Fed-up Documentary!!!

[skylizard]

Were you looking for this:

Gah! I was just about to post that same image!

 

[JennaDeeDooDah]

it's funny that you mention frozen lasagna b/c that's what immediately came to mind when I read the post you quoted.

when I was employed/commuting 60+ hours per week my co-workers always knew that on Mondays when we talked about what we had done over the weekend that mine included cooking 'batches'. it might have been several lasagnas, trays of enchiladas, 'chicken nuggets', and not too infrequently a whole roast or turkey. they contended that between the time I spent doing the cooking and the ingredients there was no way I was getting off less expensively than purchasing a similar pre-packaged/prepared item.

I knew this wasn't the case and they finally accepted it when we did a side by side cost comparison. it was an eye opener for them, but it was for me as well-I certainly didn't realize that so many people had no clue of how easy it was to make homemade versions of the foods they/their families enjoyed. it was interesting how many chose to give companies like 'dream dinners' a go when they opened in that area a year or so later, and once they felt comfortable with the concept they were more likely to do it.

And I'm willing to bet that your foods tasted better, too.

 

[Metsfan520]

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/17/usda-healthy-food-isnt-really-more-expensive/

http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Ma...xpensive-Not-necessarily-say-USDA-researchers

http://www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/food-exercise-mythbuster.aspx

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9762466/Mythbusting-the-cost-of-healthy-eating

Fact is, it can be more expensive to eat the healthy stuff, if you aren't aware of how to do it right. Buy stuff that is in season. Buy frozen instead of fresh fruits and vegetables. The nutrients are still there and, in fact, are often higher. Put in a little effort and you can eat healthy for just as inexpensively or even less expensively than the unhealthy stuff.

thanks for proving that. Often, I find that frozen veggies are easy to use and inexpensive, and they taste better than some fresh. I stock up when they go on sale (as they often do) and we can always have a healthy side dish in minutes.

 

[Planogirl]

This thread is hilarious.

 

[Planogirl]

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/17/usda-healthy-food-isnt-really-more-expensive/

http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Ma...xpensive-Not-necessarily-say-USDA-researchers

http://www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/food-exercise-mythbuster.aspx

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9762466/Mythbusting-the-cost-of-healthy-eating

Fact is, it can be more expensive to eat the healthy stuff, if you aren't aware of how to do it right. Buy stuff that is in season. Buy frozen instead of fresh fruits and vegetables. The nutrients are still there and, in fact, are often higher. Put in a little effort and you can eat healthy for just as inexpensively or even less expensively than the unhealthy stuff.

All of that is true but selective. For example, meat prices are destroying my food budget and since I limit carbs stretching meat items through casseroles doesn't work. However I do agree that veggies and fruit aren't as expensive as some people make them out to be.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

This Marie Calendar's chicken pot pie is going to taste so much better after reading this thread.

 

[barkley]

All of that is true but selective. For example, meat prices are destroying my food budget and since I limit carbs stretching meat items through casseroles doesn't work. However I do agree that veggies and fruit aren't as expensive as some people make them out to be.

so much of it with fruit and veggies is watching what's seasonally available and on sale.

our issue with purchasing organic is the 'waste' factor. organic is HUGE where we live, and depending on what's in season you can get better deals on some organic produce BUT it has to be used IMMEDIATLY. there's no going to the store once a week. universally, the organic produce available to us goes bad very quickly-so where I like to have fresh items available for salads, snacks and meals, unless I'm willing to go out and purchase it every 2 days the cost when factoring in the percentage of how much of an item will end up getting tossed for spoilage is crazy (and I hate wasting food), add in the gas to change from shopping once per week to 3x and it's neither financially nor (imho) environmentally practical.

 

[sonnyjane]

The more I read, the more I think that HappyTogether is just a bot that generates the same response over and over.

 

[scoutie]

It is actually quite cheap to eat healthy, you just have to actually take the time to buy and make the foods

Yes. You have to search for what foods are in season, and shop smart. I just bought five cartons of raspberries for $5, since they're in season. We will eat some, and I'll freeze the rest.

I'm a "in moderation" person. I like sugar in my oatmeal and in my tea, and I like my chai lattes or treat each day. Sugar isn't evil, but generally, we consume too much, and the food industry is a part of that. If you have ever travelled to Europe, food is definitely less sweet.

 

[LilyWDW]

I don't know why I keep trying...

The biggest issue that I have with the "information" from this documentary and others is the "research" they use. There are a couple different issues with it:

1) Questionable sources such as the research being done by people who have a financial link to the outcome. So the people doing the research are people who want to find that "sugar is evil" so that they can sell movie tickets and books.

2) The N factor. Many of these studies use very small sample sizes.

3) The "it did this is rats" factors. Many of the studies are done on non-human subjects AND are based off of intakes that are grossly unproportionate to the rest of the diet. As such, it does not translate directly to what would have to an actual human.

4) The self reporting factor. Many of the studies usually used in the "sugar is toxic" argument are based off of self reporting of sugar intake vs. calorie intake. As such, there is a HUGE chance for error. Self reporting is one of the worse ways to gather data.

5) The correlation vs causation factor. Many of the studies (especially the self reporting ones) are done in scenarios where there are other confounders that can not be accounted for. Is it the sugar intake that causes obesity? Or is it the 10 other things we didn't control that caused it such as calorie intake? Most of the studies that I have found that say "sugar is toxic" have this problem. They don't take into account that there could be other reasons. They forget about the difference between correlation and causation.

I am not saying that over consumption of sugar (of any type) is a good thing. Moderation in everything is how I personally look at things. However, I take offense to the use of bad science that people are using to support their irrational claims of sugar being "toxic" or "poison". When they can actually give me studies that I can't find flaws in (such as the 5 above), then maybe I will take them more seriously.

Now, if you excuse me, I am going to go eat a home made cookie.

 

[deedeetoo]

Now, if you excuse me, I am going to go eat a home made cookie.

And I am going to eat a pre-packaged Thai Kitchen Rice Noodle Bowl. It has 4 grams of sugar according to the label. You probably won't hear from me again on this thread since I'm sure all that toxic sugar will kill me.

 

[EMAW_KSU]

I don't know why I keep trying...

The biggest issue that I have with the "information" from this documentary and others is the "research" they use. There are a couple different issues with it:

1) Questionable sources such as the research being done by people who have a financial link to the outcome. So the people doing the research are people who want to find that "sugar is evil" so that they can sell movie tickets and books.

2) The N factor. Many of these studies use very small sample sizes.

3) The "it did this is rats" factors. Many of the studies are done on non-human subjects AND are based off of intakes that are grossly unproportionate to the rest of the diet. As such, it does not translate directly to what would have to an actual human.

4) The self reporting factor. Many of the studies usually used in the "sugar is toxic" argument are based off of self reporting of sugar intake vs. calorie intake. As such, there is a HUGE chance for error. Self reporting is one of the worse ways to gather data.

5) The correlation vs causation factor. Many of the studies (especially the self reporting ones) are done in scenarios where there are other confounders that can not be accounted for. Is it the sugar intake that causes obesity? Or is it the 10 other things we didn't control that caused it such as calorie intake? Most of the studies that I have found that say "sugar is toxic" have this problem. They don't take into account that there could be other reasons. They forget about the difference between correlation and causation.

I am not saying that over consumption of sugar (of any type) is a good thing. Moderation in everything is how I personally look at things. However, I take offense to the use of bad science that people are using to support their irrational claims of sugar being "toxic" or "poison". When they can actually give me studies that I can't find flaws in (such as the 5 above), then maybe I will take them more seriously.

Now, if you excuse me, I am going to go eat a home made cookie.

Good post. Number 5 made me think of this

 

[Hannathy]

Now, if you excuse me, I am going to go eat a home made cookie.

Make sure you have a big tall glass of whole cows milk with it! I'd say make it chocolate but some cookies don't go well with chocolate milk!

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Make sure you have a big tall glass of whole cows milk with it! I'd say make it chocolate but some cookies don't go well with chocolate milk!

What cookies?

 

[JennaDeeDooDah]

I have a confession to make. I, JennaDeeDooDahh, do not like chocolate milk. Furthermore, I don't like whole milk. In fact, I prefer skim milk or nothing. Is there something seriously wrong with me? Do I need to see a specialist? Or is this something that can simply be overlooked/ignored?

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

I have a confession to make. I, JennaDeeDooDahh, do not like chocolate milk. Furthermore, I don't like whole milk. In fact, I prefer skim milk or nothing. Is there something seriously wrong with me? Do I need to see a specialist? Or is this something that can simply be overlooked/ignored?

You're pretty much an embarrassment to the human race.

 

[HappyTogether]

The movie was great. Watched again!

More evidence of the toxic effects of the poison to our bodies that is sugar.

https://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1693739

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodandd...t-poison-why-sugar-is-ruining-our-health.html

www.policymic.com/articles/88015/what-happens-to-your-brain-on-sugar-explained-by-science

People think because it is not rat poison, that using toxic or poison is somehow correct. It is in fact killing us. It is leading to a future where the CDC:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2984379/

Predicts 1 in 3 people will suffer from diabetes by 2050:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39798848/...dc-americans-will-have-diabetes/#.U3JEzCjpwXi

And we know what Diabetes can do...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-brain-two-years-decade-researchers-warn.html

So yes added sugar is toxic and a poison to all of us. I know to shop healthy I am spending more than I ever was weekly on that processed stuff. While I am "saving" by not going out to eat, I am spending more weekly on food for my family to eat healthy. I love the ignore button to keep from reading who cannot discuss this important issue in an adult manner.

 

[Hannathy]

I have a confession to make. I, JennaDeeDooDahh, do not like chocolate milk. Furthermore, I don't like whole milk. In fact, I prefer skim milk or nothing. Is there something seriously wrong with me? Do I need to see a specialist? Or is this something that can simply be overlooked/ignored?

well you are teetering on going over to the other side!

Just hurry on over here to the dark side with our cookies and you can have coffee or a coke with your cookies!

 

[JennaDeeDooDah]

You're pretty much an embarrassment to the human race.

The whole human race? This is no good. This will never do. I was just coming to grips with being a disgrace to all Texans due to the fact that I don't like Ranch dressing. Now I have to accept being a disgrace to the whole human race. No. I won't do it. Pass the chocolate milk.

 

[sukhakuli]

It's best to skip milk altogether. It's loaded with toxic sugar.

Than again, there have been studies that show that people who have a reduced sugar intake perform poorly on academic tests compared to people who don't.
http://www.researchgate.net/publica...consumption_on_human_behavior_and_performance

Just one link, there's actually a lot of research about this out there. I am starting to believe this anti-sugar stuff is all a conspiracy to get us to stop eating sugar, thereby reduce our cognitive abilities, making us essentially biddable drones. Whatcha think?