Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[larryz]

So when people complain about it I really don't blame them...I see their point.

Yeah -- just like line jumping...

 

[ChildAtHeart82]

Yeah -- just like line jumping...

Oh sure, because CM's have been to known to announce to crowds of people that line jumping was okay.

 

[larryz]

Okay. That means that our whole debate could be, like one tiny debate in the fingernail of some other giant being...

 

[larryz]

Oh sure, because CM's have been to known to announce to crowds of people that line jumping was okay.

Kind of -- by not enforcing existing rules against line jumping, CMs have in fact encouraged line jumpers to continue their heinous acts...

I mean, Disney wouldn't have spent all that money on steel line queues if they didn't want to contain line jumping, now, would they?

 

[KellyNY]

You're proving my point. In states where you cannot turn right on red, there is not a sign posted saying "No Right on Red" (such signs do exist in some places, but mostly at specific intersections in states that DO normally allow it). Does that mean it is NOT a rule and I CAN turn right on red since it's not posted? No. It is still a rule even though it is not "printed" at the intersection. Sure, it might be printed in a driver training manual somewhere, but unless you are getting a driver license in that state, you won't see where it's printed and the only way you will know not to turn right on red is because you DID hear it from someone. Just as many people heard here or from CMs that you could use FP until park close even though it wasn't printed on the FP.

Twisted, very twisted. It does not have to be at intersection in your state because you saw it printed in rules. As for me I will not turn in a state I am not familiar with, I will not follow your example as I do not know if you break rules or it is allowed. But my point is rule is printed and if I decide to do some research before I travel I will find OFFICIAL rules. If I decide to research FP, I will find tons of site that will present Late FP use a biggest secret ever but Disney official site and FP itself will state return window and not a word about late use. Do you see the difference?

 

[KellyNY]

Even if late FP users are the cause of the change in policy, it doesn't mean any of them did anything wrong.

Does it even make any sence at all?

 

[KellyNY]

Tikiman did not actually say why it was changing. He does say, "Unfortunately with that flexibility came abuse." Of course, the term "abuse" depends on which side of the lagoon you are on, but he actually doesn't say that is the reason for the change.

Interesting, how else you can understand "abuse" in this situation?

 

[doconeill]

Interesting, how else you can understand "abuse" in this situation?

I was referring to the fact that while some call it abuse, others do not.

My main point is that he did not specifically say the change was due to abuse, nor did he say it was "rampant" as the PP claimed.

 

[nytimez]

How did this thread about "Animal House" quotes get derailed by a Fastpass discussion?

 

[doconeill]

How did this thread about "Animal House" quotes get derailed by a Fastpass discussion?

How did your peanut butter get in my chocolate?

 

[KellyNY]

I was referring to the fact that while some call it abuse, others do not.

My main point is that he did not specifically say the change was due to abuse, nor did he say it was "rampant" as the PP claimed.

OK, I misunderstood you. Is there a link to this article, not trying to proove you wrong... in this case, just want to read it and cannot find it online for some reason.

 

[doconeill]

OK, I misunderstood you. Is there a link to this article, not trying to proove you wrong... in this case, just want to read it and cannot find it online for some reason.

Very bottom of this:

http://www.tikimanpages.com/tiki/news/200-february-update

Basically just repeating the original rumored change, including the reported leeway on either side of the window.

 

[KellyNY]

Very bottom of this:

http://www.tikimanpages.com/tiki/news/200-february-update

Basically just repeating the original rumored change, including the reported leeway on either side of the window.

Thanks!

 

[PJesse25]

I haven't read all 105 pages of this thread, but I felt I had to weigh in, so forgive me if it's been said before.

When you get a Fastpass, you know the time window it will be good for. It is on the sign above the machine. And it is printed on the Fastpass itself. It doesn't say to come back after 10:30, it says to come back between 10:30 and 11:30. If the time frame currently being offered doesn't meet your needs, go elsewhere and come back later.

Now, Disney has routinely allowed late returns on Fastpasses. People who took advantage of this were not abusing the system, they were taking advantage of Disney allowing an exception to the rule. The fact that the exception was allowed routinely doesn't make it, in itself, a rule. Meaning, Disney is perfectly within it's right to stop allowing the exception at any time without providing any sort of explanation. That Disney announced that they would stop extending the exception is a courtesy to those who knew that late returns had typically been allowed to avoid disappointment.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Tikiman did not actually say why it was changing. He does say, "Unfortunately with that flexibility came abuse." Of course, the term "abuse" depends on which side of the lagoon you are on, but he actually doesn't say that is the reason for the change.

Okay, while I didn't quote what he said "verbatim". It all means the same. Abuse is defined as to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority or to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way:. It doesn't matter which side of the the lagoon you're on.

I was referring to the fact that while some call it abuse, others do not.

My main point is that he did not specifically say the change was due to abuse, nor did he say it was "rampant" as the PP claimed.

Semantics. He said, "Unfortunately with that flexibility came abuse". That's his way of informing his readers that Disney now considers the late fastpass to be abuse. So much, to the point where they are "retraining" CM's how to effectively enforce FP's. And he certainly didn't say it was because of XPass.

 

[KellyNY]

I haven't read all 105 pages of this thread, but I felt I had to weigh in, so forgive me if it's been said before.

When you get a Fastpass, you know the time window it will be good for. It is on the sign above the machine. And it is printed on the Fastpass itself. It doesn't say to come back after 10:30, it says to come back between 10:30 and 11:30. If the time frame currently being offered doesn't meet your needs, go elsewhere and come back later.

Now, Disney has routinely allowed late returns on Fastpasses. People who took advantage of this were not abusing the system, they were taking advantage of Disney allowing an exception to the rule. The fact that the exception was allowed routinely doesn't make it, in itself, a rule. Meaning, Disney is perfectly within it's right to stop allowing the exception at any time without providing any sort of explanation. That Disney announced that they would stop extending the exception is a courtesy to those who knew that late returns had typically been allowed to avoid disappointment.

Like it!

 

[doconeill]

Okay, while I didn't quote what he said "verbatim". It all means the same. Abuse is defined as to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority or to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way:. It doesn't matter which side of the the lagoon you're on.


Semantics. He said, "Unfortunately with that flexibility came abuse". That's his way of informing his readers that Disney now considers the late fastpass to be abuse. So much, to the point where they are "retraining" CM's how to effectively enforce FP's. And he certainly didn't say it was because of XPass.

He could have said it was due to Goofy falling down in the Fastpass line...doesn't make it true. I don't believe he had any more information than any other site that reported the change, and he is not the one that decided on behalf of Disney to make the change. Unless Disney issues a statement as to why they made the change, we may never know why. But the evidence is in X-Pass's favor as far as I and many others are concerned.

And again, if you want to use the word semantics...your own quoted definition of abuse can easily be argued as to not apply, since Disney willingly allowed them to be used late, for many years, without issue, it could not be considered improper or misuse. It could not be considered "abuse of authority" since the FP holder has none. But we've danced that dance many times, so again, I will bow out of this dance.

 

[nytimez]

But the evidence is in X-Pass's favor as far as I and many others are concerned.

Indeed.

Some fairly well-regarded insiders on other boards have said pretty explicitly that it's for Xpass. I don't want to throw names around -- but if you read, for example, the threads at WDW Magic (if you haven't already), you'll see some pretty strong indications that it's true.

But oddly enough, no "Animal House" quotes.

 

[doconeill]

Indeed.

Some fairly well-regarded insiders on other boards have said pretty explicitly that it's for Xpass. I don't want to throw names around -- but if you read, for example, the threads at WDW Magic (if you haven't already), you'll see some pretty strong indications that it's true.

But oddly enough, no "Animal House" quotes.

Well, we obviously need to send them a horse...

 

[KellyNY]

Indeed.

Some fairly well-regarded insiders on other boards have said pretty explicitly that it's for Xpass. I don't want to throw names around -- but if you read, for example, the threads at WDW Magic (if you haven't already), you'll see some pretty strong indications that it's true.

But oddly enough, no "Animal House" quotes.

Yes, you can name me, I also believe it related to XPass, however what caused XPass creation is a big question.