Facebook Banned from DIS!

[CWO4DVC]

While pointing a finger at Disney Cruising is an easy target, there are more fish in the sea. Disney Cruise Meet Facebook Page is specifically designed for the following purpose:

This is a listing of all Disney Cruise Meets to make it easy for everyone to connect with their Disney Cruise Group on any and all of the four Disney ships - Dream, Fantasy, Magic and Wonder.

I agree with Dis in keeping the competition off the board here as I am sure agency sponsored FB groups do the same to Dis there. It is business. My issue with some of the comments here stem from Disney Cruising being tied to an agency. I am a member there and it is a fan page in it's purest form. One of the dozen or so admins (gatekeepers) is an agent, but that does not change the purpose of that group nor does that individual advertise in the group. While they may not be directly competing with the Dis, they do take traffic away from here so in essence, they should be banned from being linked.

Just my observation.

 

[stitchlovestink]

The difference is that it was originated by a person and not a site.. The DIS will always be where I heard about cruise meets but it certainly was not created by any site..

I don't disagree with your point...
BUT here's the thing...
Unless the creator applies for a patent to protect their idea, they are SOL when others start copying it. Be it group meets, FE's, etc...whatever....

 

[lbgraves]

My point is it ORIGINATED on the DIS. Period. Can't argue that. 100% DISboards born. Not other forums, not FB.

That was almost ten years ago. Who really cares where the idea was first posted? The majority of people who do FEs now haven't even heard of the DIS. You don't see the person who actually started it posting that they are upset about how their idea has spread across the internet and now is a great source of enjoyment for thousands of people to make others a bit happier with a treat or thoughtful gift during their cruise. It's not limited to DCL either. I've had people on the ship stop and ask me what the FE is and how they can join for their next cruise.

 

[lbgraves]

I don't disagree with your point...
BUT here's the thing...
Unless the creator applies for a patent to protect their idea, they are SOL when others start copying it. Be it group meets, FE's, etc...whatever....

Precisely. Posting it on a public message board isn't exactly the way to keep something secret.

 

[mcd2745]

Tossing in my $0.02


It's just the natural evolution of things that cruise meets have moved primarily from here to FB. It's just where we are now in society. I prefer here, but there's not much I can do about it. That said, I acknowledge that there are definite benefits to FB for cruise meets.

I can understand this site looking to ban FB links, but the horse is already out of the barn. They only thing they could have done was to have the foresight to be out ahead of it and create and admin the FB pages themselves, but that ship has sailed (pun fully intended).

I've never joined that "Disney Cruising" FB group (and never intend to), but have heard that group is administered like some crazy, ego-driven, dictatorship with people getting banned all the time for silly reasons. I see there's been some discussion about those behind it, but I have a hard time thinking a TA (or group of TAs) is not behind that FB group and/or there is some type of agenda behind hosting that page.

Our cruise we just completed 11 days ago, the meet thread here on the boards was primarily a ghost town. Just about everything took place on FB. The page was created and admin'ed by another Disney-specializing TA (meaning: a competitor to the owner of this site) and their fellow agents. I will add that they actually went on the cruise also, so they didn't just try to run the meet group page solely to bombard the members with promoting their services (there was some of that for sure, but it was done sparingly). I wouldn't be surpised if the majority of FB meet groups were also started by TAs - who may ultimately persuade some DU clients to switch to them. So it's totally logical for the DIS to at least try to make it a little more difficult for them.

 

[ocspartan]

That was almost ten years ago. Who really cares where the idea was first posted? The majority of people who do FEs now haven't even heard of the DIS. You don't see the person who actually started it posting that they are upset about how their idea has spread across the internet and now is a great source of enjoyment for thousands of people to make others a bit happier with a treat or thoughtful gift during their cruise. It's not limited to DCL either. I've had people on the ship stop and ask me what the FE is and how they can join for their next cruise.

b/c there isn't a "Like" button - hmm that would be a handy feature huh

 

[Donald Applecore]

I agree with Dis in keeping the competition off the board here as I am sure agency sponsored FB groups do the same to Dis there. It is business. My issue with some of the comments here stem from Disney Cruising being tied to an agency. I am a member there and it is a fan page in it's purest form. One of the dozen or so admins (gatekeepers) is an agent, but that does not change the purpose of that group nor does that individual advertise in the group. While they may not be directly competing with the Dis, they do take traffic away from here so in essence, they should be banned from being linked.

While he may not be the sponsor as of today, he was listed as the sponsor about two days ago. I didn't think I had anyway to prove this, but when I picked up my DW's ipad tonight, I noticed the page was still up from looking for the Disney Cruising site two days ago. So here is a screen shot from their page two days ago. Why they felt the need to change it once it was brought up on this thread, I don't know & don't really care, but hopefully this at least settles that discussion that - at one point in time - the TA was a sponsor of the Disney Cruising Facebook page.

 

[MsJiminyCricket]

Logged in yesterday and noticed that almost all the posts in our cruise meet were deleted and a generic msg from the DIS made it look like there was never any FE established at all. It encouraged someone in the thread to step up and create an FE group.... I noticed it was on a lot of meet threads... so polarizing.

 

[DISNEY FANTASY]

While he may not be the sponsor as of today, he was listed as the sponsor about two days ago. I didn't think I had anyway to prove this, but when I picked up my DW's ipad tonight, I noticed the page was still up from looking for the Disney Cruising site two days ago. So here is a screen shot from their page two days ago. Why they felt the need to change it once it was brought up on this thread, I don't know & don't really care, but hopefully this at least settles that discussion that - at one point in time - the TA was a sponsor of the Disney Cruising Facebook page.

I hope all those peoples full names posted it that post have given their permission for their names to be posted on an open forum, as thats a massive risk to their personal internet safety. At a minimum the post could have been cropped, or the names blurred. This is how spam frauds occur!!!!

 

[kaseyC]

I hope all those peoples full names posted it that post have given their permission for their names to be posted on an open forum, as thats a massive risk to their personal internet safety. At a minimum the post could have been cropped, or the names blurred. This is how spam frauds occur!!!!

I agree. They are running around like crazy giving people warnings or points for posts from months ago mentioning links to FB groups but they allow the above screenshot of a private FB group with members full names and pictures to remain.

 

[DISNEY FANTASY]

I agree. They are running around like crazy giving people warnings or points for posts from months ago mentioning links to FB groups but they allow the above screenshot of a private FB group with members full names and pictures to remain.

I agree.

I think however there using "search" software on mentions of FB and links, and a screenshot might get by on this part of the board. I am concerned, I wouldn't want my details posted by someone else. Now if I do it myself thats my choice, but someone else should screenshot names and leave them visible, I would blur it.

 

[Donald Applecore]

I hope all those peoples full names posted it that post have given their permission for their names to be posted on an open forum, as thats a massive risk to their personal internet safety. At a minimum the post could have been cropped, or the names blurred. This is how spam frauds occur!!!!

It is a screen shot of a PUBLIC forum. It is not even from the "closed" or "private" section of that group. It is the group's own PUBLIC title page.

The people you are concerned that I have now put at risk are the ones that placed their own information publicly available on that social media site, & specifically publicly available on that cruising group. They are no more at risk from me posting that screen shot than they are from being members of that social media site or that group.

 

[DISNEY FANTASY]

It is a screen shot of a PUBLIC forum. It is not even from the "closed" or "private" section of that group. It is the group's own PUBLIC title page.

The people you are concerned that I have now put at risk are the ones that placed their own information publicly available on that social media site, & specifically publicly available on that cruising group. They are no more at risk from me posting that screen shot than they are from being members of that social media site or that group.

Firstly, my concern is safety, it's not a flame it's just protecting others.

Yes whilst their names are already up that's by their personal choice, there names now have been screenshot and posted in another forum. They didn't agree to that. Question, how would you feel if your post on one site was copied and pasted somewhere else and you couldn't control it.

It's the same that some photos are posted here by a few forum members and clearly they didn't take them you can tell by the different cameras, quality and size.

Yes they made a choice in the first place but now it's been exposed to a wider audience then they intended. People not on FB now know their names and the fact their on FB.

I have found my private stuff reproduced all over the place in the past and find it a bit of a shock when I do.

A number of FB profiles are attacked, regularly or have friends requests who are not real friends or maybe not real people.

 

[Donald Applecore]

It's the same that some photos are posted here by a few forum members and clearly they didn't take them you can tell by the different cameras, quality and size.

I have found my private stuff reproduced all over the place in the past and find it a bit of a shock when I do.

Its not the same thing. If I have somehow published or used the creative work of others, their trademarks, or certain confidential business information without their permission, the people can take the appropriate steps under U.S. Law to contact disboards & have their material removed

Firstly, my concern is safety, it's not a flame it's just protecting others.

Yes whilst their names are already up that's by their personal choice, there names now have been screenshot and posted in another forum. They didn't agree to that. Question, how would you feel if your post on one site was copied and pasted somewhere else and you couldn't control it.

Yes they made a choice in the first place but now it's been exposed to a wider audience then they intended. People not on FB now know their names and the fact their on FB.

A number of FB profiles are attacked, regularly or have friends requests who are not real friends or maybe not real people.

To answer your question, I would not have a problem if screenshots the PUBLICLY Accessible portion of my own page was posted all over the place. I control what is available to the public. (Unless of course it was somehow being used for someone else's pecuniary gain. But frankly, even that has its limits concerning what rights I may have)

If your goal is to publicly shame me into removing the post, that is not going to happen because I didn't do anything wrong.

If I have somehow broken a rule that I am missing, the post will get removed, but its already been up for months at this point.

 

[lotofheart]

Wow! I thought I had joined a group of adults who were interested in planning a vacation for themselves and their families. I am honestly dumbfounded by the childish behaviour and the paternalistic practices. Not sure I want someone else (someone I do not even know nor did I elect) making decisions about what I can or cannot say, or see or do. Should it not be up to me to decide what I want to do, what groups I participate in I am not sure how references to them on this or any other site will compel me to participate in them. My brain works quite well and is capable of making decisions after weighing ALL the information. Controlling my access to information only makes me more interested in the banned substance.

My two cents (and yes, I am sure many will disagree and attack). Attacks are not necessary - you can have your opinion and I will have mine. Your attack will not change anything except my perception of you.

 

[PrincessTrisha]

I see it no differently than Red Lobster asking you to not bring in your Outback steak and shrimp dinner and eat it in their restaurant.

The DIS boards isn't saying that FB should be outlawed. They are saying - a travel agency pays for these boards, and so they don't want other advertisers to benefit from their expenses. And when a group is moved to FB, they are the ones getting the hits, the ad dollars and opening the door to other travel agencies.

 

[MsJiminyCricket]

I see it no differently than Red Lobster asking you to not bring in your Outback steak and shrimp dinner and eat it in their restaurant.

The DIS boards isn't saying that FB should be outlawed. They are saying - a travel agency pays for these boards, and so they don't want other advertisers to benefit from their expenses. And when a group is moved to FB, they are the ones getting the hits, the ad dollars and opening the door to other travel agencies.

But what it used to be was a large group of people that participated in one group who were free to be on different sites for communication purposes. Now the DIS is basically pretending the FB groups don't exist and aren't welcome...not too magical. The Beatles wouldn't be pleased...

 

[PrincessTrisha]

But what it used to be was a large group of people that participated in one group who were free to be on different sites for communication purposes. Now the DIS is basically pretending the FB groups don't exist and aren't welcome...not too magical. The Beatles wouldn't be pleased...

Does Red Lobster acknowledge Outback or Olive Garden?

No, they are competitors - just like the DIS boards and Facebook. They are both competing for ad dollars and page hits.

Obviously, the FB groups have cut into the DIS boards business and they've decided to put an end to it.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

But what it used to be was a large group of people that participated in one group who were free to be on different sites for communication purposes. Now the DIS is basically pretending the FB groups don't exist and aren't welcome...not too magical. The Beatles wouldn't be pleased...

Does Red Lobster acknowledge Outback or Olive Garden?

No, they are competitors - just like the DIS boards and Facebook. They are both competing for ad dollars and page hits.

Obviously, the FB groups have cut into the DIS boards business and they've decided to put an end to it.

I agree with this.

I can only report on our experience with Cruise Meet groups vs. FB.

Our first cruise that we participated in a Cruise Meet was extremely large and entirely handled on the DISboards. While there were people who would get in touch with each other on FB for personal discussions, all the actual cruise meet activity planning was on the Cruise Meet thread on DISboards.

By the time we took our next cruise FB was more dominate in the cruise meet market. There were some of us who weren't on FB who wanted to participate, and the FB people said "we'll keep you informed". Sort of like second hand citizens. They did all the planning, and organizing of activities on FB and then came over and said "here's what we've planned, do you want to participate?"

By our 3rd attempt at participating, the FB people didn't even acknowledge that there were people on DISboards that were interested. As soon as the Cruise Meet thread was started, there were posts saying "we're on FB, come on over." And absolutely nothing was discussed on DISboards.

I'm on another cruise board, and FB has not been allowed over there as long as I've been there. And that board certainly hasn't "died" because of FB being banned.

 

[LadyFan55]

It is interesting that numerous admins of the Disney Cruising FB group posted in the post on the earlier page have reported the screenshot posted to the admins here and they have turned a blind eye to the harassment of those in the Disney Cruising group. Some of those admins aren't even there anymore.

No, Johnny Appleseed did not have permission to post that and the admins here have been asked to take it down and haven't!! Thanks for protecting your members Dis Webmasters!

Seems to me posting the screen shot is nothing short of a hit list. It adds ZERO to his comment. It is not essential to the point and I take it as hostile.
IT NEEDS TO GO NOW!!!