Fast Pass changing?

[noodleknitter]

If Disney had FOTL passes for on-site, the stand-by line would be ridiculous. There is no way anyone with any sense would go if they couldn't stay on-site, raising the prices to a market level for those who do wish to stay on-site.

Be careful what you ask for!

 

[civileng68]

There is nothing wrong with Disney giving it's onsite guests more perks. .

You already have perks. You have EMH. Isnt being able to stay in the parks 3 hours later than everyone else a perk? Isn't it enough? are you saying that onsite guests should get ALL of the perks and others shouldn't get any?

sure you pay for your room. However, did you know that there are many offsite guests paying more than you? Look across at the Gaylord Resort.

What about those staying in hotels for the cheapest rate they can get because they are spending every penny of their spending money to come to Disney to be able to give their kids the same experience that "wealtheir" families can do with their kids? Those families, though spending less money are giving up more to be there than any others. Are they not important enough to get SOME standard perks for coming to Disney?

What about locals? They pour more money into the parks than ANY PEOPLE who stay for a week or two onsite. After you take the money for the annual pass, they are there weekends and weeknights through the ENTIRE year, and they go to the parks and spend money. They bring their friends who buy annual passes. Remember there's Universal just down the road and they are kids spending their money at Disney over Universal..............it is not important enough to keep locals who like Disney? if not, trust me, they'll go to Universal.

I think on-site guests get plenty of perks. You mention that you spend more money. Well right there is a perk: YOu get to stay on-site. You get transportation. You get a great experience. YOu get Disney 24-7. Is that not a perk?

Does everyone else just not matter?


Trust me: This won't happen. If it did, then Disney would be turning it's back on every single no-resort guest.

 

[smoochie]

take a deep breath.

 

[LSUDis]

I agree with noodleknitter; if that becomes a perk, then more people will stay in resorts.....and there REALLY goes any chance of our getting codes!

 

[lclark0621]

You already have perks. You have EMH. Isnt being able to stay in the parks 3 hours later than everyone else a perk? Isn't it enough? are you saying that onsite guests should get ALL of the perks and others shouldn't get any?

sure you pay for your room. However, did you know that there are many offsite guests paying more than you? Look across at the Gaylord Resort.

What about those staying in hotels for the cheapest rate they can get because they are spending every penny of their spending money to come to Disney to be able to give their kids the same experience that "wealtheir" families can do with their kids? Those families, though spending less money are giving up more to be there than any others. Are they not important enough to get SOME standard perks for coming to Disney?

What about locals? They pour more money into the parks than ANY PEOPLE who stay for a week or two onsite. After you take the money for the annual pass, they are there weekends and weeknights through the ENTIRE year, and they go to the parks and spend money. They bring their friends who buy annual passes. Remember there's Universal just down the road and they are kids spending their money at Disney over Universal..............it is not important enough to keep locals who like Disney? if not, trust me, they'll go to Universal.

I think on-site guests get plenty of perks. You mention that you spend more money. Well right there is a perk: YOu get to stay on-site. You get transportation. You get a great experience. YOu get Disney 24-7. Is that not a perk?

Does everyone else just not matter?


Trust me: This won't happen. If it did, then Disney would be turning it's back on every single no-resort guest.

First I am curious as to why people keep saying "Aren't EMH enough?". Is it some sort of crime that Disney is giving EMH to onsite guests. Personally we cant take advantage of the late night EMH even though we are onsite guests, we have a small child who cannot do late nights. But am I complaining? No. Because I think that is a nice thing Disney is offering onsite guests.

And why should Disney care that people are spending more per night in a hotel OUTSIDE of Disney property? I mean you don't see people complaining about offsite hotels giving perks to their guests. Ok so granted those are for offsite things, but I don't think any onsite guests are complaining about not getting those perks.

Should all the people who don't have a Disney Visa complain about the perks those card holders get? What about people who get perks on airlines because they fly alot, are people who do fly as much up in arms over the "perks" frequent flyers get?

If Disney wants to give their onsite guests perks, I think it is great, even if I can't & don't take advantage of it all. And if I was staying offsite, I would not care about onsite perks. If I made the choice to stay offsite, then I dont get to use EMHs, and I understand that when I choose to stay offsite.

Oh and by the way, anyone who has a ticket to the Disney theme parks can use any of the Disney transportation. That is not an "onsite perk", it is a "perk" for all Disney ticket holders, even the one day park passes.

 

[Forevryoung]

I know for a fact that we wouldn't be going without being able to stay offsite. There are three adults and two children, one of whom is in a wheelchair. I know they have GAC's for us for when the line isnt accessable but we wont get on any sooner. Using FastPass will be our only option to maximize our time in the parks before we have to go back to the hotel because she just can't handle the heat and the crowds. Because we have less money does this make us less worthy to enjoy shorter lines? Not only that but when the old GAC's let people to the front of the line other guests were screaming "preferential treatment", I see a double standard.

 

[nataliesdaddy]

If Disney had FOTL passes for on-site, the stand-by line would be ridiculous. There is no way anyone with any sense would go if they couldn't stay on-site, raising the prices to a market level for those who do wish to stay on-site.

Be careful what you ask for!

hasn't had that effect at Universal - and during the heigth of teh season they are just as slammed as WDW

 

[JeffnFl]

As stated, at Universal (the main competitor of DW in Orlando), you can get an express pass for instant access to the ride. You can pay for it or you get it for free if you stay onsite. The rule for the EP is you can only use it one time per ride, though many of the gatekeepers (or whatever they call them) don't care and will let you through multiple times. I don't know but I think the hotel guests can get unlimited visits to each ride (I will find out first-hand next week).

This works well at Universal as they have only three hotels, if memory serves, and thus a limited number of people. Disney has a dozen and tens of thousands of hotel guests, and, if all these people got free fast passes, then would be nothing left for the rest of the visitors and the express lines would be backed up. Not good.

A compromise might be to give free FPs to guests in the deluxe hotels (who are alread paying an arm and a leg) to use on an unlimited, immediate basis, and either start charging for FPs as does Universal, or keep it free the way it is. I kind of think they should keep it the way it is. I typically buy EPs at Universal as I hate waiting in line and I can afford it, and I love it that I don't have to come back at a certain time to get the ride, but for families on a budget, having to pay so much extra would be like a slap in the face and show some corporate greed (more than they already show!).

Other than possibly giving an unlimited FP to Deluxe guests, they should probably keep things the way they are.

 

[Acklander]

Universal gives their onsite guests special front of the line passes. So why would Disney be wrong to do it when it is done by other theme parks & is working great?


Universal can do it because they only have a few hotels. With the # of hotel rooms that Disney has I can't see how it would be feasible.

 

[MO Disney cruiser]

First I am curious as to why people keep saying "Aren't EMH enough?". Is it some sort of crime that Disney is giving EMH to onsite guests. Personally we cant take advantage of the late night EMH even though we are onsite guests, we have a small child who cannot do late nights. But am I complaining? No. Because I think that is a nice thing Disney is offering onsite guests.

No it's not a crime, but when is enough enough?

And why should Disney care that people are spending more per night in a hotel OUTSIDE of Disney property? I mean you don't see people complaining about offsite hotels giving perks to their guests. Ok so granted those are for offsite things, but I don't think any onsite guests are complaining about not getting those perks.

Any perks offered to off site guest do not effect your enjoyment of WDW.

Should all the people who don't have a Disney Visa complain about the perks those card holders get? What about people who get perks on airlines because they fly alot, are people who do fly as much up in arms over the "perks" frequent flyers get?

No comment.

If Disney wants to give their onsite guests perks, I think it is great, even if I can't & don't take advantage of it all. And if I was staying offsite, I would not care about onsite perks. If I made the choice to stay offsite, then I dont get to use EMHs, and I understand that when I choose to stay offsite.

When staying off site, yes we understand we don't get to use EMH, but again when is enough enough?

OP see what you started?????

 

[lclark0621]

"Any perks offered to off site guest do not effect your enjoyment of WDW."

Disney keeping it's gates open later to it's onsite guests effects your enjoyment of WDW? They are NOT closing their gates any earlier to offsite guests then they did in years past. They are simply keeping the parks open later for onsite guests, just like the old E-Ticket nights.

And while yes, I can see the thousands of onsite guests being given FOTL passes or something like that, can in fact be a big deal because of the amount of people, it is again a choice to stay offsite & not take advantage of the perk.

How's that for a run on sentence?...LOL!

"When staying off site, yes we understand we don't get to use EMH, but again when is enough enough?"

I just dont get the "enough is enough" comments. I mean Disney can give their onsite guests as many perks as they want to. Bottom line is it is their parks & their hotels & they can do whatever they want to make their onsite guests feel more "special" if they want to.

BTW, I dont think Disney will get rid of fast pass for everyone. It works to well. I would however LOVE to see onsite guests maybe be given something like being able to have multiple fast passes at a time. I know when I try to fast pass a ride that is several hours away, I woud love to be able to get some more fast passes for the mean time. Oh sure, it is my "choice" to get the fast pass for several hours later, but I would still like the perk.

 

[J.C.&ALI'SMOM]

Yes, US has the FOTL for resort guests, BUT you can also use the Express Pass that is similar to FastPass and FREE. Then there is the Express pass plus which would cost extra. So US does have a free fastpass-like option.

Royal Pacific: 1000 rooms
Portofino Bay: 750 rooms
Hard Rock: 650 rooms

There are more rooms at the All Star Resorts than at all of US's resorts. WDW has 19 resorts on site, not counting DVC options. That makes the FOTL option at WDW impossible. There are just too many people.

 

[nataliesdaddy]

You already have perks. You have EMH. Isnt being able to stay in the parks 3 hours later than everyone else a perk? Isn't it enough? are you saying that onsite guests should get ALL of the perks and others shouldn't get any?

sure you pay for your room. However, did you know that there are many offsite guests paying more than you? Look across at the Gaylord Resort.

What about those staying in hotels for the cheapest rate they can get because they are spending every penny of their spending money to come to Disney to be able to give their kids the same experience that "wealtheir" families can do with their kids? Those families, though spending less money are giving up more to be there than any others. Are they not important enough to get SOME standard perks for coming to Disney?

What about locals? They pour more money into the parks than ANY PEOPLE who stay for a week or two onsite. After you take the money for the annual pass, they are there weekends and weeknights through the ENTIRE year, and they go to the parks and spend money. They bring their friends who buy annual passes. Remember there's Universal just down the road and they are kids spending their money at Disney over Universal..............it is not important enough to keep locals who like Disney? if not, trust me, they'll go to Universal.

I think on-site guests get plenty of perks. You mention that you spend more money. Well right there is a perk: YOu get to stay on-site. You get transportation. You get a great experience. YOu get Disney 24-7. Is that not a perk?

Does everyone else just not matter?


Trust me: This won't happen. If it did, then Disney would be turning it's back on every single no-resort guest.

Wow - you must think Universal is the epitome of Evil then - and people who fly first class must be scum by your standards.

This issue has nothing to do with class warfare, or even remotely "classist" thinking.

I mean... maybe we should just open WDW up to everyone. Afterall, you are saying some people spend what small amount they may make for a living to go to WDW. So what then? They are arogant people more fortunate then the masses? And WDW should be open to all regardless of ability to pay? Otherwise it simply isn't fair? You say, "Does everyone else not matter?" So then by your arguments it is simply evil and wrong that anyone should ever be turned away from WDW... I mean, people who can't afford to go to disneyworld are people too aren't they? They "matter too " don't they? But reality is they don't get to go. Those people who can barely afford to go at all...are stinking rich as it is. People who pay for more perks are more rich. Fact of the matter is if you live in this country at all you are more wealthy then 93% of the rest of the entire planet - even if you are on welfare.

The fact that some people make more then others is simply unfair and wrong? I don't think so...


No, the whole issue boils down to one thing - will Disney increase net margins by changing some function of its operations? What will be the impact on topline revenues and what will be the impact on net earnings. It could be they drive down top line revenues but wind up with a higher percentage net. Which would be a positive. Or it could be that it drives up both revenues and net earnings. Or in the end it could decrease net and topline revenues.

Truth of the matter is - whoever is betting on altering the current system is putting their job on the line, and has more kahonas then I do.

 

[momof2inPA]

If fastpass were only available to onsite guests, then resorts would definitely charge more. Can you imagine the effect that would have on the value of DVC and offsite timeshares? Maybe now is the time to invest in those DVC points after all. Hmm.

 

[fljelad]

Cojones?

 

[nataliesdaddy]

yeah that would be the actual spelling lol

 

[PCFriar80]

Hi all...

A friend just got back from WDW and said that a CM mentioned to them that management was considering changing the Fast Pass use to onsite guests only. Is this just a wild rumor or something that is acutally in the works? I personally think it would be a great idea.

They'll do this only during Jersey Week!!!

 

[J.C.&ALI'SMOM]

Yes, US has the FOTL for resort guests, BUT you can also use the Express Pass that is similar to FastPass and FREE. Then there is the Express pass plus which would cost extra. So US does have a free fastpass-like option.

Royal Pacific: 1000 rooms
Portofino Bay: 750 rooms
Hard Rock: 650 rooms

There are more rooms at the All Star Resorts than at all of US's resorts. WDW has 19 resorts on site, not counting DVC options. That makes the FOTL option at WDW impossible. There are just too many people.

 

[MossMan]

If they institute this idea, Disney won’t stop at issuing FP’s only for onsite guests. They will also make distinctions depending on where you are staying onsite.

For instance:

Guests at Disney’s Value Resorts will only be allowed one or two FastPasses a day – and then only for selected attractions. (IE: Pirates yes, Splash Mountain no)

Those staying at Moderate resorts would also only receive a couple of FastPasses a day, but they wouldn’t be under the same restrictions as those poor Value Resort folks.

Guests lucky enough to check into a Deluxe Resort would be allowed as many FastPasses as they want – with absolutely no restrictions.

Lastly you would have the concierge guests – anybody staying at a Deluxe Resort in a Concierge room. These exalted few wouldn’t even need a FastPass. Attraction CM’s would be trained to recognize them on sight. Concierge guests will be escorted into their own private line, well away from the teeming masses pathetically waiting their turns.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I can hardly wait for Disney to implement this.

 

[nataliesdaddy]

Yes, US has the FOTL for resort guests, BUT you can also use the Express Pass that is similar to FastPass and FREE. Then there is the Express pass plus which would cost extra. So US does have a free fastpass-like option.

Royal Pacific: 1000 rooms
Portofino Bay: 750 rooms
Hard Rock: 650 rooms

There are more rooms at the All Star Resorts than at all of US's resorts. WDW has 19 resorts on site, not counting DVC options. That makes the FOTL option at WDW impossible. There are just too many people.

interesting insight - and yeah quite the difference - I never actually added up how many rooms are at WDW - it must be enormous