Female athlete has teeth knocked out by male player

[LuvOrlando]

Gear is oftentimes different for mens sports vs womens sports due to vast differences in strength. My son played Lacrosse & we watched the girls play as well, great athletes everywhere. The head protection was vastly different due to the drastic difference in the, let's use the word mode because it permits outliers differently, so mode velocity in a shot from an adult man v an adult woman. Girls team didn't even have a shield for LAX. You ever see men's LAX head gear? The girls were excellent athletes however it is not the same at all & it is there plain as day in the gear presumably selected in the athletes best interests. The gear for sports tells a story.

There should be a separate team or all thletes get dropped into a mix and performance gets calculated and athletes go where their numbers land them in a giant coed Varsity / JR Varsity way, but the disparity needs to be addressed and privacy needs to be addressed. I'm ok with there being a single co-ed Varsity Basketball and a single JR Varsity if we are all the same then mix it up across the board. Mens teams can't remain untouched by the issue, if women need to adapt so do the men.

 

[sam_gordon]

Correct, Title IX requires equal funding for boys and girls sports. Which in some cases prompts schools to add girls sports even though there isn't much interest from the students At my daughter's high school, she went to the first tryout for the soccer team. First thing she was told was, anyone that had tried out for soccer and didn't make the soccer team was automatically on the La Crosse team. They even put on La Crosse training camps because most of the girls knew nothing about La Crosse. My daughter hated the environment of both teams and dropped out. But title IX was the reason. They had funding for a girls La Crosse team because they HAD to spend that money on girls sports and the school picked La Crosse as the team to add. 14 years later, they still have a girls La Crosse team and last I saw, they are still waiting for their first win.

And there are non school associated sports that doesn't factor in to Title IX. So, why does the local rec soccer club offer a girls division and a boys division?

I don't think anyone is going to convince me that males, especially once they've gone through puberty, should be allowed to play on girls teams. If some organizer (whether school, community, or other) wants to allow males and females on the same teams, they should play in male (or "open") divisions.

ETA: my sons indoor soccer team did play in a girls division when they were young, but that division was two years older (so the boys were 10, they were playing against 12yo girls). I would not have faulted a team for not wanting to play us.

 

[tvguy]

And there are non school associated sports that doesn't factor in to Title IX. So, why does the local rec soccer club offer a girls division and a boys division?

I don't think anyone is going to convince me that males, especially once they've gone through puberty, should be allowed to play on girls teams. If some organizer (whether school, community, or other) wants to allow males and females on the same teams, they should play in male (or "open") divisions.

ETA: my sons indoor soccer team did play in a girls division when they were young, but that division was two years older (so the boys were 10, they were playing against 12yo girls). I would not have faulted a team for not wanting to play us.

We have co-ed rec soccer here.
Little League is co-ed. But few girls chose to play.

 

[tvguy]

But at what cost?

Not sure I understand your question. Cost of what?

 

[sam_gordon]

We have co-ed rec soccer here.
Little League is co-ed. But few girls chose to play.

And are there "girl" divisions? Or is it 100% co-ed? If fully co-ed, do they regulate how many girls on the field at the same time or how they fall in the batting order?

Again, all "boys" teams are technically co-ed. There is no rule that says you have to be male to play.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Not sure I understand your question. Cost of what?

You said your mom understood that sports injuries were avoidable.

Does that mean that kids should avoid sports? Or riding a bike? Or running track? Or tossing a frisbee?

To me, the alternative to ”avoiding injuries” is to stay in the house and do nothing?

So, at what cost do we not play sports in order to avoid injuries?

 

[tvguy]

You said your mom understood that sports injuries were avoidable.

Does that mean that kids should avoid sports? Or riding a bike? Or running track? Or tossing a frisbee?

To me, the alternative to ”avoiding injuries” is to stay in the house and do nothing?

So, at what cost do we not play sports in order to avoid injuries?

Everything in moderation. Most sports programs are not in moderation.

 

[tvguy]

And are there "girl" divisions? Or is it 100% co-ed? If fully co-ed, do they regulate how many girls on the field at the same time or how they fall in the batting order?

Again, all "boys" teams are technically co-ed. There is no rule that says you have to be male to play.

The teams must have the same number of each gender on each side in soccer
No gender based rules in Little League.

 

[sam_gordon]

Everything in moderation. Most sports programs are not in moderation.

I'm not sure I agree with your second sentence. What is "moderate"? I don't think 2 practices a week with 2-3 games on weekends is too much, maybe because that's what I'm used to with my kids. Of course, at younger ages, a single practice a week and 2-3 games spread over the rest of the week is "normal".

Your posts on this thread imply you dislike organized sports. And that's fine. But there are a lot of benefits to participating. And I agree w/@Pea-n-Me, if kids should avoid sports because of potential danger, what else should they avoid? Skateboarding? Bike riding? Riding in cars?

By the way, going back to the "a lot of deaths" in youth sports that you commented on, according to this article (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6522087/), there were 45 sudden deaths over 8 years (2007-2015).

This article (https://www.childrenscolorado.org/c...aches/sudden-cardiac-death-in-young-athletes/) says there's 1 death among every 100,000 to 200,000 athletes.

 

[HopperFan]

And it sure seems like a lot of High School athletes are dying, so does make me wonder about the value of High School sports.

I've been sorting through boxes of paperwork to take to a shredding event and I came across my kid's physicals to compete in high school sports including their heart screenings. I don't believe people are doing it much anymore and I've noticed an increase in reporting of kids having heart incidents during sports. (DD college team required a current screening be done)

DD had a serious, lifelong impacting, back incident doing high school sports. I can laugh now at all the medical receipts from DS from both soccer and cross country, to the point the hospital urgent care knew his name. Xrays and all kinds of therapies. Sports cause injuries. We use to tease at the end of a cross country race if you didn't drop from exhaustion after crossing the finish line, you didn't give it all you had. My Mom went to one race and was so upset at how grueling it was she never came again. Who doesn't love seeing their grandchild's eyes roll up as they drag them off the course.

They both competed in college for a short time before deciding they'd rather have a life and paycheck. DS is now a coach in multiple sports. He loves it so I suppose he will say it was worth it. DD ended up working for two DIV I Athletic Dept and one was a high level position, perhaps she will say it was worth it. DSIL competed in HS and College Football, loved it. DSIL Bro competed in HS and is a Pro Athlete so am sure worth it. DH compete in HS and recruited for college. But me coming from a non-athletic city family I have very mixed feelings. I'd rather non-injured children but they learned so much from team sports. I say this as I just got back from a State XC Championship where DS team was competing.

Okay, maybe "too often" is a better choice of words.
Why are their girl's teams to start with? Title IX requires them.

PRO of Title IX was to insure "public" schools or those received Federal Funds provided equal funds for women's sports BUT sadly the way they worded this was so vague that it doesn't clarify enough. Therefore it could be presented as co-ed sports or one gender asking to be on the team set up for the other gender. Lots of loop holes for things not intended. Not sure where this will end up but I think it needs some cleaning.

 

[tvguy]

I'm not sure I agree with your second sentence. What is "moderate"? I don't think 2 practices a week with 2-3 games on weekends is too much, maybe because that's what I'm used to with my kids. Of course, at younger ages, a single practice a week and 2-3 games spread over the rest of the week is "normal".

Your posts on this thread imply you dislike organized sports. And that's fine. But there are a lot of benefits to participating. And I agree w/@Pea-n-Me, if kids should avoid sports because of potential danger, what else should they avoid? Skateboarding? Bike riding? Riding in cars?

By the way, going back to the "a lot of deaths" in youth sports that you commented on, according to this article (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6522087/), there were 45 sudden deaths over 8 years (2007-2015).

This article (https://www.childrenscolorado.org/c...aches/sudden-cardiac-death-in-young-athletes/) says there's 1 death among every 100,000 to 200,000 athletes.

My concern is with high school sports. Around here, depending on the sport, but for football that is 2 practices a day .Weight training at 6 am, full workout after school, 4 days a week. Baseball is was normally 2 games a week, and if both games are on weekdays , 3 practices a week. If one of the games is on Saturday, then 4 practices a week. Tournaments are different. We played one in Las Vegas and it was 2 games a week for 7 days, no practices since there were no facilities available.
My issue is with school sports as recreational leagues are much less strenuous .
Not a fan of College Sports as to me the role of college is to educate, not compete. I understand that some alumni give a lot of money to sports programs. At my College they dumped football because it just wasn't making enough money. Frustrated me in the dining hall in College that they had a separate line for the Basketball players who got steak dinners on game day.. Some 85 year old woman donated the money for those steaks, and the Fundraising Vice President had to talk her into allowing the bulk of the money to be used for academic scholarships. She donated $75,000 and back in 1976 20 steak dinners per game didn't cost anywhere near that.

 

[sam_gordon]

My concern is with high school sports. Around here, depending on the sport, but for football that is 2 practices a day .Weight training at 6 am, full workout after school, 4 days a week. Baseball is was normally 2 games a week, and if both games are on weekdays , 3 practices a week. If one of the games is on Saturday, then 4 practices a week. Tournaments are different. We played one in Las Vegas and it was 2 games a week for 7 days, no practices since there were no facilities available.
My issue is with school sports as recreational leagues are much less strenuous .

IMO, by the time they get to HS, they can handle more rigorous training. When I was in HS (30+ years ago), every sport had one practice a day (unless they had a game). Football had 2x a day for two weeks(?) pre season. I don't think what you listed is extreme.

 

[tvguy]

IMO, by the time they get to HS, they can handle more rigorous training. When I was in HS (30+ years ago), every sport had one practice a day (unless they had a game). Football had 2x a day for two weeks(?) pre season. I don't think what you listed is extreme.

Wow, my 50th High School reunion is just over a year away and it wasn't anywhere near that tough back then. My son played High School ball and what was tough were some of the away games. First away game of the year was 75 miles away in Napa. He got home at 11 pm, had to get showered, do his homework, and be up at 630 am the next day for school. But as he was the only AP student on the team, his homework load was a bit more. But school is for education, not competition.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

school is for education, not competition.

It’s well documented that there are many advantages to participating in co-educational activities, and not just sports.

For many, it’s part of one’s education, and the benefits can last a lifetime.

https://www.nfhs.org/articles/the-c...ctivity,Activities are Inherently Educational.

Frustrated me in the dining hall in College that they had a separate line for the Basketball players who got steak dinners on game day..

Basketball players and other athletes need additional protein if their workouts are strenuous. Maybe that’s why the donor did that.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Small update.

A captain from the injured player’s team posted a letter to the MIAA (MA Interscholastic Athletic Association) on X:

 

[HopperFan]

Small update.

A captain from the injured player’s team posted a letter to the MIAA (MA Interscholastic Athletic Association) on X:

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Good for her, and I hope this is just the beginning of addressing the issue of broad, vague guidelines and loopholes in what was supposed to give girls/women equal funding ... sadly without protection.

 

[lanejudy]

There were girls teams WAY before Title IX.

And Title IX doesn't require any specific sport.

The reason for Title IX...let me tell you a story...

Until the mid-1970's, the high school I attended did not have any girls' sports. None. My mom had been a high school basketball player and when hired to teach at this school in the late 50's, the superintendent told her "it will be over my dead body" that girls' sports would be offered at the school. A public high school in the state capital. It was almost 20 years later that girls sports were finally offered.

Now...as to what Title IX has become? And how it has been manipulated by some? That's a different question and likely varies widely from one school to the next. But equivalent offerings for girls, and trying to remove the bass-ackwards thinking of old timers like that superintendent -- THAT was the original reason for Title IX.

 

[dez1978]

My concern is with high school sports. Around here, depending on the sport, but for football that is 2 practices a day .Weight training at 6 am, full workout after school, 4 days a week. Baseball is was normally 2 games a week, and if both games are on weekdays , 3 practices a week. If one of the games is on Saturday, then 4 practices a week. Tournaments are different. We played one in Las Vegas and it was 2 games a week for 7 days, no practices since there were no facilities available.
My issue is with school sports as recreational leagues are much less strenuous .
Not a fan of College Sports as to me the role of college is to educate, not compete. I understand that some alumni give a lot of money to sports programs. At my College they dumped football because it just wasn't making enough money. Frustrated me in the dining hall in College that they had a separate line for the Basketball players who got steak dinners on game day.. Some 85 year old woman donated the money for those steaks, and the Fundraising Vice President had to talk her into allowing the bulk of the money to be used for academic scholarships. She donated $75,000 and back in 1976 20 steak dinners per game didn't cost anywhere near that.

My 7th grader had 2 hr football practices, 4 days a week and a game on the 5th day. Now we've moved to wrestling, where he has practice 2 hrs a night 5 days a week. Plus tournaments. It's just part of sports. And most kids enjoy it, or they wouldn't do it year after year.

To me college is a means to an end. A path to the career of your choice. And for some, that choice is sports. And for many, without sports, college wouldn't even be an option.

 

[kanerf]

Let us hope that the massive lawsuit filed by the injured girl's parents against the male player's family and the school district shuts down this sort of thing going forward. It seems that paying out massive sums is all that the school district's seem to understand.

 

[sam_gordon]

The reason for Title IX...let me tell you a story...

Until the mid-1970's, the high school I attended did not have any girls' sports. None. My mom had been a high school basketball player and when hired to teach at this school in the late 50's, the superintendent told her "it will be over my dead body" that girls' sports would be offered at the school. A public high school in the state capital. It was almost 20 years later that girls sports were finally offered.

Now...as to what Title IX has become? And how it has been manipulated by some? That's a different question and likely varies widely from one school to the next. But equivalent offerings for girls, and trying to remove the bass-ackwards thinking of old timers like that superintendent -- THAT was the original reason for Title IX.

OK? I'm not saying Title IX isn't/wasn't necessary.

I'm saying there are girls versions of sports (basketball, softball, soccer, etc) SPECIFICALLY because boys are physically different. I don't think biological males should be allowed to play on designated "girls" teams.