Fastpass + seems to be ruining many posters trips to WDW.

Personally, I'm expecting them to bring all the attractions to me. It's only fair.

I can't make it to WDW this year (OK, it's because I'm going to DLR, but don't tell anyone)..... so I think it's only fair that they bring the attractions to Missouri for me.:)

Oh.... and it's 12 degrees here this morning. I need them to put them all indoors. :)
 
We just returned from WDW, and we liked FP+. We have not been able to ride TSMM since 2008! We are a RD family, but do not enjoy the running of the bulls, and other antics that go on with TSMM. We did ride TSMM one time this year, and it was great. Thanks Disney! :thumbsup2


We are another family who has been multiple times at different times of year and have never had a problem getting on TSMM at rope drop. We either got a FP and for us this is usually a half day prak so there were always before 2pmish, or got in line and never waited more than 30 minutes or we did both

News flash: there are plenty of people who think this does make for a better experience.

So you won't be able to pull 9-10 FPs a day. So if you want to ride Space Mountain more than once you have to get in the standby line. Get over it.

Disney is working to make FPs a better experience for the AVERAGE guest. Given the indignation I read on these boards by some who think they have authority to make and enforce rules about everything from line cutting to concierge access, you would think there would be more acceptance of a more equitable system---and yes it is more equitable. Everyone has to choose from the same FP pool with the same limitations.

Limiting the number of FPs means more people can obtain them. It also means there should be plenty available same day once FP- is retired and the system opened to all. The capacity is not changing just the distribution method.

What I think is bothering some people is the fact this makes FPs easier to obtain and use. People who have balked in the past at criss-crossing parks and rope drop dashes now have the opportunity to get FPs too.

I dont get this at all!!! Why should I get over it???? I guess it is all about perspective but I dont see anything FAIR about this new system at all. At its current state, it is not fair to offsite, APs and locals. It is not fair to Pop guests.

The old system was more than FAIR, from the time the park gates at say 9am until it closed, EVERY GUEST, had the opportunity to pull FPs, every singles one, no matter who they were or where they were staying, from the family in the suite at GF, to the family at ASSports, the campers at Fort Wilderness, to the family staying at Bonnet Creek, to the local family who drove in from Tampa for the day...every one was on the same playing field from the minute they walked in those gates, some people just CHOSE to do that later in the day.
 
I can't make it to WDW this year (OK, it's because I'm going to DLR, but don't tell anyone)..... so I think it's only fair that they bring the attractions to Missouri for me.:)

Oh.... and it's 12 degrees here this morning. I need them to put them all indoors. :)

While where getting way off subject.

Wouldn't it be nice if Disney actually made a bubble over Disney to control the weather no more rainy days, temp control. Why can't they just stay open 24/7 just like walmart.
 

Instead of saying welcome home how about "just get over it"

I really like wrist bands can't they just re fit fp- machines. Why add all the craziness of fp+.

Emh being cut doesn't make me want to stay at a resort.

Standing in long lines will make me less likely to walk around and shop.

Whole list of why not do it this way.

Well that's at least what I told the Disney surveys, who knows what they do with info.
 
Sounds awesome! As an early riser, it's usually hard for me to catch these late shows, and this sounds like the perfect......and fair....... answer. :duck:

Yes, for us too. :rotfl: My kids are awake at 6 a.m. on vacations. They've never made it to Illuminations. We only made it to Fantasmic once. Youngest DD has not yet stayed awake through Wishes, which we only stay for once each trip because I insist (one year, our traveling companions wanted to leave our prime spot and watch Wishes as we walked out).

Sure, the experiences might be better for everyone at night, but it would be more fair, right?
 
We are another family who has been multiple times at different times of year and have never had a problem getting on TSMM at rope drop. We either got a FP and for us this is usually a half day prak so there were always before 2pmish, or got in line and never waited more than 30 minutes or we did both

Last trip, we went to DHS on Jan 2. Thanks to disboards, we knew it had started opening before the official time and arrived by 8:15 am. Only one child was not already awaking and bouncing off the walls at 6 a.m. anyway.

When the gates opened, DH walked calmly to TSMM and pulled FP. I wandered there with three slow-walking children. We all rode standby with a twenty minute wait. Our FP time was before DH and DS left the park at noon to watch a bowl game. [sigh]
 
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I think we have an early front-runner for Disney's next marketing catch phrase:

Walt Disney World: Get Over It
 
I think we have an early front-runner for Disney's next marketing catch phrase:

Walt Disney World: Get Over It

:thumbsup2

I think you may have come up with one of the best ideas in awhile for a new thread - "Best New Slogan for WDW".
 
Actually, I think FP+ DOES benefit the average guest. I don't think it benefits the Super Tourer, which a large portion of Dis'ers tend to be.

I don't think FP+ will be more limited than FP-. Capacity is capacity. Your ability to get that FP+ may change as the distribution changes. What I think we'll find as FP+ fully rolls out, is that some people will have trouble booking FP. Like ADRs. I think some attractions, like some restaurants, will be a "you snooze, you lose" situation with the small caveat that a percentage of FP+ will be held back and released morning of for day guests. The resort benefit will be at 60 days +10 you'll very likely to able to book whatever FP+ you want where as day guests will have less options and availability.

This may reduce the capacity of Super Tourers in the park as the system doesn't directly benefit them anymore. If reading the Dis means anything, there will be Super Tourers who won't go as frequently with the system changes. I'm betting there is a lower ROI for Disney on these type of guests, so it's not a total loss for Disney if they come less.
 
wow-- I didn't know it was ok to call people nazzi's for their opinions on a message board. this thread is out of control.
 
It seems I got number 3 on my list: Flamed for daring to disagree.

You want to imply I'm a communist (how very 1950's of you), go right ahead.

You want to not "get over it", knock yourself out.

I really don't care if you cancel trips, inundate Bob Iger's mailbox or spend hours here complaining.

We went, we used it, it worked well. No horror stories. We never waited longer than 20 min in a standby line during a very busy week. We rode Everest 4 times--only once with FP.

I'm done debating. This topic ceased being an intelligent conversation long ago.
 
Actually, I think FP+ DOES benefit the average guest. I don't think it benefits the Super Tourer, which a large portion of Dis'ers tend to be.

I don't think FP+ will be more limited than FP-. Capacity is capacity. Your ability to get that FP+ may change as the distribution changes. What I think we'll find as FP+ fully rolls out, is that some people will have trouble booking FP. Like ADRs. I think some attractions, like some restaurants, will be a "you snooze, you lose" situation with the small caveat that a percentage of FP+ will be held back and released morning of for day guests. The resort benefit will be at 60 days +10 you'll very likely to able to book whatever FP+ you want where as day guests will have less options and availability.

This may reduce the capacity of Super Tourers in the park as the system doesn't directly benefit them anymore. If reading the Dis means anything, there will be Super Tourers who won't go as frequently with the system changes. I'm betting there is a lower ROI for Disney on these type of guests, so it's not a total loss for Disney if they come less.

I do think FP+ will be limited, it is already tiered with only one real headliner as a choice. I hope I am wrong and it rolls out wide open.

I also think that most of those who go to the parks later during their vacations and lose out in regard to legacy FP- are some of the very same people who will not book FP+ early enough (60 days out) as that doesn't seem to be their style. By that I mean, those people just seem to go with the flow and not want to over schedule themselves. It seems they may still lose out when the system is full fledged.

And with the tiered choices, by booking early those who do like to arrive late only seem to be gaining the choice of their ONE favorite headliner. A slight improvement to maybe getting to the parks late and riding a different headliner due to availability.

Not sure I see a winner either way here for any guest with what we are seeing right now with FP+, as long lines seem to be in the future no matter how this pans out.
 
It seems I got number 3 on my list: Flamed for daring to disagree.

You want to imply I'm a communist (how very 1950's of you), go right ahead.

You want to not "get over it", knock yourself out.

I really don't care if you cancel trips, inundate Bob Iger's mailbox or spend hours here complaining.

We went, we used it, it worked well. No horror stories. We never waited longer than 20 min in a standby line during a very busy week. We rode Everest 4 times--only once with FP.

I'm done debating. This topic ceased being an intelligent conversation long ago.

You didn't just disagree in a civil fashion, you are telling people to get over it and that is simply rude". To me appeared that you seemed very angry because people are expressing their opinions that they don't like it.

Glad your trip worked well during this testing phase. What busy week did you go? Even with FP- during busy weeks we never managed to ride Everest 4 times (not unless that is all we pulled FP for all day). Part of this was due to it being down for periods of time (which happens every trip we take).
 
hi everyone
new to this forum. just want to say that when we were at wdw oct 27-30..we had a fantastic time! we stayed at wilderness lodge. we used fastpass +.
we used EMH and rode space mountain over and over until 1am!!!! we didnt even have to go back outside they just let us go in the back way.
I went online a week before and planned which park we would be in on which day and used fast pass+ and got ALL the rides we wanted and the times we wanted. The new system is FANTASIC. We never waited in a line once, for anything. And didnt even use the old fast pass kiosk even though we could. Even the stanby lines we used after we used our 3 fastpass+ were never more than 15 minutes. Ever. Anywhere. We did Everest over and over.
Ive been to WDW 6 times since 1979. I think the new system is excellent.
Also the dining system was great to. I was able to get most of the good times for ANY restaurant. And the ones I couldn't opened up day of!! just kept using the technology to check. We got Le Cellar day of a 7pm!! Any character dining we wanted day of and good times. They opened up the day before because people game the system and double book. With the credit card deposit coming online soon it should be even better.
Is it just me or are there grumpy over reacting visitors here!!??
We had a very magical time at WDW 2013!
Thanks and I welcome your comments.
 
News flash: there are plenty of people who think this does make for a better experience. So you won't be able to pull 9-10 FPs a day.

So if you want to ride Space Mountain more than once you have to get in the standby line. Get over it.

Disney is working to make FPs a better experience for the AVERAGE guest. Given the indignation I read on these boards by some who think they have authority to make and enforce rules about everything from line cutting to concierge access, you would think there would be more acceptance of a more equitable system---and yes it is more equitable.

Everyone has to choose from the same FP pool with the same limitations. Limiting the number of FPs means more people can obtain them. It also means there should be plenty available same day once FP- is retired and the system opened to all. The capacity is not changing just the distribution method.

What I think is bothering some people is the fact this makes FPs easier to obtain and use. People who have balked in the past at criss-crossing parks and rope drop dashes now have the opportunity to get FPs too.

See, I'm not sure it is improving the experience of the AVERAGE guest. I think it may be improving the experience of around 10% of the guests. I think that around 15-25% of the guests will have around the same experience, and 65-75% will have a diminished experience to varying degrees. Some only a little, some a lot.

I'm basing this on pretty much how the enforcement of end time windows seemed to impact guests.

We are not RD people. We weren't before MM+ and we won't be after. It does not mean FP+ is going to be all unicorns and rainbows. Yes, it means we are guaranteed 3 FPs, but I had ZERO problem getting 3 FP before, even when we hopped midday. And, guess what? Even though we frequently go during Thanksgiving week, we ALWAYS rode TSMM. Maybe only once, but we rode it via FP. As a matter of fact, we always were able to pull 4-8 FP per day. As non rd people. We never ran around the park grabbing FP after FP. No Criss crossing, coming back later and blah, blah, blah.

We are AVERAGE guests. No RD. No super touring plans. Those that never miss RD or have super touring plans are not average, it's why it works so well for them. Those that cross cross and grab FP after FP are not average. I don't think those that are happy to sit on the decreasing number of benches and people watch are average either. And we will now spend more time in lines, less time riding rides, less time watching shoes, less time seeing parades, etc, etc.

I'm not asking to ride TSMM 5 times via FP. Once is fine. I'm not asking to ride SM or BTMRR 10 times in a row. I do want to continue to have a FP for Soarin and TT each, at least once. That's the way it has always been done by these non-RD people and not doing so is a diminished experience. As a family, we've never had to get in a line standby longer than 20 minutes, and doing so now will diminish my experience. Increased standby lines because FP are limited will diminish my experience.

I've been going to WDW since 1976. The parks were less crowded, and the lines were long. A a kid, we never saw a parade because that is when we could do things. We never saw the fireworks because lines were shorter. We never saw as how because we were in line. My parents dragged us there at park opening and we stayed until closing. Great for my older siblings, but not so great for me or my little bro, who were tired and cranky. Even my parents say that my kids (when they've gone with us), have had a much better time.

There is a reason that Disney got rid of ticket books. This is just virtual ticket books. Disney is moving backwards. Long time fans talk about missing Mr Toads Wild Ride, Dreamfinder, training of CMs, maintenance workers, but not ticket books. NOT a better experience for the AVERAGE guest.

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