Fast Pass+ is not bad for everyone...

The day disney says I can only ride their rides once per day will be the day they stop getting my money.

I don't think Disney will ever blatantly draw that line in the sand but as I said in a previous post, I do think there is some desire on their part to level the playing field. Previously, guests who are most knowledgable about the parks are bound to have the best experience. Those who know when TSM FPs will run out...those who understand lines are lower early in the day....those who know better than to get a FP for Indiana Jones or Mickey's Philharmagic.

Every day there are thousands of uneducated guests who enter the parks and find themselves unable to ride TSM, Soarin, Test Track and others without a 60+ minute standby wait. Or, during peak seasons, they find they can only experience a handful of attractions...all with long wait times or distant FP return times.

In its current iteration, FP+ seems like a way to allow every guest to lock-in certain attractions before arrival. It virtually eliminates the possibility that a guest walks away, thinking "the only ride my kids wanted to do was Dumbo but the line was just too long."

We could probably argue that the old system was "fairer" in many respects, but this new system does make many attractions more accessible to the masses.

Yes, Disney does risk losing dollars from some customers if they find the new FP+ is not to their liking. But for years, Disney has already been losing money to the people who pledged never to return after experiencing long wait times and exhausted FP supplies.

I agree with another poster that the best system may be a combination of advance reservations and same-day FPs. We'll have to find out if Disney agrees.
 
Every day there are thousands of uneducated guests who enter the parks and find themselves unable to ride TSM, Soarin, Test Track and others without a 60+ minute standby wait. Or, during peak seasons, they find they can only experience a handful of attractions...all with long wait times or distant FP return times.

In its current iteration, FP+ seems like a way to allow every guest to lock-in certain attractions before arrival. It virtually eliminates the possibility that a guest walks away, thinking "the only ride my kids wanted to do was Dumbo but the line was just too long."

We could probably argue that the old system was "fairer" in many respects, but this new system does make many attractions more accessible to the masses.

I agree that Disney wants to improve the visits of many first-timers. Or, they might not even care about their actual visit. It might be about getting them to book and pay, which is the really important part ;)

We haven't seen the marketing machine for this yet. WDW has a bad reputation with lines. If they can market this to the masses that you can prebook rides, that could make a difference in the decision of someone regarding a first-time trip.
 
What we're all really talking about is TSMM. People who get there at 7:45 for an 8:30 early open can get a FP, ride stand by, ride with FP and get another FP. Then get another for later in the evening if still available. Meanwhile, its 11:00am and someone just getting to the park is faced with a 70 min standby or 7:00pm FP return time. Now, with limits on FP+, that same person above can ride standby at rope drop (maybe twice) and then use their one FP+ for later. Either way, its freed up 1-2 extra FPs for someone else to use. Here's my analogy: You're at the all-you-can-eat ice cream bar at your local restaurant. You decide that since M&Ms are the most desirable candy to put on your sundae that you will fill your bowl to the brim with M&Ms. And the person behind you does this as well. And the person behind them. By the time the 4th person in line reaches the ice cream bar, there's no more M&Ms. But hey...if they had just finished their dinner a little earlier and run over to the ice cream bar, they MAY have had a chance at the M&Ms. They had the same opportunity you did, right? To the victor goes the spoils. The point is it is greedy. There should be plenty for everyone to enjoy, but instead our first and only thoughts are ME and MINE and how much can I get for ME.

I agree wholeheartedly....some ppl are just greedy and rude kind of like our world as a whole unfortunately.
 
I agree with another poster that the best system may be a combination of advance reservations and same-day FPs. We'll have to find out if Disney agrees.

I agree completely with this, don't get me wrong, I totally understand the need for pre-scheduling some fast passes. I however do not believe everyone should be forced to do so (if you want a fast pass).

Some of us like every second of our vacation planned, some of us don't.

I know I'm not the only one here that spends at least 40 hours a week buried in spreadsheets, I don't want that on my vacation. I also understand some people do want that.
 

I agree wholeheartedly....some ppl are just greedy and rude kind of like our world as a whole unfortunately.

Now greedy and rude.

Quite honestly I feel like some of you are attacking others characters because they ride a ride more than once on their vacation.

So let me get this straight, I arrive at the park early and do what I want to before the parks get busy, and stay all day so I can ride a few rides as much as I want. You arrive late to the park after you've slept in or had a breakfast somewhere (which i skipped, therefore you could make a reservation), when you get to the park at 11 you find the lines are long and you are able to only ride a few rides.

Because I arrived early and you arrived late, I get more done at the parks, yet somehow I'm greedy and rude.
 
I think calling others greedy and rude because they got up early so they could ride a ride more often is wrong. I highly doubt that those people think.... I don't actually want to ride this ride but I'll ride it just to inconvenience so and so who I don't even know. You are talking about people who spent thousands of dollars on a dream vacation and their favorite ride that they may only get to ride every 5-10 years is there for the taking if they are willing to sacrifice a bit of sleep and get to rope drop.
Calling someone greedy because they are wanting to enjoy their vacation isn't right. I'm not one of those people who get there at rope drop and FP rides like crazy but I understand why they do- it is important to them or their children- they do not do it to inconvenient late comers.
Quite honestly, this just breaks down to the truth of the matter in that this is what Disney is like. Disney has created this system and we as guests go at one another's throats over it. If you are going to vacation at wdw then you must accept the system got what it is and work within it concerning what your priorities are. That may mean rope dropping, that may mean sleeping in and accepting your only chance to ride is at 7pm because you desired more sleep. Neither of these choices are the fault of another guest! They are different strategies. You can't begrudge someone who vacations differently than you do because you want to sleep and magically have 4 fast passes. Which btw won't happen for long anyway since FP- is on it's way out. But... Does Joe Shmoe have the right to rope drop and ride 3 times then get a FP+ for later, yes! Is he wrong for riding while you sleep? No.
 
I don't get this sleeping-in discussion. The only reason that rope drop does give an advantage is because many people sleep in a bit. If everyone showed up at rope drop, there wouldn't be a rope drop advantage anymore. If anything, the people who get a lot of stuff done at rope drop should thank the lazy people. ;)
 
I agree wholeheartedly....some ppl are just greedy and rude kind of like our world as a whole unfortunately.

So, people aren't allowed to go when the park opens? Or, ride and attraction when it is available? Or, even get a fastpass while they are there?

This is all within the rules of the paper fastpass system. It's a trade off, do rope drop, or sleep in. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

The system is, what it is. One can just sit on their hands and complain about it, or one can make plans to have their vacation to meet their needs. There's no need to call each other names, on either side. (Well, you can call people names. Freedom of Speech, and whatnot. It's pretty easy behind a screen name.)
 
I don't get this sleeping-in discussion. The only reason that rope drop does give an advantage is because many people sleep in a bit. If everyone showed up at rope drop, there wouldn't be a rope drop advantage anymore. If anything, the people who get a lot of stuff done at rope drop should thank the lazy people. ;)

I do. I'm ever so glad that some people would rather sleep in. Until they start attacking other people who didn't sleep in and got a "little" more. Until they start complaining about someone riding a ride more than once. Until they start calling people who actually get their behinds OUT of bed and put a little more effort into riding rides at a theme park "rude and greedy". So, if it were up to me, they could stay in bed all day and I wouldn't mind. :goodvibes
 
I do. I'm ever so glad that some people would rather sleep in. Until they start attacking other people who didn't sleep in and got a "little" more. Until they start complaining about someone riding a ride more than once. Until they start calling people who actually get their behinds OUT of bed and put a little more effort into riding rides at a theme park "rude and greedy". So, if it were up to me, they could stay in bed all day and I wouldn't mind. :goodvibes

:)
 
I agree wholeheartedly....some ppl are just greedy and rude kind of like our world as a whole unfortunately.
Good post. :thumbsup2 :thumbsup2 :thumbsup2 This thread appears to be going downhill very quickly and beginning to sound more and more like those disastrous threads on the Themeparks and Strategies Boards.
 
Good post. :thumbsup2 :thumbsup2 :thumbsup2 This thread appears to be going downhill very quickly and beginning to sound more and more like those disastrous threads on the Themeparks and Strategies Boards.

It's gone down heal because people are calling others greedy and rude....
 
If the shoe fits. :thumbsup2 In all seriousness, the posts says 'some' people, not all people-the vitriol toward the poster is uncalled for. :thumbsup2
 
Maybe Disney World should be open in shifts - and early shift and a late shift. There! Problem solved!! ;)
 
Someone said it best earlier...some people want to have their cake and eat it too.....
 
I honestly can not understand the people who are getting so bent out of shape because others don't like FF+ or expressed concern with the direction Disney World appears to be heading. As consumers it is well within our right to complain. From the way others on these boards are going on it seems that Disney can do absolutely no wrong. So if we all go complacently along with whatever Disney wants to do, what is stopping them from making some really seriously bad changes or sending the prices sky high(er)?
 
I got a kick out of this thread:rotfl: The rope drop folks got upset because someone called them rude and greedy, but if you read some of their posts, they pretty much call the late crowd lazy and uneducated. I think it's a draw in the name calling category:) I do both and I like the new FP+ system.
 
Toy story mania is so awesome we line up at 7 for an 8:50 line drop...
Then we immediately go to the FP machines at a "light sprint" and grab...then stiff arm
Anyone in the path to immediately go on...then we have a member of our party stay behind and fake that the fastpasses are "broken"
While we use ours at 9:15...thereby getting new fastpasses upon exit...

Then we go to brown derby and load up on grapefruit cake for energy...

Because toy story mania is the greatest thing constructed since the great pyramid.


But I have no perspective... So grain of salt.
 
So if we all go complacently along with whatever Disney wants to do, what is stopping them from making some really seriously bad changes or sending the prices sky high(er)?

This is exactly what HAS already happened and why "complaining"...which is falsely a derogative term...is a necessary part of the process.

Blind loyalty is not...and harms all consumers.

Now wdw customers
Need to start thinking about phase 2...which is rejecting some of their products and price structure until the message is driven home like a spike.
 














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