine.

Thanks !

What Disney car do you have the at has a permanent 5% rate . I'd check that cause I have great credit and my rate was 12% for purchases . Are you talking about 5% in points back on purchases ?

If you have to finance IMO the only option is personal loan , these other ideas are really dangerous IMO , don't go refi your car or home . If you paying it off in a few years anyway the interest relate won't make much difference anyway
 
This is surprising but I have changed my ways and agree with dean here .

Just save up , if you are debt free it shouldn't take too long , it will likely take a good amount of time just going through the resale process a few months at a min .

I haven't priced personal loans but they should be in the 10-15% range I don't think you will get a ten year personal loan even if you could that would be a bad idea

You can't pay on a credit card the same reason you can't buy a house with one .
It is surprising, way to go, welcome to the dark side. I hadn't intended to respond any further on this subject since the OP clearly wasn't interested in that opinion so look at this as a general thought to anyone interested. My view on this subject is not so much the math on the single financed item but the direction it represents (leads to other bad choices) and the risk involved. Again, in general terms, I've made the same point before, that if it's important to that person and one can truly afford it, it really shouldn't take long. Plus there are many other ways to go to WDW without owning DVC, esp for a trip or 2. As for the CC, it might be possible but it's not practical. If you could find a private seller, it might be possible to pay through paypal though you'd likely have to pay extra to cover the fees. It's like buying a car, when you get a reasonable sale price, the extra fees on a CC are likely as much or more than their profit margin.
 
While I am still a 'newbie' here to the boards, I get the feeling that Dean gets a lot of flack?

Again, I appreciate the interest in my financial well being, however my original question was regarding experience that others have had with financing. I feel like I am 16 again and asking my parents for the car...! Many thanks to those who have offered up thoughts on their own experiences.

In the end, I am going to wait until early next year and pay cash for at least half.

Best Dad Ever- You have me curious about the rate now... (that's how often that card gets used). I have a feeling now that hubby is looking at the information incorrectly... !! To clarify, the ten year loan would have been nice in that it would offer low payments for the short time we had it. Thanks for your thoughts!
 
Thank you, again, for your concern. However as I stated (even though I am not applying with you), we are in exceptional financial standing and that credit card debt is not the goal.

You've made your point however it was answering what I wasn't asking.

Thanks, have a great Sunday! :coffee:

It is surprising, way to go, welcome to the dark side. I hadn't intended to respond any further on this subject since the OP clearly wasn't interested in that opinion so look at this as a general thought to anyone interested. My view on this subject is not so much the math on the single financed item but the direction it represents (leads to other bad choices) and the risk involved. Again, in general terms, I've made the same point before, that if it's important to that person and one can truly afford it, it really shouldn't take long. Plus there are many other ways to go to WDW without owning DVC, esp for a trip or 2. As for the CC, it might be possible but it's not practical. If you could find a private seller, it might be possible to pay through paypal though you'd likely have to pay extra to cover the fees. It's like buying a car, when you get a reasonable sale price, the extra fees on a CC are likely as much or more than their profit margin.
 

While I am still a 'newbie' here to the boards, I get the feeling that Dean gets a lot of flack?
It depends on the subject but as a rule, no. I think I've earned my stripes and feel like I've helped a lot of people over the years. I am pretty hard line on matters of principle (that's why they're called principles) and IMO consumer debt is one of principle.

Again, I appreciate the interest in my financial well being, however my original question was regarding experience that others have had with financing. I feel like I am 16 again and asking my parents for the car...! Many thanks to those who have offered up thoughts on their own experiences.
There's no reason to, my last response wasn't specific to you or your situation as you posted it. The history you do not know is that BestDadEver and I have been on opposites sides of this discussion and IIRC, he's on record as saying he financed everything he could at every opportunity. I'm pleased for him that he'd decided to reduce his risk in life.

In the end, I am going to wait until early next year and pay cash for at least half.
That's great, I hope things work out for you.
 
Thanks so much, but again, I wasn't looking for that kind of help.
I look forward to seeing you in other threads and lighter discussions. :)

It depends on the subject but as a rule, no. I think I've earned my stripes and feel like I've helped a lot of people over the years. I am pretty hard line on matters of principle (that's why they're called principles) and IMO consumer debt is one of principle.

There's no reason to, my last response wasn't specific to you or your situation as you posted it. The history you do not know is that BestDadEver and I have been on opposites sides of this discussion and IIRC, he's on record as saying he financed everything he could at every opportunity. I'm pleased for him that he'd decided to reduce his risk in life.

That's great, I hope things work out for you.
 
While I am still a 'newbie' here to the boards, I get the feeling that Dean gets a lot of flack?

Again, I appreciate the interest in my financial well being, however my original question was regarding experience that others have had with financing. I feel like I am 16 again and asking my parents for the car...! Many thanks to those who have offered up thoughts on their own experiences.

In the end, I am going to wait until early next year and pay cash for at least half.

Best Dad Ever- You have me curious about the rate now... (that's how often that card gets used). I have a feeling now that hubby is looking at the information incorrectly... !! To clarify, the ten year loan would have been nice in that it would offer low payments for the short time we had it. Thanks for your thoughts!

5% on a credit card makes no sense . Average is around 15% .

I don't think dean gets a lot of flack , he gets a lot of support IMO . I think he's been through it enough that he isn't willing to continue pushing his thoughts on you if you don't agree .

I have argued with dean a lot on this site about financing a timeshare . That's why I wrote it may be surprising in my post . I used to be very pro financing everything , so wasn't listening to people telling me it's a bad idea . It's not I am struggling but something flipped in me and I don't want to be in debt anymore , and have seen how being debt free will change my life , and family tree .

I still don't think it's really bad financing considering how fast the prices are rising but , but I won't be doing it anymore so I wouldn't recommend it .

What is interesting to me is you say you have no other debt but you want to go into debt for this . Kind of goes against the normal thinking of someone that has no debts . If you really don't have debt, I not sure why you don't just save up for it may only take 6months to year to come up with some money for a resale .

If I you I'd be looking to buy at SSR has the cheapest overall cost to own . I haven't looked at resales but last I herd they were selling around $50pp that's only $5k per hundred points y wouldn't need more then 200 to get a 1br for a week .

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You've made your point however it was answering what I wasn't asking.

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You will get a lot of that from a lot of members here if you mention financing a timeshare
 
Thanks so much, but again, I wasn't looking for that kind of help.
I look forward to seeing you in other threads and lighter discussions. :)
But others may be. Thread's are often responded to with the general in mind, not just the OP.
 
But others may be. Thread's are often responded to with the general in mind, not just the OP.

Excellent. Then I am happy knowing you were not directing your thoughts at me. Thanks again.
 
Just a comment on the Disney card - the interest rate is not 5%. It's around 13%.
Mine is 14.24% for purchases and transfers and 19.24% on cash advances it may vary though from person to person with chase. I know they've had specials at times and sometimes they target those to specific people as well. They've had some interest free options for purchasing DVC, I'm not sure the specifics but you'd have to buy retail for it to be applicable. The problem with using those reduced rates and specials is the same as using the "free interest for 6 months" type of deals. If you don't hit the letter of the law on the rules, or if you do and they say you didn't, they immediately increase your rate in most cases to a dramatic amount, often higher than the numbers I quoted. And in some cases, they can go back and charge the higher interest on the amount financed but already paid plus with CC they can charge it then on everything then on the card as well.
 
Thanks for your thoughts, again. As I said, I think that my husband has the information incorrect regarding the APR.

I don't think that anyone should push thoughts when they aren't relevant to what's being asked. I am all for a lively debate, however that is not what I started this thread for. I will never start another thread on the subject. I suppose going on a public board in the first place talking personal finances is asking for it. Note to self..

That's great that you've made that change and that you're so open to sharing your story. I am surprised by the level of sharing going on in these threads regarding personal lives and finances. I suppose if one feels their story is relevant and may benefit others, that's great.

I think you may have missed where I stated that this would be very short term debt. I am laughing out loud at the thought that I would announce charging $15k in debt for a timeshare to carry long term and asking for others opinions. I realize you don't know me but... that would be insanity.
Coming off of my fabulous visit to Aulani, I am on a DVC high and am anxious, but will wait until early next year when I can put at least half down in cash. Seeing as how we cannot plan months in advance anyway, hopefully we could still squeeze something in for September, 2015.

5% on a credit card makes no sense . Average is around 15% .

I don't think dean gets a lot of flack , he gets a lot of support IMO . I think he's been through it enough that he isn't willing to continue pushing his thoughts on you if you don't agree .

I have argued with dean a lot on this site about financing a timeshare . That's why I wrote it may be surprising in my post . I used to be very pro financing everything , so wasn't listening to people telling me it's a bad idea . It's not I am struggling but something flipped in me and I don't want to be in debt anymore , and have seen how being debt free will change my life , and family tree .

I still don't think it's really bad financing considering how fast the prices are rising but , but I won't be doing it anymore so I wouldn't recommend it .

What is interesting to me is you say you have no other debt but you want to go into debt for this . Kind of goes against the normal thinking of someone that has no debts . If you really don't have debt, I not sure why you don't just save up for it may only take 6months to year to come up with some money for a resale .

If I you I'd be looking to buy at SSR has the cheapest overall cost to own . I haven't looked at resales but last I herd they were selling around $50pp that's only $5k per hundred points y wouldn't need more then 200 to get a 1br for a week .



You will get a lot of that from a lot of members here if you mention financing a timeshare
 
Excellent. Then I am happy knowing you were not directing your thoughts at me. Thanks again.
As a rule I make every effort to respond to the principle involved rather than the person as much as possible and very often my posts are intentionally aimed at others who may be reading then or in the future more so than the OP.

I don't think that anyone should push thoughts when they aren't relevant to what's being asked. I am all for a lively debate, however that is not what I started this thread for. I will never start another thread on the subject. I suppose going on a public board in the first place talking personal finances is asking for it. Note to self..
That's just it, it is relevant to your OP even if it's not what you were specifically looking for.
 
As a rule I make every effort to respond to the principle involved rather than the person as much as possible and very often my posts are intentionally aimed at others who may be reading then or in the future more so than the OP.

That's just it, it is relevant to your OP even if it's not what you were specifically looking for.

Ok, so I should have ignored your posts (my thread so I assumed you were talking to me). Perhaps it was the delivery that irked me. I hope you were able to help others, thanks so much!
 
Thanks for your thoughts, again. As I said, I think that my husband has the information incorrect regarding the APR.

I don't think that anyone should push thoughts when they aren't relevant to what's being asked. I am all for a lively debate, however that is not what I started this thread for. I will never start another thread on the subject. I suppose going on a public board in the first place talking personal finances is asking for it. Note to self..

That's great that you've made that change and that you're so open to sharing your story. I am surprised by the level of sharing going on in these threads regarding personal lives and finances. I suppose if one feels their story is relevant and may benefit others, that's great.

I think you may have missed where I stated that this would be very short term debt. I am laughing out loud at the thought that I would announce charging $15k in debt for a timeshare to carry long term and asking for others opinions. I realize you don't know me but... that would be insanity.
Coming off of my fabulous visit to Aulani, I am on a DVC high and am anxious, but will wait until early next year when I can put at least half down in cash. Seeing as how we cannot plan months in advance anyway, hopefully we could still squeeze something in for September, 2015.

What are you plans for points and visits what kind of rooms you want to be in ?

$15k on a resale seems like the 250 point range . Do you need thet many . I have 100 only go every 2 years keeps the dues down and I can get pretty much any 1br for a week with 200 points . Or go every year in a studio if I change my mind .

Also I'd suggest taking the time you are saving to really research the system it has lots of complicated areas people often buy not knowing them . I spent a good year looking into it .
 
What are you plans for points and visits what kind of rooms you want to be in ?

$15k on a resale seems like the 250 point range . Do you need thet many . I have 100 only go every 2 years keeps the dues down and I can get pretty much any 1br for a week with 200 points . Or go every year in a studio if I change my mind .

I was actually just throwing a number out there, nothing has been decided. I am still learning by reading everyones posts about the dues and rooms, etc. It is easy when using my parents points, but now in looking to purchase my own, there is a lot to consider. The kids are 13 and 15, our next vacation they will be 14 and 16. We are looking at maybe another two vacations with them before we are empty nester's (for the most part, as the 13 y/o lives with her mother primarily). I know I can always add points later (as well as bank and borrow) so I don't need to jump in at 250 points, we can start low and build. I would like to be able to do something yearly- if not with the kids then with then just my husband. Two studios is ok, we don't always need the kitchen and bedrooms, although it is nice. So much to consider- but it makes me happy to do the research, it will keep me busy until it's time. ::yes::

We have used my parents DVC for years and I have researched so much. I think now it would benefit me, as the time gets closer, to spend time here and take a look at posts from others for things that I've missed or have not considered.
 
I was actually just throwing a number out there, nothing has been decided. I am still learning by reading everyones posts about the dues and rooms, etc. It is easy when using my parents points, but now in looking to purchase my own, there is a lot to consider. The kids are 13 and 15, our next vacation they will be 14 and 16. We are looking at maybe another two vacations with them before we are empty nester's (for the most part, as the 13 y/o lives with her mother primarily). I know I can always add points later (as well as bank and borrow) so I don't need to jump in at 250 points, we can start low and build. I would like to be able to do something yearly- if not with the kids then with then just my husband. Two studios is ok, we don't always need the kitchen and bedrooms, although it is nice. So much to consider- but it makes me happy to do the research, it will keep me busy until it's time. ::yes::

We have used my parents DVC for years and I have researched so much. I think now it would benefit me, as the time gets closer, to spend time here and take a look at posts from others for things that I've missed or have not considered.
In general it's often better to underbuy in both resort (SSR over VGF for example) and number of points, esp if at least 150 or more points are on the table. By selecting a good contract and with borrowing, 150 can easily seem like 200-250 for a few years. Smaller contracts tend to be priced at a premium, many buyers tend to underestimate their needs and closing costs are relatively fixed are the 3 reasons I feel going too small is often not the best choice. But every situation is different, each one has to gather their info and piece together their best choices.

For adult children looking to be second generation buyers, I think it's often best to consider and possibly discuss with the parents before making final decisions. Sometimes you find they don't want to continue ownership or that they want to add on. Obviously the number of points involved, health issues, siblings and many other factors can affect such dynamics. I've seen parents simply transfer the deed to the children when they showed an interest in buying. I've also seen them get upset if they were unaware of the kids buying. My daughter and SIL went to HI using our timeshares (Marriott II exchanges). They ended up doing a Wyndham timeshare tour and when they got to the push to buy, my SIL asked why they'd want to buy when they could mooch off the FIL. It's not really mooching when I'm a willing participant trying to help them along the way but there really isn't any comeback for that for the salesperson in that situation. For others reading, if the points are qualified and the parents either changed the deed to add the adult children or gave them a gratuitous transfer, the points would remain qualified. Any agreement to compensate would be a sale and in FL, as in all states I'm aware of, it'd be illegal to say it was gratuitous if it wasn't no matter how you framed it.
 
I was actually just throwing a number out there, nothing has been decided. I am still learning by reading everyones posts about the dues and rooms, etc. It is easy when using my parents points, but now in looking to purchase my own, there is a lot to consider. The kids are 13 and 15, our next vacation they will be 14 and 16. We are looking at maybe another two vacations with them before we are empty nester's (for the most part, as the 13 y/o lives with her mother primarily). I know I can always add points later (as well as bank and borrow) so I don't need to jump in at 250 points, we can start low and build. I would like to be able to do something yearly- if not with the kids then with then just my husband. Two studios is ok, we don't always need the kitchen and bedrooms, although it is nice. So much to consider- but it makes me happy to do the research, it will keep me busy until it's time. ::yes::

We have used my parents DVC for years and I have researched so much. I think now it would benefit me, as the time gets closer, to spend time here and take a look at posts from others for things that I've missed or have not considered.

I I wasn't saying that you didn't know . Just make sure you know how the UY effects things , how and when you need to bank borrow , what happens in the last 4 months of your UY . A good understanding of the home resort advantage , and avalibilty . You say 11 months is not going to work is booking at 7 months going to work , cause at 6 months things get really hard to book . I am only mentioning these things cause using your parents points you most likely didn't have to deal with all that , just book when you wanted .

It's also not easy to book 2 studios next to espadrilles other in most resorts .
 
In general it's often better to underbuy in both resort (SSR over VGF for example) and number of points, esp if at least 150 or more points are on the table. By selecting a good contract and with borrowing, 150 can easily seem like 200-250 for a few years. Smaller contracts tend to be priced at a premium, many buyers tend to underestimate their needs and closing costs are relatively fixed are the 3 reasons I feel going too small is often not the best choice. But every situation is different, each one has to gather their info and piece together their best choices.

For adult children looking to be second generation buyers, I think it's often best to consider and possibly discuss with the parents before making final decisions. Sometimes you find they don't want to continue ownership or that they want to add on. Obviously the number of points involved, health issues, siblings and many other factors can affect such dynamics. I've seen parents simply transfer the deed to the children when they showed an interest in buying. I've also seen them get upset if they were unaware of the kids buying. My daughter and SIL went to HI using our timeshares (Marriott II exchanges). They ended up doing a Wyndham timeshare tour and when they got to the push to buy, my SIL asked why they'd want to buy when they could mooch off the FIL. It's not really mooching when I'm a willing participant trying to help them along the way but there really isn't any comeback for that for the salesperson in that situation. For others reading, if the points are qualified and the parents either changed the deed to add the adult children or gave them a gratuitous transfer, the points would remain qualified. Any agreement to compensate would be a sale and in FL, as in all states I'm aware of, it'd be illegal to say it was gratuitous if it wasn't no matter how you framed it.

Good points, thank you. My parents will be holding on to their DVC as long as they can in addition to the other they own, and I am happy to see that. They have worked very hard for what they have (and have been very generous with sharing). Interesting to not, although I am not going to buy from DVC direct (unlikely), I do have the ability to add a 2nd Master Contract on to theirs and purchase SSR, which is currently closed. But... back to what I said before about the resale being a better fit. Cruising and the Disney Collection isn't that important.
Anyway, down the road could my parents no longer use it and want to give it up, sure, and that won't be a problem between their four kids- each with our own family. :)
 



















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