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Yeah. It's not just for salads and dipping vegetables anymore. People put it on pizza, baked potatoes, fries, burgers, pasta, chicken strips. I have even seen people put it on a grilled cheese. It's just not for me. :crazy2:

I love it with chicken strips and fries. But then, I hate ketchup so most people want to disown me.
 
I just realized that Elf was a horror movie:
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For the win!
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Please quit feeding the troll. Why do I have this mental picture of HappyTogether being some 18 year old shut-in guzzling Mountain Dew laughing his rear off?

You're accusing the OP of being a troll AND consuming toxic sugar? Bully.
 
Make sure you have a big tall glass of whole cows milk with it! I'd say make it chocolate but some cookies don't go well with chocolate milk!

I can't eat chocolate =( It makes me ill.

I do have peanut butter cookies and whole milk though!

Bullying = not agreeing with the OP so there has been lots of it in this thread.

Pretty much. I have tried to have an educated discussion on this, but I seem to be talking to no one. The only responses I get are "Toxic Sugar", "Poison", and "Watch the documentary".

Several links to studies done were in fact posted in this thread.

You linked to the Daily Mail... and other media sources. Not the actual studies.

Oh wait, you did link to one but it has already been questioned. Which you also have not responded to.
 

Bullying is possibly one of the most overused words in society right now. I have yet to see any bullying on this thread. And as far as staying on topic goes, you can feel free to accept your role in the derailment. Many on here tried to engage in a discussion stating facts and studies. You refused to continue the discussion, post any links to studies done, and just told them they were wrong and that sugar was toxic. It was difficult to impossible to stay on topic when you refused to carry your end of the conversation. If you would post some other proof to back up your position, it would go a long way to get this topic back on track.

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OP, in addition to refusing to post any links to research until quite recently (long after the thread derailed) and then refusing to discuss what might be wrong with the handful of things you did post, you refused to answer questions about what things other than actual beet or cane sugar and HFCS you consider to be sugar in your statements, ignored questions about when you changed your diet and if you tried a less extreme change first and saw any health benefits from that, etc.

You really have made it impossible to have an on topic conversation with you. It's too bad; I like discussing the various factors that are contributing to our current health and weight issues in the US and what we could possibly do about them.
 
Amen. My husband and I argue over whether a jelly donut is better glazed or with powdered sugar. I am on Team Powdered Sugar. :cheer2:

My grandparents owned a bakery when we were growing up. My dads favorite way to eat donuts is to start with a glazed and then eat a cake donut to cut the sweet taste!
 
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From Saturday's Wall Street Journal...a good example of why many of us are skeptical of any 'new' truths in nutrition.

Excerpts:
The Questionable Link Between Saturated Fat and Heart Disease
Are butter, cheese and steak really bad for you? The dubious science behind the anti-fat crusade

"Saturated fat does not cause heart disease"—or so concluded a big study published in March in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine. How could this be? The very cornerstone of dietary advice for generations has been that the saturated fats in butter, cheese and red meat should be avoided because they clog our arteries. For many diet-conscious Americans, it is simply second nature to opt for chicken over sirloin, canola oil over butter.

The new study's conclusion shouldn't surprise anyone familiar with modern nutritional science, however. The fact is, there has never been solid evidence for the idea that these fats cause disease. We only believe this to be the case because nutrition policy has been derailed over the past half-century by a mixture of personal ambition, bad science, politics and bias.

Our distrust of saturated fat can be traced back to the 1950s, to a man named Ancel Benjamin Keys, a scientist at the University of Minnesota. Dr. Keys was formidably persuasive and, through sheer force of will, rose to the top of the nutrition world—even gracing the cover of Time magazine—for relentlessly championing the idea that saturated fats raise cholesterol and, as a result, cause heart attacks.

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Critics have pointed out that Dr. Keys violated several basic scientific norms in his study. For one, he didn't choose countries randomly but instead selected only those likely to prove his beliefs, including Yugoslavia, Finland and Italy. Excluded were France, land of the famously healthy omelet eater, as well as other countries where people consumed a lot of fat yet didn't suffer from high rates of heart disease, such as Switzerland, Sweden and West Germany. The study's star subjects—upon whom much of our current understanding of the Mediterranean diet is based—were peasants from Crete, islanders who tilled their fields well into old age and who appeared to eat very little meat or cheese.

As it turns out, Dr. Keys visited Crete during an unrepresentative period of extreme hardship after World War II. Furthermore, he made the mistake of measuring the islanders' diet partly during Lent, when they were forgoing meat and cheese. Dr. Keys therefore undercounted their consumption of saturated fat.

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Cutting back on saturated fat has had especially harmful consequences for women, who, due to hormonal differences, contract heart disease later in life and in a way that is distinct from men. If anything, high total cholesterol levels in women over 50 were found early on to be associated with longer life. This counterintuitive result was first discovered by the famous Framingham study on heart-disease risk factors in 1971 and has since been confirmed by other research.

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Seeing the U.S. population grow sicker and fatter while adhering to official dietary guidelines has put nutrition authorities in an awkward position. Recently, the response of many researchers has been to blame "Big Food" for bombarding Americans with sugar-laden products. No doubt these are bad for us, but it is also fair to say that the food industry has simply been responding to the dietary guidelines issued by the AHA and USDA, which have encouraged high-carbohydrate diets and until quite recently said next to nothing about the need to limit sugar.
 
I can truthfully say that WE HAVE BEEN WARNED! Now if you'll excuse me there is a Hershey Bar with my name on it in the kitchen. Ta Ta... perhaps forever! :)
 
Just found this thread, but I guess this wouldn't be a good time to tell you how much sugar I purposely put in my homemade strawberry cobbler today, is it?
 
I asked you questions about it, you never answered. I posted a study, you never answered. I guess I'm on ignore, but some people were trying to have a conversation with you about it, but you don't want to have a conversation.
 
It is kind of hard when 80% of the processed foods in America contain the toxic poison that is sugar.

When 1/3 of the country will suffer from diabetes by 2050, I am concerned now as it will be my child having to be saddled with the health care of these people. When this is the first generation of children not expected to outlive their parents, it does deserve people to be shouting the alarm of the toxic and poisonous effects of sugar.

Ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? That's the reaction this sort of shouting based on junk science provokes. Not change, but desensitization and an unwillingness to listen to educated and sensible voices because the whole "anti-sugar" side becomes associated with the whackadoos.

This is a myth. It is EASIER to make the processed foods. It is actually quite cheap to eat healthy, you just have to actually take the time to buy and make the foods. Most would rather open a bag of Tyson chicken nuggets and throw that into the oven or heat up a Swansen's lasagna. You can feed your family healthy foods that cost much less per serving. You just have to be willing to put in more than 10 minutes to prepare the meal.

But there is truth to the saying "Time is money." Avoiding processed foods takes time and it is dismissive to characterize the demand for processed foods as an unwillingness to put more than 10 minutes into preparing a meal.

The fact is, most American families face huge demands on their time. Employees are expected to work more hours and shoulder more work-related duties on their own time than they have in several generations. Kids have more homework than ever before. Extracurriculars, volunteering, and other community involvement are increasingly important to college admissions and scholarships. And fewer teens are driving thanks to graduated licensing and economic forces that make insuring a teen driver an unaffordable luxury for many. It isn't as simple as suggesting that people should be cooking their foods from scratch, particularly when it comes to condiments and childhood staples like applesauce and jam/jelly that are very time- and labor-intensive to make at home.

All of that is true but selective. For example, meat prices are destroying my food budget and since I limit carbs stretching meat items through casseroles doesn't work. However I do agree that veggies and fruit aren't as expensive as some people make them out to be.

:thumbsup2 Meat is a biggie - the cheap meats are fattier and many do have added sweeteners (hot dogs, chicken nuggets/patties, brats). There's really no way that I've found to get around the higher cost of eating good meat other than eating less of it, and the trade-off there is often more starchy fillers like potatoes and rice.
 
As someone who does make most things from scratch (pasta, some breads, and others are bought at local bakeries that make their fresh daily) sauces, etc, I do not think it is cheaper, and I do think it tends to cost more than buying inexpeisnve processed items (though not considerably so, maybe 10% but for some that 10% is not possible).

Additionally, as Collen points out, not everyone has the time. The poorest working families have the least time to spend. and not everyone has a large freezer (the space for one, the actual unit and the electricity all cost money) to stock up on frozen veggies, meats that go on sale, etc. I just have my little bitty European fridge and freezer myself.

Some people also lack the funds to stock up when there is a sale, or buy the needed items to start making their own things (a supply of canning jars for example).

Some areas lack access to a real grocery store that carries such basics as fresh fruits and vegetables (try finding that in downtown Detroit--or getting out to an area that carries them without a car, then toting it all back).

Add in a lack of education both on nutrition and on skill building in HOW to make your own, or cook even sort of from scratch, or garden or can, etc and it can be very hard for people to change.
 
Amen. My husband and I argue over whether a jelly donut is better glazed or with powdered sugar. I am on Team Powdered Sugar. :cheer2:

I would argue that the jelly donut without sugar contains hidden sugar (in the form of jelly) inside it! Better to have truth in advertising with the sugar clearly visible on the outside.

I asked you questions about it, you never answered. I posted a study, you never answered. I guess I'm on ignore, but some people were trying to have a conversation with you about it, but you don't want to have a conversation.

I see you. :wave2:

The OP has obviously not posted to generate discussion, but to wag a lecturing finger at sugar-eaters. Unfortunately, common sense and science has no place in her world. But I'm guessing I'm on ignore by now as well. :rolleyes:
 
I would argue that the jelly donut without sugar contains hidden sugar (in the form of jelly) inside it! Better to have truth in advertising with the sugar clearly visible on the outside.



I see you. :wave2:

The OP has obviously not posted to generate discussion, but to wag a lecturing finger at sugar-eaters. Unfortunately, common sense and science has no place in her world. But I'm guessing I'm on ignore by now as well. :rolleyes:

I assume most everybody in this thread has been ignored.
 
The OP has obviously not posted to generate discussion, but to wag a lecturing finger at sugar-eaters.

Yep. That.

But since she just "detoxed" a couple weeks ago, I wonder if she wagged her finger at herself before that?
 
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