Fairfield anyone????

Chim Chiminy

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I am asking on behalf of a friend.
She recently bought Fairfield timeshare while on vacation in Atlantic City. She says the resort they sold her is in Las Vegas. While going through the sell process, the seller kept comparing it to DVC saying they were very similar programs, but of course Fairfield has perfected the points based system.
They also told my friend that Fairfield is the only other timeshare building directly in Walt Disney World. Of course I vehemently denied that, we went back and forth for a while over it.
She made it sound like she was told they could easily stay anywhere they want, basically like picking up the phone to make a regular hotel reservation. Nothing was said about getting on an exchange list or waitlist or anything. She was told that they exchange through RCI.
Some of the things said sound fishy to me and I said so.
I also suggested that she do some research on the net about this. They just bought this weekend, so I figure there is some kind of window in case they want to cancel the sale.
They aren't interested in DVC by the way, they want to travel to too many other places. But like I said, some of the things said just sounded wrong.
 
Fairfield can be pushy - but alot of people think they are great

tell your friend to join
www.tug2.net
it will cost her $15 to read the reviews - to ask questions nothing.

if she brought from the developer (and it sounds like she did) - then tell her to cancel now - the contract should have cancellation instructions.

you can get Fairfield points on the resale market from $.02 to $.04 per point.

if she only wants to trade - definitely have her join tug and buy a cheap East coast timeshare -

you can also only see the trade tests after you join tug. I really think she should especially if she only wants to trade.
 
I'm not sure that what they are telling her is "wrong" but it is enhanced. Fairfield is currently building just about on Disney property, near CBR. I'm not sure what this will look like but I know that it's in the works.

My experience is with DVC only. I'm sure others here can give you more detail on what your friend can expect from Fairfield.
 
I own both DVC and Fairfield. They are very different. First off, as already mentioned, if she bought from the developer she should probably rescind, unless she wants to stay at that particular resort regularly and needs the advanced reservation priority. Otherwise she can get a similar contract for probably a quarter of the price (Fairfield doesn't have ROFR and their resale value plummets). Fairfield is a good plan, but much less straightforward. You really have to know the system to get the most out of it. Lisa P is the most expert Fairfielder I know of, she provided a lot of great info when I was looking. Fairfield is building a property on Bonnet Creek Drive, surrounded by Disney on three sides but not actual Disney land. I wouldn't think she would be assured of reserving there unless she owned there and had their advanced reservation priority. If she wants to trade a lot and travel a lot of different places, Fairfield is a good trader and offers a lot of flexibility. But again, if she bought from the developer and is still within the timeframe to get out of that contract, she should, and then buy it resale.
 

Just chiming in to second the idea of purchasing a cheap resale if she only wants to trade. Why pay maintanace fees on a place you wont be staying much? Our friends got a Vermont resale for a song ($2000) with very low dues. They have only used it for trades, and have had GREAT success with it! I might add that they also own DVC and a gold crown RCI timeshare as well.
 
When we were at CBR 2 weeks ago, I saw the Fairfield construction site through the trees when we were on the bus. Looks like they have a long way to go, the building I saw looked like just a shell.
 
Comparing Fairfield to DVC is like comparing hot dogs to steak. Prior to becoming DVC members, we took several time share tours (primarily for the freebies). A few of those were with Fairfield. They were some of the hardest sells we've been through, full of pressure tactics and then at the end they even had problems giving us what they promised. Although Fairfield is a points based system, which makes it better (in my opinion) than a traditional time share, I would still never buy into it, especially after becoming familar with DVC. We've even complained to "management" at Fairfield to never bother us again with a call, but every few months or so, we'll get a call. One thing we have found is that once you own DVC, it's very easy to get out of other time share presentations. The argument we use is that with DVC's flexability, if we have additional dollars to put towards future vacations, we'd just add on to DVC. That way we have all of our investment in one spot and can do something even bigger. We've used that argument a few times and so far no one has come back with a response.
 
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Hi, Chim Chiminy. I know absolutely nada about Fairfield (or any other timeshare for that matter), but I would like to clarify one thing... The Fairfield resort, although borders Disney property on three sides, is NOT on Disney property.

That being said, Fairfield may be a fine place to stay. :cool:
 
The big disadvantage is that they will NOT have access to WDW transportation to and from the resort! I think this is a BIG deal!
 
TUG is a great resource for timeshares in general. But Yahoo's E-group for Fairfield Timeshare Owners is, by far, the best website I've found, with the most extensive, useful info for FF owners and people who want to learn more about it. We love our FF points.

As betslinc and Diane have posted, your friends would do well to cancel. They'd need to rescind according to the specific directions in their contract... usually by telephone, followed by a certified letter sent the same day. No reason need be given.

An excellent resale can be found through brokers who specialize in FF points, for less than 3¢ per point. If they bought, say, 203,000 points (2BR prime season week at the newest beach or Hawaii resorts), they could find that for ~$6,000. Maint fees would be about $500-$700/year for that. Choosing a home resort where they want to stay regularly during prime season or otherwise, choosing where the maint fees are low, are both wise choices.

...the seller kept comparing it to DVC saying they were very similar programs...

Similar, yes. There are a few more restrictions on points usage and a few more a la carte fees, for those who make certain choices. DVC's points are slightly more flexible and the maint fees are higher. But the basic idea is very similar.

FF's points program preceded DVC's by a year or two and they offer many more destinations. The newest FF resorts offer excellent quality, studios up to (awesome!) 4BR penthouses and many of the very same amenities as the DVC resorts (often at a slightly lower cost). Resort staff seem similarly friendly and helpful at FF & DVC resorts. We have had good sales experiences w/FF staff but FF's salespeople are notoriously terrible at pressuring tour guests and using deceptive sales tactics. It's a shame, the new resorts should sell themselves - they're great!

DVC's program is somewhat more flexible, with more consistently high quality throughout all of their resorts. Their resorts are beautifully themed and member services provides more consistently knowledgable service. Sales CMs are known for low pressure, mostly (or completely) honest presentations.

They also told my friend that Fairfield is the only other timeshare building directly in Walt Disney World.

Others have clarified this above. It's technically just offsite, with an onsite entry road. It will be a nice resort. No Disney theme. Shuttle bus service has not been officially announced. Another offsite FF resort offers free (very limited) shuttle service to Disney/USF/SW.

She made it sound like she was told they could easily stay anywhere they want, basically like picking up the phone to make a regular hotel reservation. Nothing was said about getting on an exchange list or waitlist or anything.

FF owners use their points to reserve stays at other FF resorts in a similar way to your using DVC points to reserve stays at other DVC resorts (besides your home resort). You really do just pick up the phone and call Member Services. But unless you plan early enough for popular times, they may be all booked.

With DVC, you may reserve any date at your home resort, 11 months ahead and at any other DVC resort, 7 months ahead.

With FF, it's 13 months ahead for your home resort and 10 months ahead for any other FF resort.

With DVC, all of the dates of a reservation must be within the booking window or you must call back to add days to the reservation.

With FF, only the check-in date must be within the reservation window, for up to a 7 night stay. But prime season reservations (like "premier" & "magic") at most FF resorts are restricted to 3-night, 4-night or 7-night reservations, beginning or ending on a Fri/Sat/Sun. For other seasons, the only restriction is a 2-night minimum. At 3 months ahead, there are no reservation restrictions at any resorts, pending availability.

With DVC, if your requested destination is booked full, you may go on a waitlist. There is no way to be put on a waitlist earlier than the 11/7 month windows.

With FF, there are no regular waitlists, so if your request is not available, you must keep calling back. 8AM (eastern time) calls can yield good results but require diligence. If a prime reservation (July at the beach, Christmas, etc.) is desired at a prime location, there's a process called "Rotating Priority List" which is useful up to 22 months ahead, for requesting an early reservation appointment around 11.5 months ahead.

Both companies have an "800" phone number at Member Services for U.S. owners.

Fairfield has dozens of nice resorts and they are continuing to expand. We haven't even stayed at our home resorts, having too much fun traveling to different places with it! We've had no trouble getting into Washington DC during midseason, 2 months ahead, Smoky Mountains prime season at 7 months ahead, Myrtle Beach in late May at 5 months ahead. But it's necessary to call exactly 10 months ahead for a July week at some oceanfront FF resorts (like Myrtle Beach, SC or Destin, FL). That's kind of like the difficulty in booking DVC HHI in premier summer, I would guess.

She was told that they exchange through RCI.

Most FF home resorts trade externally through RCI. A couple FFs trade through II. RCI gives trading priority to FF owners who trade back into other FF resorts. This would be like II allowing you to deposit an "adventure" season studio week at OKW, pay the exchange fee and accept a trade into the first 2BR "premier" or "magic" week that became available at HHI. It's definitely a useful benefit for FF owners who trade through RCI, to stretch points.

They aren't interested in DVC by the way, they want to travel to too many other places.

FWIW, if your friends wanted to trade FF points into a DVC resort during adventure or choice seasons, they probably could. I've read on the Yahoo site, of several folks doing this, who owned at a FF that trades through II. These kinds of trades seem to match under 4 months ahead of travel and a lot of flexibility is needed. So it's not the way to go, for most people. Generally, if they buy resale, they would do well to make sure their home resort trades via RCI. HTH! :)
 
Thank you everyone for the quick and very helpful responses.
I knew that the Fairfield resort was being built right up against the WDW property line, I guess they are using that as a big selling point.
I am passing on all of your great information to my friend.
Thanks again!
 
FWIW, if your friends wanted to trade FF points into a DVC resort during adventure or choice seasons, they probably could. I've read on the Yahoo site, of several folks doing this, who owned at a FF that trades through II. These kinds of trades seem to match under 4 months ahead of travel and a lot of flexibility is needed. So it's not the way to go, for most people. Generally, if they buy resale, they would do well to make sure their home resort trades via RCI. HTH!
I thought Florida had something about not being able to trade to other Florida timeshares.
 
no - this rule just applies to other timeshares in Orlando - other Florida timeshares (especially on the beach) get a 2-for-1 from II.

another reason to join tug - is there list of sights, distress exchanges - they generally say when a Disney's timeshare has been sighted.

they are a couple out right now.
 
Originally posted by dianeschlicht
I thought Florida had something about not being able to trade to other Florida timeshares.
When Fairfield owners trade their points, they don't technically come from a particular home resort. So there are no restrictions against trading within a regional area. If the FF owner deposits a specific week at their home resort with II (such as FF Star Island in Kissimmee), they may be restricted from trading into other Orlando area resorts. But II does override this rule at times too.

With II, there is a restriction against trading from one HHI resort to another. But HHI DVCers are permitted to trade from DVC into Marriott Grande Ocean for the same reason I've mentioned above... II sees the points as based elsewhere or anywhere within the system (OKW? Vero?).
 
I have owned timeshare in NH for 23 years, I bought DVC in August of 2002, and recently aquired a Fairfield unit in Newport RI. I can honestly tell you there is nothing like DVC. I haven't "gone home" just yet, but have studied DVC very closely. What I have noticed mostly about the other "timeshares" is the sales staff's are all very pushy, and some just plain lie. I like my timeshare in NH, and Fairfield in Newport is nice, but I would have never paid the $12K they are asking for. I got it from someone who no longer had use for it, and they just gave it to me. I have heard the sales pitch before, in fact the week before we went to DW, and became members, we had gone on a tour of the very resort in Newport, and felt like we were being insulted into buying. When I told the sales consultant that we were buying at Disney, she proceeded to tell us how Fairfield was so much better, but couldn't put any examples in front of us. I am always careful when somebody knocks another place rather than giving us solid reasons why thier deal is a good one.
 



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