Feel really down as DD4 goes to school and Head says no holidays

[saratogagirl]

Just out of interest, but something my husband mentioned might be of interest. What would happen if everything shut down like the schools !!

Schools close for 6 weeks in the summer.... 2 at Easter, 2 at Christmas and 2 in October. So should the Armed Forces, Police, Ambulance Services, Pilots, Gas and Oil Industry all shut down at the same time ??

We'd be in a sorry state if they did !!

If teachers worked the same hours as everyone else we would be far better off.

I have friends who like Obi, work long hours, and I admire these people.
They work hard to get where they are.

(BTW no-one is fighting, we are merely having a discussion, even if it is a somewhat heated one).

Grow up !!

Time for me to bow out gracefully I think ....

 

[PoppyAnna]

Oh dear, I've just logged in for the first time since Friday night, can't believe this thread is into the eighties......after a quick glance looks like there is some anger too....oh no what have I done....

 

[Frances999]

....oh no what have I done....

It certainly isn't your fault.

 

[DisneyJo]

Hey I thought we were all nice here, as my Nan used to say if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all!

 

[angel659]

This is a very touchy subject for me, because I have HUGE issues with the amount of holidays teachers get, compared to the rest of the UK workforce.
And I have friends who are teachers too, and they actually agree with me.
They get bored with the amount of days off that they get !

We back onto a school where we live - and the first cars do not arrive at the school until 10 minutes before it starts at 9 a.m. and they are gone within 10minutes of the school closing.

Why should the rest of us get 25 days a year, when they get something like 60 ?

Well if you feel that strongley about it then why dont you simply change your career and become a teacher. Having said that the simple mindness of this post might prove that you would not make a good teacher.

Comparing the work forces and hospitals is not an intelligent debate. I work in the hospital and how you can compare is just silly. What you want us to say everyone "Dont have any cardiac arrests until the hospital opens again, because there are small minded people out there who are making a fuss about how many days off they are entitled to.

On another note. Count yourself lucky. Americans have something like two weeks!

As for grown up. Perhaps you should look into that phrase first before saying such a foolish statement in the first place.

This thread should be closed, due to the fact this has got nasty and way off the issue at hand.

There is healthy and debate and plan nasty. I do not go on this board to have people snipe at each other. This needs to stop!

 

[mark&sue]

Claire is right. I won't be complaining in three years as I will be able to get anytime off work I like (but not Christmas) and I am counting the days until Kirsty leaves school. I am far too selfish and like my holidays too much to choose to have another child!

As previously said for me it is the fact that where I work we all want the same time off work. so even if I could not afford to have "luxury" holidays I still would not be able to spend time with my child even if we were to stay at home.

I really do not blame teachers, but the system. It also is the luck of the draw who works in my team at work. There are an awful lot of parents that work for the council and we all seem to want the exact time off whether we go for expensive holidays or just to go to the local park. Luckily I have loads of time off but just can't take it when I want to. Perhaps I should start a ticker for when Kirsty leaves school. In fact I think it is two years 11 months now.


Susan

 

[angel659]

Oh dear, I've just logged in for the first time since Friday night, can't believe this thread is into the eighties......after a quick glance looks like there is some anger too....oh no what have I done....

Its not your fault at all. I am now getting angry at this thread because of the small minded people on here. I think this should be closed.

We are not here to compare people or judge. Praise people because they want an early heart attack by over working is beyond me. How you can admire workaholics is beyond me. I know I would prefer to be living my life and looking after my health.

Again its not your fault.

Can we please close this thread!

 

[wils]

...oh no what have I done....

You just shared your frustration with some friends.

I think we're miles away from the original point now

 

[hildasmuriel]

We back onto a school where we live - and the first cars do not arrive at the school until 10 minutes before it starts at 9 a.m. and they are gone within 10minutes of the school closing.

I'm moving to where you live!
I have NEVER been the first to arrive at our school and it's become a bit of a challenge to see if I can be (sad, I know - I'm not even a teacher, just support staff - I don't get paid until 8.55am). I have been there at 7.10 am, but still there were 2 members of staff there before me. By 8 o'clock each morning people are having to double park ( a whole other issue about the school doubling in size but the car park staying the same!).
I don't usually stay much past 4.30 (bear in mind I am only paid until 3.10 before you call me lazy ) but there are always at least a quarter of the staff still there.
I live near the school and always glance in as I drive by - the Head must almost live there - Bank Holidays, Sundays, you name it she's there.
We have one teacher who complains every year because the caretaker won't open on Christmas Day. She says as she is not a Christian she should have the right to work on Christmas Day. It hasn't worked yet - the caretaker has the right to the day off.

Like all jobs though, some work harder than others - there are some people who don't arrive until 10 minutes before they are due to start but they are definitely in a minority in our school.

 

[wils]

There is not a mod online at the mo but I've Pm'd Kaylee.

Meanwhile see you all on another happier thread

 

[angel659]

Thanks Jo. Was going to pm, but thought I would post on the thread instead.

 

[mark&sue]

I can't remember a thread about school holidays etc which has not been closed.

I think even the US boards have the same problem. Wow I think it is even more of a touchy subject than religion or politics!

Hope no one takes any of the posts to heart.

I would never want to argue with anyone on here.

Come over to the ask me anything Mark&sue thread. I am missing you all.


Susan

 

[emily1982]

This is a very touchy subject for me, because I have HUGE issues with the amount of holidays teachers get, compared to the rest of the UK workforce.
And I have friends who are teachers too, and they actually agree with me.
They get bored with the amount of days off that they get !

We back onto a school where we live - and the first cars do not arrive at the school until 10 minutes before it starts at 9 a.m. and they are gone within 10minutes of the school closing.

Why should the rest of us get 25 days a year, when they get something like 60 ?

Okay, so you want to completley wear your children out??

When would the teachers take their holidays as we're not allowed time off?

As ive said before a school isn't a babysitting service.

 

[Gillsfan]

Just out of interest, but something my husband mentioned might be of interest. What would happen if everything shut down like the schools !!

Schools close for 6 weeks in the summer.... 2 at Easter, 2 at Christmas and 2 in October. So should the Armed Forces, Police, Ambulance Services, Pilots, Gas and Oil Industry all shut down at the same time ??

We'd be in a sorry state if they did !!

If teachers worked the same hours as everyone else we would be far better off.

I have friends who like Obi, work long hours, and I admire these people.
They work hard to get where they are.

(BTW no-one is fighting, we are merely having a discussion, even if it is a somewhat heated one).

Grow up !!

How can you compare 24hr 365day industries to a school? Children need a break as well as the teachers, thats the main reason why they close.

Also, dont get me wrong, I respect anyones decision to work hard to get where they are, but I dont see why you would admire a person for working long hours? Surely, any of us can choose to work longer and become more succesfull?

I for one am quite happy in my 9-5 mon to fri average wage job because I get to spend more time with my kids and enjoy them growing up. Its all about personal choice.

Lastly, just because someone has a degree or works in a field that requires years of study, it doesnt mean the rest of us dont work hard (Not including myself in that one, cos I dont work hard. well not too hard anyway)

 

[PoppyAnna]

Wow what a debate

First, I think this thread has gone off on a tangent from the OP. Who was merely looking for support and this thread has gone from an innocent thread to judging people.

This is as far as I got and it's post number 62 out of 90 odd - I will not be reading any further.
I am fairly new to the DIS in comparison to most of the posters in this thread and I wasn't aware of previous threads on this subject and how they end up - can I remind every body of the subject - "What does everybody do when it comes to taking holidays, do you take your children out of school in term time?"

My eldest daughter is about to start school, in May we came back from the best holiday we've ever had with our family (yes, I love going on holiday with my children ) I was disappointed to hear from my DD4's Headmistress (whom I already respect, no end) that no in term holiday would be granted by her as the local EA have "clamped down" on her previously more flexible allowances.
I was mearly (sp?) looking for support and knowledge from others who were not so new to this business. I know lots of DISers are parents and I thought I would get an insight into how it affects your children and how you work it into your home/work life as well as your budget. I thought that was what the DIS was all about
I wasn't asking for it to turn into a "teacher bashing/compared to how hard I work in my job" debate.
I don't yet have any first hand experience of teacher training days, parents evenings and the days when they allow pupils spend time watching DVD's. As a SAHM these occurences will not affect me in they way they affect full time working parents.

One point to Obi, you may work from 0530 - 2300 but you're on here a lot, I doubt teachers get time to surf in their work hours - whatever you think they are.
Flame suit buckled up!

Many thanks SSue for the heads up -

 

[jonkatony]

I for one am quite happy in my 9-5 mon to fri average wage job because I get to spend more time with my kids and enjoy them growing up. Its all about personal choice.

,
Gillsfan well said, I am a professional and I work in an industry that allows a reasonable flexibility in working hours, some work 12-14 hours a day. I see my kids in the morning and evening and feel very lucky to be able to do so. I do not judge people who work long hours, but nor should they judge me.