Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[Art 1]

My gosh! doconeill, do y'all live on this thread. Don't y'all have a life?

doconeill in 1st place with 189 posts.

KellyNY a distant 2nd. with 127.

 

[doconeill]

My gosh! doconeill, do y'all live on this thread. Don't y'all have a life?

To be honest, I'm on a semi-mandatory vacation (corporate changes necessitated using up excess vacation hours), but it was a staycation. Which unfortunately coincided with this thread, to the expense of some projects I had planned

 

[doconeill]

doconeill in 1st place with 189 posts.

KellyNY a distant 2nd. with 127.

Yes, I swore when I saw how much I was posting I was done...but I...couldn't...stop...

I can't quit you!

 

[KellyNY]

doconeill in 1st place with 189 posts.

KellyNY a distant 2nd. with 127.

wow, I had no idea but I am glad to be in a good company.

 

[doconeill]

wow, I had no idea but I am glad to be in a good company.

We MUST find other hobbies

 

[KellyNY]

We MUST find other hobbies

I know, there IS a world outside Dis,.. I heard.

 

[vacationclub]

Then in that case the "official policy" was clearly that FP's could be used after their expire as that is what Disney said by the actions of their CM's & what they told their CM's to do.

What? I guess there's no explaining this to some people. The official policy is what Disney says............as in ACTUALLY says. In written and spoken words.

Disney may have implied to others that were noticing their lenience that there was an un-official policy that they cold exploit, but Disney's OFFICIAL policy is still what it always was. Otherwise, what do you call all of those written and spoken words in their official documentation and advertising?

According to the internal memo, the method for dealing with people who missed the window was to not deny them entry. It was internal for a reason; Because they didn't want people to think you could return anytime. That's why they only told that to CMs dealing with late families, and not to the public in general.

Seems to me that the internal memo held more clout than what was written on the FP's. .

Sure, but that has nothing to do with what every the official published policy was.

I don't understand the thinking that an internal memo is "underground". I don't share with my clients everything I talk to my employees about, what I write to them in a memo or how to handle situations that arise.

Your second sentence seems to contradict your first sentence.

Disney didn't share this memo to it's employees with it's clients either....just like you. Instead, they had a public policy of how fast pass works, but privately told CMs to allow later returns....not to advertise it.

 

[Wadecool]

I know, there IS a world outside Dis,.. I heard.

If you guys weren't so darn entertaining, it would be easier to leave...

 

[doconeill]

If you guys weren't so darn entertaining, it would be easier to leave...

And now, straight from Italy, Topo Gigio...

 

[WillAustin]

Instead, they had a public policy of how fast pass works, but privately told CMs to allow later returns....not to advertise it.

I've personally heard more than one CM doing what most would likely consider to be advertising it.

 

[KellyNY]

If you guys weren't so darn entertaining, it would be easier to leave...

Not every day we have such fun here, I can't leave, I am just a weak woman, but I am glad you enjoy it.

 

[vacationclub]

I've personally heard more than one CM doing what most would likely consider to be advertising it.

I'm sure it's possible that some CMs let the cat out of the bag in personal interactions with guests....acting on their own.

 

[cm8]

It's not the same thing. Internal policy only applies to those....internally.

People on this board aren't internal....they're external. They're guests going on rides. They are the public. And, for them, there was a public, published policy. It has not changed.

 

[Wadecool]

I'm sure it's possible that some CMs let the cat out of the bag in personal interactions with guests....acting on their own.

Thanks for pointing out that anything is indeed possible.

 

[Traveliz]

To be honest, I'm on a semi-mandatory vacation (corporate changes necessitated using up excess vacation hours), but it was a staycation. Which unfortunately coincided with this thread, to the expense of some projects I had planned

So instead of going on vacation you were in a virtual queue that has no ending....

Liz

 

[WillAustin]

I'm sure it's possible that some CMs let the cat out of the bag in personal interactions with guests....acting on their own.

Yes, but whether the knowledge was widespread or not makes absolutely no difference in how appropriate it might be to use FPs in a way someone was told was OK.

In a retail store where a return policy is posted that all returns will be given in store credit, I've been able to get my money given back to me for my return with a polite conversation with the manager. In no way is that somehow unfair to the other customers who got only store credit instead.

 

[Sammie]

What? I guess there's no explaining this to some people. The official policy is what Disney says............as in ACTUALLY says. In written and spoken words.

Disney may have implied to others that were noticing their lenience that there was an un-official policy that they cold exploit, but Disney's OFFICIAL policy is still what it always was. Otherwise, what do you call all of those written and spoken words in their official documentation and advertising?

According to the internal memo, the method for dealing with people who missed the window was to not deny them entry. It was internal for a reason; Because they didn't want people to think you could return anytime. That's why they only told that to CMs dealing with late families, and not to the public in general.


Sure, but that has nothing to do with what every the official published policy was.


Your second sentence seems to contradict your first sentence.

Disney didn't share this memo to it's employees with it's clients either....just like you. Instead, they had a public policy of how fast pass works, but privately told CMs to allow later returns....not to advertise it.

Haven't you realized that at Disney that when people deviate from policy they themselves rewrite said policy to justify their actions.

I gave up a long time ago trying to convince them there is a difference in their actions and Disney policy.

And that just because some CMs do not care one way or the other does not mean the policy has changed.

For truly if the policy was that Fastpass could be used at anytime, "everyone" would know about and it would be advertised by Disney.

Those that used them after their time limit are not wrong, but they were not right either.

There are some things that Disney will allow a certain amount of variance in policy and some things they won't. They can be hard nose if they have to.

And as I said earlier in this thread if there comes a time that the variance is getting out of hand to the point of costing them money, increasing customer complaints or interfering with a future program, then adherence to policy will be enforced, which is what is about to happen.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Where exactly does that internal memo back you up? You have created your own conclusions of a memo that has been posted numerous times. Nothing earth-shaking, just more conjecture.

Apparently, you don't have a complete grasp of the angle I am arguing from and that's understandable because the this thread moves very quickly and it's difficult to keep up but I will repeat it again. The memo backs me up because it is the only "official" word from Disney that addresses *why* they felt the need to enforce the fastpass window. It does not mention anything about XPass being the reason as some here seem to suggest. That's my only issue. I accept Disney's response at face value. This is NOT conjecture, this is an "official internal announcement" from Disney, that's good enough for me ---> for now.

We are all aware that Disney currently has plans underway, we've been talking about this for over three months now, I've heard all of the rumors, conspiracy theories, and conjecture long before this thread. We know XPass is in the works, but that's all we know. Clearly, at this point, Disney is not ready to divulge any details about their NextGen/XPass plans and I am okay with that. Others clearly are not and have chosen to become self proclaimed experts on a subject by which they have no knowledge of and I really don't have a problem with that. I haven't attacked a single poster in this thread, not one.

What's with the crusade against Doconeil? From what I can tell he has been fairly objective and neutral in this debate.

Is this a joke? What crusade? I can't tell if you are serious or not. If you're not joking then please provide proof of this "supposed" crusade. I have never confronted anyone about any issue in this thread. I've only given "responses" to those who have confronted me about my comments. I have never initiated any confrontation with Doconeill or anyone else.

I have to ask, are you his mom? Are we not all adults here? Can Doconeill not speak for himself? Why do you feel the need to confront me on his behalf? Do you not have your own opinions? What are *your* feelings regarding matter? Please share them, I think it would great and add to the "conjecture".

I for one appreciate his willingness to continue to explain the FP system over and over again.

That's just SUPER! I don't know how this pertains to me because I could care less.

Let me quote the last line again:

Information is already leaking that X-Pass is likely to be called "FASTPASS Plus" or "FASTPASS+", including an online survey someone took. So it sure does seem like they are considering X-Pass as part of Fastpass.

And again, all of the above is secondhand information that you read from someone else who came across it first. You did not discover this info nor do you have any first hand information about it. The XPass Plus was discovered by andyman8, who has another huge XPass thread about that. We don't know if it's real, but I will say that it looks believable and I like the name.

The poster that took the survey is MrZRich, this poster started a thread over on the DIS Unplugged board about taking a Disney survey a couple days ago and got a sneak peak at the brand new Disney website and his keen eye picked up on the RFID bracelets and they were called "Magic Bands" -- love that. Thanks so much for sharing that info Andyman8 and MrZRich - you guys are awesome!

Again, information has been leaking for over three months now and info will continue to leak until we get official word from Disney.

There is absolutely nothing I've said that has been contradicted by any official information, and all the unofficial information indicates that X-Pass/Fastpass Plus/Fastpass+ is coming sooner than later, and this is the first step in the process - get everyone used to the return time enforcement for when it becomes necessary as part of the new system (which CMs have also stated, being told by their managers).

I am not saying I'm 100% correct either. But as far as all the available information goes, this is the most likely.

You are free to disagree, certainly, but I see no point on continuing to repeat myself.

You continue to repeat yourself because you want to. I have NEVER questioned or confronted anything you've said, initially. I've only respond back to you because you had issue with my comments, you didn't like them and chose to confront me about them and I responded back -- that's all.
Honestly, that's perfectly fine, it makes for great conversation and this is how we learn from each other but please don't play the "victim" like I am attacking you every time you post something because that couldn't be any further from the truth.

Huh? Who has been bad mouthing CF or anything he says?

Drdisneymd (who you are apparently speaking on behalf of) quoted CF's memo in an attempt to make his/her own conjecture seem more valid than other posters conjecture. It didn't work.

Again, the factremains that there is no "official" word on XPass. That is a fact it is NOT conjecture. It did work, that is and has always been my argument!

As for being neutural part, NOBODY on this thread is neutural, everyone took side and explains things from their point of view.

Memo said nothing about XPass, it literaly speaks of present FP system and this is what she tried to say.

Now, since we all know rumors, possible changes and partial info, we of course come to conclusions of what is NOT in memo and even that memo does not reflect truth at all. Is any of it actual true or just speculations?

I also find it sad but funny that this memo is not taken seriously but print of FP inner rules is taken as a proove how system is meant to work. So, nobody questioning what were actual reasons behind this paper? Such a double standarts if you ask me.

Also, nobody questioning Chershire when he speaks of tickets, he is one of the most knowledgeable people on this board but now when he speaks of something that is not popular nobody listens, he is not reliable, he is not telling truth while he ALWAYS does?

Thank you! I totally agree!

I certainly am not disbelieving what CF posted. He's also not the only CM to have posted that memo. And I'm not disbelieving the memo either (other than the last part, as it conflicts with other internal CM documents). There is nothing in that memo that contradicts anything I've said about the change being a prep move for X-Pass. It neither proves or disproves either position, actually.

I've actually met CF as well. We met up at F&W a couple years ago and did a quick food tour before I had to run to a Syfy event over at Universal. Great guy and takes the knowledge of his job seriously.

Again, you don't have any absolute proof that XPass is the reason for the late fastpass enforcement. That has been my only argument in this thread.

I did not say someone bad mouthing CF but was not what he posted questioned?

Drdisneymd posted to show official Disney explanation, nothing else, so what exactly did not work? You may or may not take it as official, but so is FP print out and this is double standarts then. Either take it all in or reject all of them, but you cannot be really selective here. That is my point.

Thank you! Very well said!

Oh, in that case, argue semantics all you want

...rule, policy, law, decree, action, approach, code, course, custom, guideline, plan, practice, procedure, program, protocol, rule, scheme, stratagem, theory.................

Regardless of what you call it...they were allowing for flex in this (insert word here). They are now allowing much less flex due to possible discovery of excessive exploitation and the side effects of that growing exploitation, or perhaps in preparation for something else...

Only those that knew the special secret of Disney's weak spot will feel the difference here, as they must adhere to the actual public policy.

Excellent post! I totally agree!

~Anyway, I skipped over the majority of posts since I lasted posted, it's impossible to keep up. You guys are chopping down 10 pages a day! Awesome!

 

[doconeill]

And again, all of the above is secondhand information that you read from someone else who came across it first. You did not discover this info nor do you have any first hand information about it. The XPass Plus was discovered by andyman8, who has another huge XPass thread about that. We don't know if it's real, but I will say that it looks believable and I like the name.

The poster that took the survey is MrZRich, this poster started a thread over on the DIS Unplugged board about taking a Disney survey a couple days ago and got a sneak peak at the brand new Disney website and his keen eye picked up on the RFID bracelets and they were called "Magic Bands" -- love that. Thanks so much for sharing that info Andyman8 and MrZRich - you guys are awesome!

I'm ignoring the rest as I said I would, but I take issue with the above...why does any of that matter? I'm not permitted to discuss things based on information from other threads? I absorb information from a lot of sources, and I know the track records of most and the reliability of such. Those two threads are not the only places I've see that info either. But according to you I'm apparently not allowed to use that information to form conclusions or repeat that information. At least that is what you seem to be implying there. In which case, you probably should stop repeating about the internal memo, since you did not get that information first hand...

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

I'm ignoring the rest as I said I would, but I take issue with the above

Good, that's means I'm doing something right, because if it were wrong you would jump all over it. Please, ignore it just like the memo.

...why does any of that matter? I'm not permitted to discuss things based on information from other threads? I absorb information from a lot of sources, and I know the track records of most and the reliability of such.

I have no issue with anything you say, you are entitled to your opinion. Why would I have a problem with that?

Those two threads are not the only places I've see that info either. But according to you I'm apparently not allowed to use that information to form conclusions or repeat that information. At least that is what you seem to be implying there. In which case, you probably should stop repeating about the internal memo, since you did not get that information first hand...

You may have seen those leaks somewhere else, but I am willing to bet that you saw that info in those threads first. You said the same thing about seeing the memo "days" before Chesire Figment posted it. I don't believe that and I don't believe this. Otherwise, you would have been the first to start a new thread about it or at least pass it along.

I never said you couldn't form your own conclusions. That's not what I meant, it was just an observation. I wanted to make sure that andyman8 and MrZRich were acknowledged for the information they found and were so kind to pass along, first. Is that a crime? I'm not sure why you are taking it so personal, its nothing against you really. Again, I have no issue with you or your posts.