Feb 8th Eastern Review & comparing DCL and RCCL

kajohn

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Disclaimer: This is a very long report, but there was so much I wanted to say, that I just couldn’t figure out where to cut back, so please bear with me when you read this!

A little background: Traveling, DH38, DS’s 5, 7 and 9 and myself. This was our children’s first cruise, and our first DCL cruise. My husband and I have been on 2 RCCL cruises, Voyager of the Seas on the Western itinerary and Radiance of the Seas to Alaska. We were very big fans of RCCL and a little leery of sailing a different line. I spent much time reading this board, in fact I was addicted the last few weeks! Also, please remember these are just my opinions and that other people’s opinions may vary!

We had a late flight on Friday, so we stayed Friday night at La Quinta near the airport, $26 per room on priceline. Rooms were fine. We had rented a minivan from Budget both to and from the port. They were about $20 cheaper each way than avis, and their service was great. We drove to the port the next morning, stopped and had breakfast and made a trip to Target near the port to buy sunscreen and sand toys. Got to the port around 10:45.

I’m not really good at remembering what we ate, or what we did each day, so I thought I would write this report based on my observations and comparing the trips between RCCL and DCL.


Boarding:
I felt the check-in process went fairly easily, the line was long to board, we joined the line at the opposite end of the terminal alongside the escalator. Once they started boarding the line moved fairly fast. I had heard a lot about how great it was for them to announce your name as you enter and they applaud. I was disappointed in this, they seemed so rushed, and there was one sorry cast member there applauding ever so often looking bored. Pretty hokey and just held up the boarding I thought.

The Ship:
Since our experience was with the new RCCL ships, both the mega 142,000 ton Voyager and the new Radiance of the Seas, my first impressions of the ship weren’t that great. I was used to vast open areas with 8 story or more atriums etc. so I felt the atrium was very small, only 3 stories, and the ceilings in the dining rooms and Walt Disney theatre felt closed in. The Voyager dining room was 3 stories, and the Radiance 2, as well as the theatres on those ships had balconies, and took up two plus decks. I also felt there was better artwork in the stairwells hallways etc on RCCL ships. I love Disney so I did like looking at some of the pictures on the walls, but I enjoyed the different types of art and sculptures in the stairwells of RCCL ships.

However, as the week went on, we began to get used to the ship, and appreciate how it was reminiscent of old ocean liners.

Our cabin:

Since there were 5 of us, we had a category 4 stateroom, 8586, on the starboard side just aft of the aft elevators. I was very impressed by the double bathroom; it came in very handy with 5 people. The room was well laid out with plenty of storage. One of my few complaints was the TV being hard to see from the main bed in the room. When the kids went to sleep we wanted to watch TV from bed, and it was somewhat difficult to do, and you couldn’t watch it if you wanted to shut the curtain between the kids bed’s and the adults.

Also the balcony wasn’t able to be used at night when the kids were asleep because the 5th bed blocks the door to the balcony. There really isn’t any other way to lay the room out, but it is kind of a bummer.

The other problem is that every night or early morning, before daylight, they cleaned the deck above us and moved the tables around. I was the only one who heard this, but it was kind of annoying. However, since our only choice was deck 8; (I really like having a balcony, so I didn’t want two category 10 staterooms) so this probably happens in most category 8 staterooms.

I had read many posts on bringing air freshener for the bathroom, and never really understood why and since I never had a problem on other cruises I didn’t bring it. Well, I found out why, the smell in the bathroom with the toilet was terrible (it smelled like a sewer)! Since I was traveling with all boys, I had to dress in there, and let me tell you it wasn’t pleasant. So for all future cruisers bring air freshener!!

Another tip I read but didn’t follow was packing an extension cord. I really wish I had. The only plugs I could find were on the desk, and the 2 plugs were so closed together that I could only plug in one thing at a time, (everything I needed to plug in had big plugs, i.e. camera chargers, phone charger, gameboy charger etc.) It wasn’t until the 2nd to last day that I found another plug behind the TV!

Suitcase storage: We had 7 pieces of luggage and a car seat booster. Two of my suitcases were the super large suitcases soft sided, but with a frame that won’t collapse down. They are the maximum size that airlines will permit. We had no trouble fitting ALL luggage under the bed. The duffle bags and garment bag went into the big suitcases, and the large suitcases fit one under each side of the bed. We had to lift the beds up to slide them under but they fit. We stored out snorkeling gear out on the balcony behind the chair. My husband didn’t believe that I could get everything unpacked and put away, but I made it.

A hint I learned on these boards for packing was a great success. I packed all the boys clothes in gallon size ziplock bags with a shirt, shorts and a pair of underwear in each bag. I wrote their names on the outside. When it was time to get dressed, all I had to do was hand them a bag. What a time saver that was, and I had pushed the air out before I sealed them, so the clothes took up less space and they didn’t wrinkle. I will definitely do this on every vacation from now on!

Dining Rooms and Food:

We had the APLAPLA rotation, (exactly as predicted based on the chart!). The dining room was full of little ones! After a few days of dinner I understood why the rotation dining. With the amount of small children on DCL, if they had one big fancy multi story dining room the noise level would be awful. By having smaller dining rooms they can keep all the small ones together away from the rest of the population! The system works great!

We had Putu from Bali as our server and Passayu from Thailand as the assistant. Both were very good, but Passayu was the most friendly. They were very attentive wanting to make sure we felt everything was excellent, which Putu drove the point home the last day stressing at least 3 times the fact that they hoped that their service was excellent and they hoped we would say that on the survey. We did of course because we did think it was excellent, but I didn’t like being reminded of it so much.

I was not that impressed with the food, for some reason I had a hard time finding entrée’s I liked. That was never a problem on RCCL. I especially didn’t like the food on tropical night, if you don’t like Caribbean food, theirs not much else. However, my husband thought the food was great every night, and preferred the menus on DCL over RCCL.

The dress in the dining room wasn’t what I was expecting. On the RCCL ships, people follow the dress guidelines much more, and do dress formal for formal nights. On this trip I only saw one or two tuxes on formal night, and many people weren’t even dressed up at all. Our tablemates (we shared a table for 10 with another family of 5) didn’t follow the guidelines at all. The father wore a short sleeve shirt(not even a short sleeve dress shirt) on formal night and his (6 year old son) wore T-shirts and shorts most nights, and one or two nights he wore T-shirts and pants with sandals. I wasn’t offended and it didn’t make me feel uncomfortable, I just think it makes the night more special when everyone dresses up. (My boys looked adorable in their sport coats and ties, so that made me happy! I got the best picture of them that night)

Tropical night, I was expecting everyone to dress for that as well. Only about 25 percent of the dining room was wearing tropical clothes.

Animator’s Palate show – I think my expectations on this were too high, because I really didn’t think it was that great. This was my lease favorite restaurant in regards to décor, (but my favorite menu).

Food on Deck – I liked the breakfast in Topsiders, we ate there every morning. It started being self serve earlier than I had heard, either Tuesday or Wednesday. The food at Pluto’s and Pinocchio’s was great, much more variety easily available than on the Radiance

Room service - we never ordered sandwiches but we did order the cheese platter, (several times) which was to die for. When you sail definitely order it often! It is great to have when you are dressing for dinner, or later at night if you get hungry.

Palo’s – We had brunch on Thursday. We went to Rockin Bar D after boarding around 1:00 and got our first choice of dinner and brunch, however, we ended up canceling dinner. It was very good, the smoked salmon was the best I had ever eaten, but I didn’t really like the crab legs, (prefer them warm), although they sure made it easy to eat, (already split open). Gabriella was our server, she was very informative, but we prefer to be left alone once we know what we’re doing, buffet wise, so we didn’t like her hovering around too much, which she figured out.

Crew Members – I thought the crew members were about the same as on RCCL, both were excellent, friendly and helpful. No complaints from either line. I think the service is the best part of cruising, when you are a stay at home mom, the pampering is the best part!

Shows – Disney Dreams was my favorite and Hercules the Muse-ical was my husband’s and DS9’s favorite. I had heard a lot about Disney Dreams and was hoping I wouldn’t be disappointed, and I wasn’t! I found myself teary-eyed watching it, not believing that I was finally there seeing it!

The production quality of the shows was definitely better than RCCL. Most of their shows are entertainers, which I enjoyed, but nothing beats a Disney themed production show. That being said, the quality of the production of Morty the Magician was good, but I found the storyline to be a bore, and finally left after 25 minutes or so. Definitely would not see that one again or recommend it to someone else.

Who Wants to be a Mouseketeer? Show – I had read on the board that if you want a better chance of being a contestant, pick a row where no one is sitting. I didn’t tell this to my husband, because I didn’t think he would want to go on stage, so I just had us daly in the store until right before the show started, and sat in row U (about the 5th row from the back.) on the right side along the isle. No one was sitting in that row, except way at the far left. Well, it was time for the second contestant to be picked, and the computer flashed row U, up ran the cast member to our isle, and then the seat number was 7 or something. No one was there, so they went back up the seat numbers to my husband!!! He wasn’t thrilled of course, but what could he do, everyone was staring at him! So he went up there with my DS9. (Thank goodness the other two boys were in the club, I would have hated for him to choose who got to go on stage!). They did good, but got a really tough question at the $125 mark, “What is the first Disney film Tim Rice did the lyrics for?” They used the “ask the panel” and the 50/50 but still guessed the wrong answer. They ended up winning $80 stateroom credit! It was great fun, and free money for souvenirs is nothing to sneeze at! By the way the correct answer was Aladdin.

Kids Clubs – My kids really liked the clubs, I had two in the 5-7 group and one in the 8-9 group. We went on this cruise with the attitude that this trip was for the kids so the only time we asked them to go to the club at a certain time was when we went to Palo’s brunch on Thursday. All other times they went to the club only when they wanted to go.

They went to the club usually for an activity in the morning, sometimes again in the afternoon, and then after dinner. The only day they didn’t go was St. Thomas day, which was when they showed the movie Treasure Planet in the Disney Theatre.

DS9 liked going to the activities, i.e. flubber making, building the soap car, etc. He would sign himself in for those activities and then sign himself out and meet us when it was over. He liked to go to the shows with us after dinner, then go to the activity around 9:30 or so and be done by about 11:00 most nights.

DS’s 5 and 7 liked going to the movie theatre and activities as well. They felt the free time in the club was kind of boring, but really liked the free time when they were taken to the lab. There was much more to do there.

None of the kids liked to eat with the club. DS9 ate lunch the first day, said it was ok, but preferred to eat with us. (He has an appetite like an adult and enjoyed eating all the fancy foods in the dining room). DS’s 5 and 7 ate lunch twice with the club, once by choice and the second when we ate a Palo’s. They only did it the second time, by us promising to take them to eat again right after we picked them up. My DS7 did not like the fact that they filled their plate and didn’t give them a choice. They all loved eating dinner with us so much that I would never have considered forcing them to miss a dinner so we could eat a Palo’s. We had reservations for Thursday night, but cancelled so we could eat with them.

The counselors were GREAT with the kids, my DS9 really bonded with a few, and my other two liked theirs as well. My only complaint was the sign in system for the 5-7 year olds. Very long lines to check in, seemed there system could be improved some way. My kids would get very frustrated if they had to wait for very long. This was not a problem with the 8-9 year olds because there were fewer kids in that group and many signed themselves in and out.

The program says no signing in the 15 minutes while they are moving from one activity to another, which makes sense, but it was really like 20-25 minutes. I waited in line at the club starting at 9:30am for an activity that was to be at the sports deck at 10:00 am. When I was almost to the front of the line around 9:37 or so, I was told, no more signing in at the club, I must now wait and take him at 10:00 am to the sports deck. Needless to say, my DS5 was not happy, his brother had signed in earlier with his dad, because he had finished breakfast faster. We then went straight to the sports deck and waited until 10, so that we were the first to sign in and he wouldn’t miss the activity.

Another time I tried to sign him in at the start of a movie in the theatre, and the counselors were more interested in joking with each other than signing in the line of kids waiting. (I had signed him in earlier at the club, to avoid doing it at the theatre, but unfortunately he had a bit of an accident (not used to wearing a belt) right before the move to the movie and I had to go pick him up and change him, and then return him to the theatre right when the movie was starting.)

Overall, though, the kids club was an excellent program, top notch!!!

Oh, and do not miss the kids show at the end. You have to leave Castaway Cay a little early, the kids have to check in by 4:00 pm, but if they participate they get a free shirt, and it was absolutely adorable. Needless to say, I had tears then as well!

Ports – St. Maarten We took the water taxi to the beach, rented two loungers and umbrella for $10 and relaxed with the kids all day. Shopped for a few minutes, then returned to the ship around 4:00pm. There were lots of women selling stuff and braiding hair on the beach, but all it took was a quick polite no thank you and they moved on. Very friendly polite people.

St. Thomas we had reserved a car from Budget, picked that up, stopped at a grocery store bought pop and chips, and drove to Megan’s Bay. Rented two chairs, $4 each, and a float $6 plus a $20 deposit for all and had a very wonderful day. Had to be the prettiest water I had ever seen. No surf at all, just gorgeous sand and blue water. The food however was very expensive, hamburgers were approx. $7.00 apiece. They were very good, but cost a lot. Next time I will take the time to bring sandwiches from the ship.

Castaway Cay – Gorgeous!! Husband and DS7 waited near the gangway and were one of the first off the ship. They ran, (did not take the tram) all the way to the beach and snagged a hammock and two lounges and umbrella right in front of the kids climbing thing in the middle of the water. I followed shortly thereafter leisurely taking the tram with the rest of the kids and stuff. The beach filled up quickly, but the further down you went the less crowded it was, so for people getting off the ship late, if they went down far enough there were still loungers and umbrella’s available for everyone.

The air temp in the Bahamas is cooler than the Caribbean, it was only in the lower 70’s and the water temp was cold. We did venture in, but not as much as St. Maarten and St. Thomas. Lunch was delicious, and the service was excellent. The whole place was so perfect that it almost felt fake, but thankfully was not!! The only bad part of Castaway Cay was knowing I had to go back to the ship to pack.

Money – we were trying to spend as little as possible but still have a good time. Our shipboard account was about $1000 for the week which included $450 for tips, $40 for brunch and $120 for bingo (my husband’s weakness). The rest was spent on souvenirs, a few cocktails, and $80 for pictures. This was the least we had ever spent on a cruise, and there were 3 more of us than usual so I felt we did very very good, and I never felt like I was missing something.

Debarkation - went smoother than any other ship, DCL has a very great system. They are telling people at the debarkation talk that the porters do not work for DCL and that it is customary to tip $1.50 per bag if you use them. I don’t know if this is new, but I figured it was in response to the threads about the porters and the fact that they are handing out flyers to people as they arrive at port about them being non union, or something (I didn’t read it very carefully, and I tipped both ways).
Sickness – This had been my biggest concern when planning this trip. I worried and worried, but thankfully we didn’t see one sick person the whole week. Although we were careful and washed our hands frequently, we still swam in the Mickey pool, spent time in the kids clubs and we ate off the buffet, and thankfully we had wonderful week with no illness at all!

I know this has been a long report, and I hope there are a few who were able to make it through the whole thing! I learned so much from these boards and so much of the information helped us have a wonderful wonderful time! I hope by writing this, I can repay that help by helping someone else.

At the end of the trip we asked our kids if they preferred the cruise to a week at WDW and they all said yes! They are definitely hooked on cruising. We would like to go again next year, but are leaning toward trying an RCCL voyager class ship next. I think the kids will really like the rock climbing wall, putt putt course and the ice skating rink (that show is amazing!). Although we will miss Mickey, I felt the two lines were very comparable, and would like to take the kids on a new adventure.

If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask, I would love to help, now that I have first hand experience!
 
Thanks so much for the well written, informative report. We love RCCL as well and with an active family it's hard to beat all the sports choices available on the Voyager, etc. One question I had though about the kids clubs- we have a DD8 and don't feel comfy with the idea of her checking herself out when we are busy at the spa or late night or whatever, but if we choose the option of us signing her out does that mean we have to sign her in too, or can we just have her go sign in. Thanks
 
GMS,

As far as I know it is all or nothing. My 9 year old's tag first said 8-9 N which meant he couldn't sign himself in/out. We then had it changed to 8-9 Y which meant he could sign in and out.

He is almost 10, and very mature, so we felt comfortable. However, he chose only to go to the lab for specific activities, with the understanding of when he would return. He was always to go directly back to our cabin, and if we weren't there he should wait for us, like in the evening if we were still picking up his brothers.


If you don't give her signing privledges, (which I probably wouldn't to most 8 year olds), the sign in and out wasn't as bad for that age group.

Good luck!
 
Thank you so much for writing your report. It is always great to see things from different peoples perspectives and with yours we had the added bonus of comparing two lines.

Sounds like you had a great trip.
 

Thanks so much for writing your great trip report!! I was surprised at how many people did not dress up for formal or tropical nights on your cruise.

We have sailed DCL 7 times and I would say the percentage of people dressed for formal night was 99% each time and about 95% for tropical night!!!!

That really surprises me!!! Maybe it was more of a casual crowd the week you were on, who knows.

Glad you had a great cruise and thanks for sharing your adventures!!!

MJ
 
mmouse37

The only thing I can think of for the difference in the dress is the rotation and seating we were on. We had early seating with APLAPLA rotation. Every table I saw had small children. Maybe there is a much higher percentage of people who travel with small children who don't bother with the dress code.

As for our tablemates dressing, they were on their first cruise, and I don't believe they really understood the whole cruise concept. With the exception of the wife saying hello and how was your day each night, she didn't speak to us, and the husband never said a word to us in 7 days. Their kids 2, 5 and 6 approx, wouldn't go to the kids club, and they never even got in the pool till Thursday. I'd say they weren't your tipical cruise family! Luckily it was an oblong table so we sat 3 across from 2, and they sat at the opposite end, so it wasn't too akward, it just gave us more time to interact with our kids.
 
My wife & I have had the opportunity to take (3) (7-day) cruises during the past (18) months:

9/2001 - Grand Princess (Western Caribbean)
3/2002 - Explorer of the Seas / Royal Caribbean (Eastern Caribbean)
2/2003 - Disney Magic (Eastern Caribbean)

We are working professionals in our mid-forties with no children.

I would rate my personal cruise experience in this order:

1) RCI, 2) Princess, 3) Disney

My wife's preference was:

1) Princess, 2) RCI, 3) Disney

We had an outside stateroom with balcony on each cruise. All three cruises made the standard East/West Caribbean ports of call, and each had the "beach day" at their respective "private islands."

Of the (3) ships, I would term RCI as spectacular, and Princess superior to Disney.

I felt the food was best on RCI and the entertainment & service was best on Princess. Princess had an excellent cruise staff. Disney excels with its programs for children and caters to young families. Their food & entertainment is targeted toward this audience.

I feel that both Princess & RCI provide a cruise experience superior to Disney, and for less money. I am a DVC member and was able to take the cruise using my vacation points. If I had paid cash I would have been disappointed with the value this cruise provided to me.

Although I preferred Princess & RCI to Disney... I also enjoyed my cruise aboard the Magic and would recommend it to families with children.
 
Great trip report! Thank you for comparing the two lines. We also have sailed the Voyager class (Voyager ship) and the Disney ships (both). We are planning to take the Radiance to Alaska in July or August and I would love your input on it. As in: is July a good time to go, what over all was better on Radiance as opposed to any other ship, did you take the kids...did they like it?, anything an everything about it, I guess..LOl
Pm me if you like.

Thx

Lisa
 
Great report. I recently sailed with RCCL for the 1st time after 3 times with DCL. Your item by item comparison was almost the same as mine. I had several people tell me RCCL staff weren't on the same level as DCL, but ours were all great. DCL does make a better cheese platter and we prefered the Disney breakfast buffet, but on the whole thought food was better on RCCL.
Anyway, I really enjoyed your report.
 
Kajohn,
Thanks for the great report! My boys (15 and 11) love DCL and we are going on our second cruise in a week and a half. They have been saying that they would really like to try the RCCL Voyageur next time though, because of the different activities. Have you ever been on RCCL with your boys? On DCL we all fit into the same room and have a bit of privacy because of the curtain and the split bathroom. The only picture I have seen of RCCL with a room that sleeps more than 2 has a bed that folds down out of the wall above the queen bed. Are there any rooms aboard the Voyageur that we could share, or would you recommend adjoining rooms? (which might be more expensive than Disney, my DH's chief concern!) Thanks for any advice you may have!
 
mbaidacoff,

I haven't taken my boys yet on an RCCL cruise, we are planning one for 2/05. If you get a brochure for RCCL it will tell you which rooms have beds for 3 and 4 passengers.

The newer ships, The Voyager class: Voyager of the Seas, Explorer of the Seas, Adventure .., Navigator.. and the new Mariner.. are the ships with the rock wall, ice skating rink, 4 story "mall" through the center of the ship etc.

and the Radiance class: which are the Radiance of the Seas, Brilliance of the seas, and Serenade of the seas are comparable in size to the Magic, but have the rock climbing wall, mini golf, but no "mall" or ice skating rink.

Both of these types of ships will have bigger cabins than their older ships. I believe some have sofa beds, which sleep 2, and some have upper berths. A travel agent could probably help you decide on a cabin.

The bathrooms are small, and they do not have split baths.

The prices are usually much cheaper than on DCL, so you may want to look into ajoining cabins, which will give you 2 bathrooms. With 5 that is what we have to do, but it will still be cheaper than the category 4 on DCL, even on a holiday week.

If you want to compare cabin size etc here is a great website: http://www.cruisestateroom.com/

Hope this helps, if you have any other questions, I'd be happy to help.
 
I've never realized that a family of 5 had to pay so much for tipping! I know you said you spent less on this cruise than your others but do you feel like this is a little excessive or do you think it was worth it? I guess what threw me off is the tip $ was half your bill!!! Please don't think I'm cheap!
 
Kelly,

I know $450 sounds like a lot, but if you break it down per person it really isn't. The recommended amount is approximately $75 per person, which is $375. We felt the service was excellent and deserved a greater tip, so we tiped approximately $90 per person instead. When you have a family of five, things add up quick!

As for being worth it, I would say yes, as a one time thing.

This was the last year that we could take my stepson out of school for a vacation, so our next trip must be duing a school holiday and DCL jacks their prices up much more than RCCL does on those weeks.

We were going to try to go next year over president's week and a cruise on the Magic was almost $4000 more than on the brand new Mariner of the Seas. No way could I justify that! And I think the mega ships of RCCL have much more to do as a family when the kids aren't in the clubs, i.e. miniature golf, rock climbing and ice skating etc.
 
I have to agree with your report, I got off the ship this past Saturday (3/15) and we were saddened by the lack of folks dressing up on the Formal and Semi Formal Nights. My husband and I ate at Palo and had a excellant meal, they really gave us the royal treatment and gave us a variety of foods from the menu. Regarding the bathroom odor, I have to let you know, I had no problem this time. We traveled DCL some 13 months ago and I remember the smell-UCK. On our last travels it did improve.
My family is Disney nutz, I must admit and hearing that other Cruiselines offer similiar experiences and fun is encouraging, may be someday we'll bite the bullet and explore other options. At this point though, we are DISNEY LOYAL!!! Thanks for your posting and sharing. :):earsgirl:
 
kajohn,

Thanks for the great trip report. It had a lot of great tips in there. I am taking my first DCL cruise 10/11 Magic with my DH, dd's 9 & 7. We are all very excited. I am only concerned about two things. My dh is a wonderful man BUT he hates dressing up. He owns one sportcoat and I think 2 ties. He is very hot natured and sweats A LOT. So, he is very uncomfortable in suits or anything besides polo type shirts. I don't know how I am going to get him to wear something nice for the dinners! I, on the other hand ran into some great sales on nice dresses for me and I am all set. The other thing I am concerned about is.....the tipping. As you are aware, DCL is a very expensive trip without the tipping. It took me two years to talk him into this trip. If he finds out how much you are suppose to tip....he is going to freak! I really don't know what I am going to do about that yet either.

Again........thanks for the great trip report.....I am going to pack an extension cord!!!

Hope :Pinkbounc
 
Hi Hope - I was concerned about the tipping as well and we only budgeted the recommended amount. Normally, we are fairly generous tippers when we receive decent service, but due to the price of the cruise felt that would be sufficient. BUT, then we met the greatest people ever, who were our servers, etc. Both my DH and I felt very strongly toward the end of the week that they all deserved a much larger tip than was recommended. If you receive incredible service like we did, I'm sure that your DH will not have a problem tipping at least the recommended amount. Plus, if you factor in what you would pay tipping three meals per day, having your room cleaned twice per day, etc., it is really not that much...
 


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