Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[TLSnell1981]

Here is the quote from Cheshire Figment

He says that it will save Disney money if people with expired FPs don't get in the line at the end of the day. He knows what he is talking about and he specifically mentions not just the CM at the attraction in question, but Custodial, Greeters at the Gate, Security, etc.

If one of the reasons that they are eliminating late FP usage is because they want to save money in CM pay at the end of the day, they aren't going to be able to do so if I'm still in the park shopping. That is why I am concerned.

Whoa, wait a minute. Disney will save money by cutting CM's hours? Hmmm... Wasn't there a "Big tTo-Do" in MK recently? They closed down Main Street... Something to do with tourism, jobs....

 

[coopersmom]

Every Disney guest, whether they use FastPass or not, has benefited from the current implementation of the system, including those who swear it's unfair, wrong, immoral, rampant rule breaking and the end of a civilized society as we know it.

If you and I get a FastPass for the same exact return time and you, a "good" customer who follows the rules, returns within your FastPass window and ride. But I, a "bad" customer, wait until two hours after the printed end time. Well, guess what? You just got on one or two, or three or five, or however many people in my party were holding FastPasses faster. Win!

The same goes if you're waiting in the standby line when my FastPass return time comes up, but I decide to wait until later to actually ride. Now you get on that much faster. Win, again!

Conversely, everyone, including those lawless outlaws like myself, has "suffered" by waiting, either in standby or FastPass, while someone else who "missed" their return time is allowed to ride ahead.

As has been explained ad nauseam it's a net zero effect on every single person in the park. The ride still has the same number of people riding, it's just that you might THEORETICALLY be waiting behind 15-20 (or even 50-100, though that's unlikely) more or less people at any given moment in the day.

Whether that's how you PERCEIVE how it works or not, the above is a fact. Not one more or one less person rides any given ride, on any given day, due to adherence to, or deviation from, the FastPass return window.

And, as I know I stated earlier, the previous FastPass system actually gave you the flexibility to avoid, say, getting in the Splash Mountain FastPass return directly behind a 150-person tour group WITHOUT giving up your FastPass altogether, something that will no longer be an option.

But, as others have said, all of the above is moot come March 7, when no one will benefit from (or "suffer through") guest's ability to make our, or your, Disney vacation ever slightly less structured.

 

[KellyNY]

From earlier:



If not a morality judgment, then what is this?

Now on to your latest question:

Are those 5 or 20 people in front of you 15 minutes late or 5 hours late? How can you tell? Do the ones only 15 minutes late take less time to process through the queue than the ones 5 hours late? Is it less wrong for the 15-minute people than the 5-hour people? This is where the simple math eludes me.

Why do you keep pushing morales here? Why keep asking questions you perfectly know answer to? Don't you know that collectors return is afternoon with all unused FPs or you assume every single person is 15 min late all the time? Do you again, believe it takes same time to process 5 people and 20 people? C'mon you know exactly what I am talking about and if you don't,.. reread this thread, plenty of explanation to all your questions not only from me but many others. Why should we run in circles?

BTW, what is so wrong with morales or following rules anyway? Are we teenage girls craving for BAD boys on bikes?

 

[hookedonears]

I guess I'll just resign myself to being less morally upstanding and dumber than you and leave it at that.

It takes a big man to admit such things.

 

[vicki_c]

The word is "morals", not "morales".

 

[nytimez]

The word is "morals", not "morales".

I know a guy named Morales. Next time I see him, I'll ask him what he thinks.

 

[mesaboy2]

1) Why do you keep pushing morales here?

2) Why keep asking questions you perfectly know answer to?

3) Don't you know that collectors return is afternoon with all unused FPs or you assume every single person is 15 min late all the time?

4) Do you again, believe it takes same time to process 5 people and 20 people? C'mon you know exactly what I am talking about and if you don't,.. reread this thread, plenty of explanation to all your questions not only from me but many others.

5) Why should we run in circles?

6) BTW, what is so wrong with morales or following rules anyway?

7) Are we teenage girls craving for BAD boys on bikes?

1) I am not one who thinks it a moral issue. I'm pressing one who appears to think it is. Multiple CMs tell me it is okay, therefore I think it is okay.

2) Yes, I know the answer.

3) Not necessarily, and of course not--respectively.

4) Of course not. But I fail to see how this relates to the "big difference" you mentioned that started us on this sub-thread dance.

5) Agreed. I'm getting bored with this again anyway.

6) Nothing, but I'm not a fan of being accused of abusing rules when, again, CMs under the employ of Disney tell this to guests all the time.

7) The hot ones always did, much to my chagrin. In real life, I'm nowhere near this opinionated or bold. I am a meek computer nerd who as a rule, follows rules and takes pride in that--one reason why I react strongly to those who say otherwise.

Cheers, I return to lurkdom.

 

[Wadecool]

It takes a big man to admit such things.

A FP argument just isn't the same without you, h-o-e.

 

[doconeill]

A FP argument just isn't the same without you, h-o-e.

But what's h-o-e going to do next month?

 

[KellyNY]

1) I am not one who thinks it a moral issue. I'm pressing one who appears to think it is. Multiple CMs tell me it is okay, therefore I think it is okay.

Different people, different morals, problem is what you call a rule, I call a loophole that contradicts the rule. However moral aspect does not bother me here at all, only affect on others including me. However, we lived with past FP system and we will live with new one, no matter who is happy and who is not.

6) Nothing, but I'm not a fan of being accused of abusing rules when, again, CMs under the employ of Disney tell this to guests all the time.

Again different definition of the rule here and technically while I was affected I did not care much. However I tired of all the guilting and pretending that I was not affected at all and all the attitude. Attitude is the only real thing that gets me here. I never expected line free vacation and it never bothered me how many people just delayed my experience. Not something I would let bring me down on vacation, just like I will not think twice why person in line is passing infront, is he cutting or returning from the break, does he have a right to go on a break or not. Those all details not worth my or anyones attention. However all the attitude and entitlement I see here sometimes makes me roll my eyes, can't help it, I am very down to earth person and never expected to make my experience better at someone else expense.

7) The hot ones always did, much to my chagrin. In real life, I'm nowhere near this opinionated or bold. I am a meek computer nerd who as a rule, follows rules and takes pride in that--one reason why I react strongly to those who say otherwise.

There is nothing wrong with being nerd, just kidding with you a little bit. And there is nothing wrong with following rules.

Cheers, I return to lurkdom.

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[skater]

Non-Resort guest with ADR's at any Disney Resort restarurant should be given a 2 hour parking pass. At the end of the 2 hour period, a boot should be placed on a wheel and the owner charged about $100 to get it off.

As much as we hate older kids in strollers, this is an impossible thing to control.

Guess I would have got the boot when we parked at AKL, had a leisurely dinner at Boma, walked around, shopped in the store, etc.

 

[Princess Sleepy]

Definition of loophole from World English Dictionary:
an ambiguity by which one can avoid a penalty

Nothing negative or immoral about that. An ambiguity, in this case, caused by Disney's own policy of consistently accepting and encouraging late FP use. The penalty avoided is not getting to use the FP. So, even if we play the semantics game and it is a loophole, so what?

 

[TLSnell1981]

And don't forget you will have to convince at least two CMs.

Will they accept $$$$?

 

[Wadecool]

But what's h-o-e going to do next month?

I would imagine there are other noble Disney related causes in need of a steadfast defender...

 

[hookedonears]

A FP argument just isn't the same without you, h-o-e.

I know you missed me. I'm just bummed that I missed this one from the beginning.

 

[hookedonears]

Guess I would have got the boot when we parked at AKL, had a leisurely dinner at Boma, walked around, shopped in the store, etc.

They don't need to use a boot at AK. They should just release the lions.

 

[skater]

They don't need to use a boot at AK. They should just release the lions.

 

[WillAustin]

As has been explained ad nauseam it's a net zero effect on every single person in the park. The ride still has the same number of people riding, it's just that you might THEORETICALLY be waiting behind 15-20 (or even 50-100, though that's unlikely) more or less people at any given moment in the day.

Whether that's how you PERCEIVE how it works or not, the above is a fact. Not one more or one less person rides any given ride, on any given day, due to adherence to, or deviation from, the FastPass return window.

It's funny how these posts seem to get ignored.

On the moral issue, even if someone believed a late FP user was somehow making them wait longer, the karma balances out due to those they allowed ahead of them by showing up late.

 

[hookedonears]

I would imagine there are other noble Disney related causes in need of a steadfast defender...

If you read my post several pages back, if this whole thing is true, this is really a bummer. The best topic to debate on this board is about to become moot. I'm sure I'll come up with something though. Howbout reserving a table in a very crowded counter service restaurant before you get your food, while people stand around with their food trays in their hands and no place to sit. That’s always a good one.

 

[hookedonears]

I would imagine there are other noble Disney related causes in need of a steadfast defender...

So you had to answer your own question?