Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[TLSnell1981]

It's funny how these posts seem to get ignored.

I'm just tired of beating my head, against a brick wall. Those, who didn't get it...NEVER will. I can't wait, until Disney rolls out...."the pay to play". Nothing will have changed (wait times), except XPass won't be "free".

 

[Josh125]

We are here now and hitting about 50% of our FP tickets return times. However, the honest truth is yes we try but at the same time we know there is currently no penalty for not even coming close. That said, I won't be upset when it goes away. How can I really? I know it's bending the rules today.

I do welcome another system, espcially if it comes free to deluxe rooms

 

[WillAustin]

I'm just tired of beating my head, against a brick wall. Those, who didn't get it...NEVER will. I can't wait, until Disney rolls out...."the pay to play". Nothing will have changed (wait times), except XPass won't be "free".

I agree. And as I've mentioned before, the new system will most likely favor people who plan months ahead of time, those who stay on property, and those willing to pay extra.

 

[nytimez]

I agree. And as I've mentioned before, the new system will most likely favor people who plan months ahead of time, those who stay on property, and those willing to pay extra.

My guess is that ultimately there will be "levels" of Xpass. There will be some token version for "free" that would function like the current FP, and then versions that would require payment and/or staying on site (or staying deluxe) that would offer far more advantages.

For example, a ride that gives out 5,000 FPs today might give out 1,000 FPs (or XPs) on the day-of, similar to how FPs are distributed today. The rest will have been bought/booked in advance.

Just an educated guess. Also a guess: The first version of Xpass we see will be available exclusively to guests who in some way pay for it (either up front or by booking certain packages/accommodations).

 

[larryz]

Ok, now, someone say "booger" so they'll close the thread.

 

[mom2rtk]

I hate this. I like Fastpass just the way it is. Disney shouldn't try to fix something that isn't broken - that never works out well.

There's still hope. Remember New Coke?

 

[iluvwesties]

 

[nytimez]

Ok, now, someone say "booger" so they'll close the thread.

Don't be ridiculous. No one around here would ever say "booger," much less repeat the word in response to another post or even throw in a second gratuitous "booger."

 

[Tomh]

The simple math, that so many seem not to comprehend is this: Whether people are using FastPasses LATE, or just opting to stand in the standby line later on, the ride is still going to handle the same number of people per hour. The length of your wait in the standby line is determined by the number of people waiting in line in front of you, and the rides hourly capacity. Regardless of Fastpasses, those two numbers are NOT going to change dramatically. It will take just as long for the ride to eat up the 300 people in that Brazilian tour group when they get in the standby line in front of you, as it will when they show up at the FP line with their expired passes. These changes are not going to make one bit of a difference in the average wait times for rides!

 

[norybell]

I'm guessing that lots of the frustration on this thread comes from discussing this for almost 80 pages. . There are for the most part two camps here and I don't think either is going to be winning over many hearts and minds.

What I do wish we would start discussing is ideas to work within the new guidelines, either tips or ideas that would be useful.

Some poor brave soul tried to start a new thread for doing this with NO debates. One of the first comments posted was that he needed to return within the window.

I for one have already adjusted a couple of ADR's, and am looking at utilizing some early EMH's. Still a work in progress.

My plan:
1. Rather than touring in my current, relaxed, spend-the-whole-day-in-the-parks fashion, I'll go back to my pre-FP touring style: 3 hours in the park in the morning, only until it gets crowded. Then afternoons and evenings spent poolside and off property.
2. Wait for my AP to expire. Cross my fingers (but don't hold my breath) that the much-anticipated/dreaded Xpass (or whatever it's called) actually makes my park experience better than it was in the good ol' FP days.
3. When this doesn't come to pass, choose not to renew my AP.

Sad. Just when I was starting to consider DVC, too.

 

[iluvwesties]

Give me a 3hr window and I'll be happy

 

[Mister Skellington]

My plan:
1. Rather than touring in my current, relaxed, spend-the-whole-day-in-the-parks fashion, I'll go back to my pre-FP touring style: 3 hours in the park in the morning, only until it gets crowded. Then afternoons and evenings spent poolside and off property.
2. Wait for my AP to expire. Cross my fingers (but don't hold my breath) that the much-anticipated/dreaded Xpass (or whatever it's called) actually makes my park experience better than it was in the good ol' FP days.
3. When this doesn't come to pass, choose not to renew my AP.

Sad. Just when I was starting to consider DVC, too.

Good post!
Less people in the parks. Less people buying DVC. Less AP. This is exactly what Disney is looking for with Xpass.
Why mess with something that works. I really could care less about returning at the time it says on the FP but the mere IDEA of Xpass in any form is terrible to me. I hope my IDEAS are worse than it really will be but I dont see myself spending much time in Florida if some of the theories being thrown around here are true. I hope they fill the deluxe resorts and lose everyone else. Hey Disney I would like to introduce you to Netflix and Bank of America.......

 

[angelmav]

Good post!
Less people in the parks. Less people buying DVC. Less AP. This is exactly what Disney is looking for with Xpass.
Why mess with something that works. I really could care less about returning at the time it says on the FP but the mere IDEA of Xpass in any form is terrible to me. I hope my IDEAS are worse than it really will be but I dont see myself spending much time in Florida if some of the theories being thrown around here are true. I hope they fill the deluxe resorts and lose everyone else. Hey Disney I would like to introduce you to Netflix and Bank of America.......

Both of you make a great point. We have a July trip planned and have been considering DVC for some time, even to the point of having a contract at AKL in our hands. A 'pay for play' scheme would kill any desire for that. We are already paying to play, no way would we want to committ ourselves to that if, like you, xpass is as we imagine.

Also, pretty amusing what some people find morally reprehensable.

 

[CandleontheWater]

Oh, thank you, you will make my day so much better by following rules. Sorry for sarcasm but you started.

Well, you also do not know who is going infront of you, so you technically not letting them infront of you, you have no choice just like me. But you have a choice when you forcing people to wait for you, people in a same situation with you, so...

I go for 12 years, I know late FP delay me and I do not let it bother me as this is something I have no control over. However, all this cry from people who cannot waste their time by watching clock but feel free to waste my time, exuse me, let me just roll my eyes. This attitude toward situation is pure entitlement even so I hate to use this word, I do not know what else to use. And guilting is just a cherry on top, makes me smile.

Anyway, March 7 does not affect me and I hope you will figure out how to use your day in park productively.

1. I still fail to see how clock watching could enhance anyone's park experience. "Your Disney Vacation- now with more checking your watch!"

2. I sincerely do not want to waste your time, all this perception of wasted time is actually an illusion. As had been explained ad nauseam, If person A pulls a FP, it doesn't matter if that person uses the FP during the window, 5 mins, or 5 hours later. If you enter the standby line or pull a FP for anytime LATER than person A, you are in line behind them.

If you kick person A out of line (by denying them use of their FP) you will be able to ride one person earlier, otherwise you are still waiting behind the same number of people.

3. As for guilting, well, the Fastpass defenders, since the first page of this thread, have been attempting to guilt anyone who dares use a FP after the return time. They claim that it is morally wrong to do so.

I was just presenting an alternate moral argument, that perhaps is it more moral and compassionate to allow people the benefit of the doubt and let them use their FPs late (since they are in line anyway). You seem to reject this theory, but to others it may ring true.

 

[maxiesmom]

1. I still fail to see how clock watching could enhance anyone's park experience. "Your Disney Vacation- now with more checking your watch!"

Clock watching is a big part of a Disney vacation already. " When did the last bus go by, is it almost time for the parade, is it almost time to make our ADR, is it time for fireworks yet, what time does the pool close, is the alarm set so we can get up in the morning and start it all over again?"

Checking for a Fast Pass time is not that big a deal, when you think about it. If you choose to use them. And you can have a great Disney trip without using them too.

 

[mom2rtk]

Clock watching is a big part of a Disney vacation already. " When did the last bus go by, is it almost time for the parade, is it almost time to make our ADR, is it time for fireworks yet, what time does the pool close, is the alarm set so we can get up in the morning and start it all over again?"

Checking for a Fast Pass time is not that big a deal, when you think about it. If you choose to use them. And you can have a great Disney trip without using them too.

That's precisely the point. Who wants to add MORE clock watching. It's a vacation, you shouldn't need to program your phone to remind you of all the time deadlines you have to meet.

I know ..... I know..... if I don't like it I shouldn't get the FP. Yes, I should just pay my $90 and be happy with a lesser experience. I should be happy to just BE on vacation when there are starving kids in Africa. No .... wait.... that's about cleaning off my plate........

And no, checking for a FP is NOT a huge deal. IF you're there. And IF the time happens to work. It's the running back and forth that's a problem more than the checking.

So WHAT if your kid has been looking forward to riding a certain ride all year and the FP time conflicts with your ADR. DANG IT!You should be happy just to BE at Disney! People are SO entitled these days!

 

[santadog]

I haven't read all (or even most) of these posts - but there does seem to be a lot of "What if the fast pass conflicts with my ADR"

The solution(s) I would use in this scenario:

A) wait and get another fast pass for a little later (when there wouldn't be a conflict)

B) get the fast pass anyway, and come back when you can. (Heck, maybe you'll even run into someone with a later time on their fast pass who'll swap with you).

 

[dvcdisney]

I know I'm late in the discussion, but I just wanted to say that I still don't see a problem with using a fp late. We collect as many as we can in the morning and go back after our resort break. Generally, I would say that we use the fp within the time window about 50% of the time and the rest a little later. We never rushed to go to any fp line.

But, I still believe that the policy was there that you cannot use it any earlier because you are technically going in front of someone. But anyone who uses a fp after the time is not going in front of anyone. And this is the purpose of the time. That's why CMs always said that you cannot go earlier but you can go later than the time. By the way, we did hear it from a CM as well. He was encouraging everyone to do it. And this was in the beginning.

So if my time is 1-2pm and I arrive at 3pm....all the people who would have been behind me in the standby line is still behind me.

Look at it this way: If I use my fp at 3pm, I am letting in those guests who were behind me as well. If I'm okay with that, then it should be fine. I have not heard of a situation where EVERYONE decided to go at a certain time. This would essentially affect the standby wait. But it always seems like there is a steady flow of both. And I have been during spring break and summer peak times.

I do think though that this is just setting up the whole new fp system and I suppose we need to get used to this one. I just can't imagine not being able to go and use my fp at MY leisure.

 

[mattsdragon]

Has anyone stopped to think how this change is going to affect me? And by me, I mean my family. As I have previously stated, we established our system before we knew about returning late, and it has always worked out great.

Now there is going to be a bunchmore bozos in front of us.

I am now advocating another option to this fanciful, mythical "xpass". I want an "I always came on time option" that allows me to go around everybody.

Because, in the end, it truly is about me, the entire universe. The Total Perspective Vortex proved that.

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[TLSnell1981]

I haven't read all (or even most) of these posts - but there does seem to be a lot of "What if the fast pass conflicts with my ADR"

The solution(s) I would use in this scenario:

A) wait and get another fast pass for a little later (when there wouldn't be a conflict)

B) get the fast pass anyway, and come back when you can. (Heck, maybe you'll even run into someone with a later time on their fast pass who'll swap with you).

Scenario "A" isn't always possible. If you wait, you may not get a FP at all. It's a crap shoot