Fastpass Enforcement coming?

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I know that we have used our FP at Soarin to ride in the 3-4 PM time range and used them to ride in the 7-8 PM time range and the later time range ALWAYS is a longer wait and not by a small amount.

That's like saying umbrellas cause rain -- because whenever you see people carry them, it's raining.

Your example is, as you point out, way too simplistic. Read Doc's link for a far more thorough explanation that doesn't rely on supposition and anecdote.
 
Anyone have a really good link to the rumors of what the x-pass is going to be about?

I'd really like to read up on it, and know what to potentially expect. As long as the current FP system stays in place and the x-pass is an option to purchase, then I have don't have problems with it at this point.

...and FWIW I think the whole discussion about comparing the x-pass to a class system is silly. It's supply vs. demand economics and capitalism, just like most everything in this great country.

Thanks,
Dan
 
I say keep the current fastpass system and enforce the times, what ever. But if they are going to SELL anything it needs to be an unlimited anytime fastpass!!! I read $75 for one in Paris?? I am more than HAPPY to pay $75 for an unlimited anytime fastpass for my length of stay (1 - 10 day pass). They charge $55 (10 day park pass) for park hopping and I gladly pay for that flexibility on my vacation. This allows me the flexibility I want on my vacation without having to over schedule, and waste time running across the park 2 times per ride (once to get the fastpass, and then to ride the ride). Honestly just the fact of not having to go to the ride to get the fastpass would be worth it!! SO MUCH more time to enjoy my vacation!! I actually think this would be the best solution!! You could get to the ride in your own time frame and choose to enter the standby line or use your fastpass based on the posted wait times :D
 

What's being added is an additional "X-Pass" level for people willing to pay for it.

I think it would safe to assume this is a just another wild guess. Unless of course you would like to share the verifiable proof required to back this statement up...
 
You also need to factor in the way TAs sell you WDW packages and tickets.

Go to any website selling WDW tickets, such as Undercovertourist or any other mentionned over DISboard. And you'll see that they strongly emphasize the fact that FPs are included in "their" tickets".

Even though FPs are supposed to be free (as they currentely are) TAs advertise them as options, just as if they were hopper or water park options.

For those of us who are used to WDW, this almost seems as ridiculous as seeing an ad saying that if you buy the tickets you'll get unlimited free access to lavatories across the parks...
But to the general public, this introduces the idea that FP is an option you paid for, or even if it was included in your tickets, it's not a free option, therefore you should use it as much as you can. And as a result, touring plans (and the likes) made it very public that FPs "had to" be used past the return time to make them worth your money ...

So in a sense, all the use we've made of the "valid all day" FP has just been paving the way for selling a new form of fastpass, and we got to test drive some of its features.

It's also very ironical that by taking advantadge of the "loophole" we were just "beta testing". I wonder if this loophole was left open on purpose until now.

Now I'd like to react to the "class system" and some issue about "what are people gonna think if they see me enter a "resort only line" (granted that any of this ever happens) ...
Well, if this is all that worry some of us, let's say they already have enough to worry about.
There are so many things that are telling about the class system. It's everywhere. Are you flying in to WDW, then what about the air fare ? Are you driving ? then how does your car rate compared to the next guest's ? How about the brands you wear, the make of your camera ? Do you pay with a classic, premier, gold or platinum credit card in shops, restaurants ... oh no, wait you're on the DDP, you must be a resort guest you charge it to a KTTW ... and so on and so forth.
Now the fact is that with so many different offers, sales, flash sales, discounts (etc) class is relative. there is really no way to know for sure how much somebody paid for what they got. If some people were to judge me from just the first glance of the queue I'm standing in, well ... they might just go ... (well you know ...)

After all it all depends on what you expect from a trip to Disney's. If you're on a ride or die mood, yeah, it might become a problem. But then, advance reservation might sound good news too. But after all, if it's ride, ride and ride again, that's only you who decided to play it hard. Some other guests like it when they go with the flow. I sure do.
If there is no time window for FP or if the line is too long, well so be it, will try again later or tomorrow, there are so many other things to do in Orlando, even outside the World (didn't you know that ?).
And as I think of it very few of my best memories at Disney's come from riding the headliners, but from so many other things I would probably not have been able to enjoy if I was on a ride hunt ...
If you're all in for the rides, treat yourself with a few days at Busch Gardens, and as some PP said, that would make lines shorter for those who'd stay in WDW.

All in all, I understand how upsetting it seems to be confronted with something new, especially if it involves a change in our habits, and that's why every minute change in the routine is met with 100 pages threads.
But it all comes to pass.

Actually, this change may not lessen our experience, it will require adjustments and maybe it will make us rediscover some things, even for those who are so confident that they know the park like the back of their hands. There is always something to do at Disney's, but it's like in photography, if your focus is not on the right subject it can be blurred to the point of not seing it.

And finally, I was kind of amused to see that many people try to defend themselves, saying that not many people use FP past their return time, but so many are offended that the return window be enforced ... It's like "oh no, we don't do it, but we'd be gutted if it was not allowed anymore" ... come on, lol :)
 
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I think it works in Paris because 1) fewer people visit the parks to begin with and 2) it isn't a destination where you spend a week. $400 for front of the line for a family for one day is one thing, but $1600 to hit each of the 4 WDW parks for one day each is quite another.

And really? You don't think something that costs a typical family $400 for a single day is creating a class system for ride access? :rotfl: :rolleyes:

The point is everyone can get them. You can get them for one day or for the whole stay. And I know lots of people that spend a week there with no problem.
Besides if you take a room that gives you this perk you get them for "free" .
 
Where did you get this information? From what I can tell, every single thing said on this thread is purely speculation, but if you actually have some inside information I'd love to know where it came from.

I feel like this has been discussed multiple times on disboards with links everywhere...search is your friend:

http://dizfanatic.com/DizTech012.aspx

http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_c...cting-to-have-a-very-merry-xpass-in-2012.aspx

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2874169&highlight=nextgen

Just a few places and links that have been discussed/where discussions have occurred. Speculation on the details on this have also been brought up in this thread.

Nothing official has been announced on this, but at no point have I seen or read anything about free Fastpass is going away.
 
O.K. Let me say up front that I can’t stand the idea of this new FP policy. :sick: :( I would like to point out some examples of how a change like this will REALLY impact our touring style. During our two trips to WDW in 2010 and 2011, we’ve used the FP system as allowed and loved it.

We only really pay attention to the beginning time of the FP window because we know we can use them anytime after that for the remainder of the day. This is all completely accepted and by the rules, as mentioned many times already. Thanks for bearing with me if you take the time to read thru the rest of this. Each of these examples are how the current FP policy has helped us enjoy or stay, and the new policy may change things for the worse. It just makes for more potential conflicts and scheduling issues. Not something I want to deal with while trying to relax on vacation.

#1 – Rope drop. TSMM and Soarin’ rope drop mad rush to the FP area. So we rush over to get FP’s. This is always a very long line in the morning. Who knows what time the FP window will be at by the time you get to one of the machines. It changes significantly just in your time to walk over to the ride and the line to get to the machine. So let’s say you finally get to the machine after waiting in line, and the window is 11:30 to 12:30. (very plausible) You have an ADR for 11:30, or the time window is during a planned show time we wanted to see? What do you do? You obviously can’t get FP’s because the time window doesn’t work. So now you’ve gotten up early and made a mad rush to get FP’s only to find out it won’t work. Do you get out of line and go all the way to the back of the line, and wait until you get back to the machine hoping for a time that will work? This can take a long time with the FP machine lines in the morning. Do you just sit and wait until the time window works for your schedule? This is a waste of time and not enjoyable! :( The way things are currently, I would have gathered FP’s and just used them sometime after our ADR or show and walked away a happy guy. :goodvibes

#2 – Unknown FP time windows. I’m at Space Mountain late morning but want to get FP’s for BTMM to use later in the afternoon or evening. So I make the long trek over there only to find out that the time window is at 1:00-2:00. Standby is 45 minutes (very plausible). We planned to take a nap back at the resort after lunch. Well, we don’t want to wait in line for 45+ minutes for the ride (that’s why we went there in the first place, to get FP’s). So now what? Do we stand around waiting for the FP time window to get to a point that is after our planned nap? That could take a long time and is a waste of time. So we can’t get FP’s and who knows what the stand-by time will be after we get back later in the day. :( The way things are now, I would get FP’s walk away a happy guy and use them later in the day. :goodvibes The only park I can think that that posts the FP windows is Epcot. I know they have a large sign in front of The Land and I think on by Mission Space that shows current wait times and FP windows. That helps with this example, but is limited to Epcot and you have to be near a sign that shows the info. I choose not to use a Smartphone, so I don’t have one of the many Apps that show current SB wait times, and FP windows, so that isn’t an option. I can see a lot of walking around the parks with no idea if when you get to a FP machine, the time will work for our schedule. :(

#3 – Being even MORE tied to a schedule. As if ADR’s aren’t already forcing your park schedule to some extent, now the FP’s will even more. Lets say I had FP’s that had a time window starting in 5 minutes, but I suddenly saw that a show like Light Motors Action is starting soon and my family really want to go see it. The way things are now, we happily walk over to LMA and watch the show and then stroll over to the ride and use the FP’s when we feel like it. With the new policy this will not be possible. :(

The ability to get FP’s and use them any time later in the day has been great. Knowing you have a fun ride to look forward to if you decide to head back to the resort for a break, or park hop to another park for a while. :goodvibes (we don’t park hop, but I could see this change negatively impacting park hoppers)

See this is simply a convenience for you. You want to be able to head back to the resort, nap swim, cool out regardless to the detriment of other guest.:confused3

The enforcement of the time window will eliminate a LOT of the flexibility we’ve thoroughly enjoyed these past two years, and I’m bummed by it. I don't like the idea of being tied to a certain area of the park for a defined time window. Does it ruin a trip? No. Can it be a big hassle versus how things are now, and make vacation less enjoyable? Yes. At least it feels good venting a little. :)

Dan

But Dan, the only problem with your scenerios is that you are forgetting that you always have options.
Yes it stinks to take away a bit of flexibility but your flexibility clogs up the system for every one else. If I'm understanding the issues disney is having with the fp system correctly.

I understand your frustration but seriously unfortunately this is about choices.
Yes now you have to make a choice, do I want to watch LMAM or do I return and do a ride.
Now basically when you get your fast pass and you see it's during your lunch adr now you have to make a choice.

Does the fast pass kios have a return time over the machines? I thought they did.
When we get our fast passes, we glance and see what the return time is, then we make a "guesstimate" on whether or not we want to get one. In your TSM example especially at rope drop we rarely get the fp because we've found out that while most folks are trying to get fp, the standby line moves really well. last august the standby line said 35 mins but in reality it was 22 minutes.

I always park hop and not sure how this will effect our touring plan as we simply return when our window says we can.

no worries venting, but I think like any thing else disney rolls out, people adjust.

Has anyone heard any office word as to WHY disney is changing the policy? That may make this more understandable. Have they done any type of polling that says maybe all those 1 pm fp's returning at 7 pm creates issues?
 
I think it would safe to assume this is a just another wild guess. Unless of course you would like to share the verifiable proof required to back this statement up...

There is no proof. But do a search for Xpass or Next Gen on Disboards or other Disney sites.

Nothing official has been announced yet, but even reviewing this thread, agree with the policy or not, I think most agree that the only reason this change is being enforced is because of the affect it will have on Xpass. Disney needs to know how many people are going to be returning to a ride in a given time period so that this additional level can also be incorporated. If 500 people book an XPass time for the 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm hour for Space Mountain before their trip, that means less Fastpasses for return times within that timeframe will be distributed.
 
I feel like this has been discussed multiple times on disboards with links everywhere...search is your friend:

http://dizfanatic.com/DizTech012.aspx

http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_c...cting-to-have-a-very-merry-xpass-in-2012.aspx

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2874169&highlight=nextgen

Just a few places and links that have been discussed/where discussions have occurred. Speculation on the details on this have also been brought up in this thread.

Nothing official has been announced on this, but at no point have I seen or read anything about free Fastpass is going away.

I think it is more about that X-Pass will be "pay for play", vs. being available to resort guests, or just deluxe guests, etc.

All those posts are based on supposition and rumors and not facts.

And anyone who quotes Jim Hill and says, "See? It's coming!" might want to read how many things he said were coming in his archives. Sometimes he's right, just like sometimes the rumors on the boards are right. Many times they don't come to pass. I have no doubt he gets inside information on a lot of things, but they seem to come from closer to the "blue sky" areas of Imagineering than the actual implementation layers of management.

I'm still waiting for the new Adventurers Club, and Night Kingdom, and...
 
I think it is more about that X-Pass will be "pay for play", vs. being available to resort guests, or just deluxe guests, etc.

All those posts are based on supposition and rumors and not facts.

Hence why I said, nothing official has been announced. But unless I'm misreading this thread, there seems to be a general consensus that XPass is real, and I think we can all agree that Disney is working on a NextGen technology.

And anyone who quotes Jim Hill and says, "See? It's coming!" might want to read how many things he said were coming in his archives. Sometimes he's right, just like sometimes the rumors on the boards are right. Many times they don't come to pass. I have no doubt he gets inside information on a lot of things, but they seem to come from closer to the "blue sky" areas of Imagineering than the actual implementation layers of management.

I'm still waiting for the new Adventurers Club, and Night Kingdom, and...

I did not post that link saying "See? It's coming!" I posted that as a resource as there were some questions about where I had read anything about XPass, which is why I gave a couple different options. Just do a search for 'Xpass' in this thread, it has come up multiple times.
 
There is no proof. But do a search for Xpass or Next Gen on Disboards or other Disney sites.

Nothing official has been announced yet, but even reviewing this thread, agree with the policy or not, I think most agree that the only reason this change is being enforced is because of the affect it will have on Xpass. Disney needs to know how many people are going to be returning to a ride in a given time period so that this additional level can also be incorporated. If 500 people book an XPass time for the 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm hour for Space Mountain before their trip, that means less Fastpasses for return times within that timeframe will be distributed.

It depends on how X-Pass interleaves with the current system. X-Pass certainly has to be limited in some way. You can't have 5000 people all want to ride TSM at the same hour. So you'll have to choose times out of what is available. X-Pass return times CERTAINLY need to be enforced since you are choosing times in advance and taking it away from someone else. Some speculation is that this change is to get both CMs AND guests used to it, for when X-Pass is in use. It is possible (although I'm not sure likely) that normal FP policies will come back after X-Pass has been in use for a while.
 
If I'm understanding the issues disney is having with the fp system correctly.

There isn't evidence at all that Disney has had any issues with the FP system.

The information about the change mentions preparing for the NextGen system.
 
If this is implemented, how will Disney announce it?

I will be there from March 3 - 11. How will I know if it is enforced? Anyone know?

TIA.
 
Hence why I said, nothing official has been announced. But unless I'm misreading this thread, there seems to be a general consensus that XPass is real, and I think we can all agree that Disney is working on a NextGen technology.



I did not post that link saying "See? It's coming!" I posted that as a resource as there were some questions about where I had read anything about XPass, which is why I gave a couple different options. Just do a search for 'Xpass' in this thread, it has come up multiple times.

Umm...yes. By me quite a bit. :)

At some point in the past couple pages, someone said, "It's pay for play". That's what was questioned, and you posted the links, some of which refer to it being "pay for play" - but those aren't the only rumors running about. Until it is officially announced, how people will use X-Pass is pure speculation. The fact that it is coming isn't.
 
I feel like this has been discussed multiple times on disboards with links everywhere...search is your friend:

http://dizfanatic.com/DizTech012.aspx

http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_c...cting-to-have-a-very-merry-xpass-in-2012.aspx

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2874169&highlight=nextgen

Just a few places and links that have been discussed/where discussions have occurred. Speculation on the details on this have also been brought up in this thread.

Nothing official has been announced on this, but at no point have I seen or read anything about free Fastpass is going away.

Exactly what I said: speculation. Since you seemed so sure about what you said, I thought that maybe you had information that the rest of us weren't privy to. The links you posted are rumors at best.

You stated what you said as fact - it isn't. The fact is that no one knows exactly what is going to happen and pretending that you do is just adding fuel to the fire unnecessarily.

My guess is that you are correct about free fastpass remaining in some form or another, but it's just that - a guess. It's certainly no more valid than any of the other ideas that have been put forth on this thread.

Oh, and just as an aside - using jimhillmedia.com as a source is rarely a good idea. They have been wrong about so many things that referencing them actually makes your argument look less valid.
 
If this is implemented, how will Disney announce it?

I will be there from March 3 - 11. How will I know if it is enforced? Anyone know?

TIA.

From what is being reported, CMs at the FP kiosks will be announcing that late FPs will not be accepted. More than likely a few additional CMs will be on duty, along with a manager near the FP entrance to deal with guests who are late.
 
I wonder if this has something to do with stockholders demanding profits???

Because they should be happy with how the stock is doing 41.57 as of 2:12 on Feb 8 2012 which is better than it has done since May It is still going yup today.
Stop thinking about money and start thinking about Magic!
 
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