Facebook Banned from DIS!

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I run the meet for my upcoming cruise we have very few people that aren't on Facebook in the group and they are all new here and don't post frequently. I keep both sides updated and have referred people here from Facebook when they have questions. Over half the Facebook group is not on disboards and I've sent the traffic here for different reasons. The fb group is more active with people chatting daily because its easy there is not one thing about disboards meet threads that are easy, if you ask a question you might have to weed through a couple pages of chatter to find all the answers. I guess if disboards stance is they won't allow me to send people to the fb page I'll stop sending people the other way.

Finding a meet group on fb is easy and I've got great participation even though we are on a 3 day cruise. I don't think throwing up the iron wall is the right move here and will ultimately led to their own decline. I also see it as a bit pathetic that they are on fb and I can share my post there but it's not appropriate to share fb here. A few loud mouths always ruin it for everyone (something I've found true in so many aspects of life is true here too now)
 
Although I'm fairly new to DisBoards, I'm no stranger to open forums/discussion boards. I've always felt them to be somewhat sterile. With nothing more than a creative handle you can be who ever spouting off about whatever.

I suppose the same can be said about facebook, but in my experience, fb groups are much more personal and intimate. yes, I understand that hardly anything on the internet is safe from hackers but at least facebook has the capability to secure content from the average internet user.

the fb group I'm apart of for our upcoming cruise is quite vocal and supportive. there's the added plus of having seen people's profile pictures which will hopefully allow us to recognize each other. not to mention it can be a great medium to share private pictures from our on ship meets (or anything you might not want to share to the entire board/internet public)

I'm sure a lot comes down to personal preference. I have used fb for 10 years now and feel more comfortable in groups there. It would be a shame if we can't use these two sites in tandem.

just my 2cents
 

I have no issue with the policy. DIS is a for profit board and they make money from the number of eyeballs that are here. Facebook is also a for profit board.
They are also free to make their own rules.
We are free to chose if we wish to use either board.
 
Have not even heard chatter about this. Agree that on the 3 trips we have booked, all three meet threads have multiple posts about their FB group. While I am sure some don't intend to hijack the DIS group but certainly end up doing just that.

I am not a FBer so appreciate it if DIS refocuses on what the meet thread was, a group discussion and meet of the DIS Board. Look forward to more DIS meet participation. :thumbsup2

I completely agree!
 
I can see both sides, but to answer the few posts about the lack of moderation here .... I help moderate the UK version of the Disboards and it's not a 2 minute task. We all do it voluntarily and get it in the neck if someone disagrees with why we have removed or edited their post.
It's not an easy job and you just can't expect the moderators to read and vet every thread and post .. That would be a full time job!
I'm not sure how they employ mods here, but if anyone thinks they can keep the peace while keeping their mouth shut, why not ask if you can help? It is a struggle sometimes to not get fed up with some posters but the helpful people far outweigh the pain in the bum people!
Our forum is extremely friendly and, like Disboards, we also try to keep links 'in house'. We don't stop most of them, but if the info is available on our site, we'll change the link from external address to internal. The cruise forum on our boards is much smaller as there are much fewer Brits booking DCL than you do here .. But it's a friendly one if you abide by the rules and help people.
As for FB, I'm not a fan personally, but can see why they have stopped allowing links to it. There's nothing to stop people from forming a FB group and advertising the title of it though, as opposed to the whole link.
 
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I see this as a classic example of new media supplanting old. I have used, and do use, and very much appreciate the DISBoards. I expect to continue using it, and referring to it.

At the same time, I'm also a member of a secret fb group related to an up-coming cruise, so I see, and experience, both sides of this debate.

DISBoards is great for general queries, discussion about DCL policies, and other things that relate to Disney that are not personal. However, with the steadily rising incidence and threats emerging from spam, phishing, and scams, it is becoming increasingly risky to divulge personal information in an open forum like the DISBoards.

OTOH, the fb group to which I belong has a gatekeeper, who is the woman who organized the fb group. She has screened and barred people who have tried to get in who weren't going on the cruise, and who (probably) wanted to use the group to promote something they were selling, troll the members, or use members' personal information to scam them in some way. Because it is a more secure forum, people feel safe, and there has been a lot of personal give-and-take, and a lot of shared confidences, including names and photos, about themselves, their homes, and their families. This probably would not have happened to this extent on the DISBoards because of its open nature.

Unfortunately, this comes at a cost. People who are not on facebook, like my DW, resent that they are being excluded from the cruise meet. It's also possible that a fb group incorrectly excludes people who are legitimate cruisers, or has a gatekeeper who is dictatorial and controlling, and excludes people he or she doesn't like for whatever reason. Since all of these forums are operated by people, there will always be mistakes in judgment.

As a number of PP's have commented, this horse has bolted. I suspect that all that this policy will do is to drive people further into the arms of facebook, relegating DISBoards to a declining relevancy. What the DISBoard policy is seeking to do, IMHO, is to turn back the clock and make facebook go away. That won't happen, no matter what policy DISBoard pursues, and may cause the kind of splintering of cruise meets already discussed.

I suspect that if DISBoards wants to continue to be the pre-eminent forum for cruise or any other kind of meets, it needs to change to become more like facebook, with greater privacy controls, and opportunities to create closed groups.

This is only my opinion, and it is quite possible I'm wrong, but this is the kind of thing I study professionally. Media accrete, they don't disappear. So radio didn't die when TV appeared. And movies didn't die out when VCRs appeared. But they did have to change their business plans, and so will DISBoards.

DISBoards can't go back to the way things were 3-5 years ago. facebook is here to stay, and so are fb cruise meets. Instead, DISBoards should think about using some kind of ju-jitsu, co-opting fb groups and incorporating them into a DISBoards superstructure. This would make both DISBoards and fb more valuable.

Until something like that happens, I suspect that we're likely to experience the kind of "are you with us or against us" mentality that is becoming so prevalent. We will have "cruise meets should only be on DISBoards" people raging against the "cruise meets should be organized through the DISBoards, but meet on fb" crowd, and vice-versa. That would be unfortunate.

I find both media – DISBoards and facebook – to be valuable, and will continue to use both.

This is exactly how I feel. I feel more comfortable sharing with the private, secret FB group, than I do here on an open forum. I enjoy being able to come to the DIS and post a general question, but I would go to our FB group for more personal questions.
 
As for FB, I'm not a fan personally, but can see why they have stopped allowing links to it. There's nothing to stop people from forming a FB group and advertising the title of it though, as opposed to the whole link.

As I read it, this ban includes any solicitation of social media, not just links.

It amazes me to keep seeing the relentless pursuit of this social forum by another, when at the same time the pursuers tout all the wonderful aspects of their chosen media and how much better it is.

Now little threats are dropped to scare people into thinking that the DIS won't survive this or "fb will win" and we're going to leave this forum.

One of the good features of the Disboards is the post count and history under each user name.
 
As I read it, this ban includes any solicitation of social media, not just links.

If they do not want us to use FaceBook...then they should remove their own FB link at the bottom of each post... along with twitter, pinterest etc... practice what they preach
 
As I read it, this ban includes any solicitation of social media, not just links.

It amazes me to keep seeing the relentless pursuit of this social forum by another, when at the same time the pursuers tout all the wonderful aspects of their chosen media and how much better it is.

Now little threats are dropped to scare people into thinking that the DIS won't survive this or "fb will win" and we're going to leave this forum.


One of the good features of the Disboards is the post count and history under each user name.

I do not think you have read the majority of posts, from reading here it's not one forum against another, it's not a relentless pursuit and I haven't seen threats. I haven't seen FB will win. As a summary it doesn't summarise well but inflames the discussion.

Posters have compared and contrasted, privacy, security, freedom of speech, un moderated discussions, i.e. how to openly discuss a travel agent, post photos with security and ease.

People " choose" what they want to do, forums choose what they want to allow, forums do not own the people who post here, they can't dictate people using other social media must post on a cruise meet thread here.

Social media has been out some good time now, other boards such as cruise critic have had the foresight to have rules in before and as posted many times the horse has bolted now and their locking the stable door after that.

Finally post counts do not count for too much as there are posters here who haven't cruised DCL recently or in years or on the new ships, but regularly answer these threads without any personal experience. On personal FB groups it's nearly impossible to get away with that as, the more personal you get the more you know if their posting the truth or not.

The pain in the bum, might be the one telling the truth, I know of good TAs on DCL bring booted off as the person in charge didn't like being upstaged with the truth.

Someone with a low post count who got off the ship yesterday is far more valuable to me and more reliable than someone with thousands of posts who last sailed on Disney in say 2012, or before, as things change so rapidly.
 
If they do not want us to use FaceBook...then they should remove their own FB link at the bottom of each post... along with twitter, pinterest etc... practice what they preach

EXACTLY.. They can't have it both ways.. It is interesting to see people happy that there are not FB links allowed now.. I hate to break it to them but having it this way will NOT bring more people to the Dis cruise meets. It will still be the same people complaining that no one is on the cruise meet and the majority will still be on FB. It is just the way that it has become and will continue to be so.
 
I do not think you have read the majority of posts, from reading here it's not one forum against another, it's not a relentless pursuit and I haven't seen threats. I haven't seen FB will win. As a summary it doesn't summarise well but inflames the discussion.

Someone with a low post count who got off the ship yesterday is far more valuable to me and more reliable than someone with thousands of posts who last sailed on Disney in say 2012, or before, as things change so rapidly.

Actually, I started the thread and have read every post. I'm sure you have also. Here are some of the posts I refer to, minus all the ones that have been deleted/edited by moderators, including the "fb will win". I'm sure you're aware of that also.


I'm participating in several pending cruise threads and see mention of FB groups regularly.

Agree that on the 3 trips we have booked, all three meet threads have multiple posts about their FB group. While I am sure some don't intend to hijack the DIS group but certainly end up doing just that.

Anybody new on the meet thread for an upcoming cruise is directed to FB and there is no communication on DIS. I was blocked from joining my cruises FB page so I am entirely out of the loop,

I am frustrated when I see a meet start here, then someone says "join us on FB."

I actually did prefer the "old" Dis-meet style before the days of redirecting to FB...............

............While any OP of a Dis-meet thread can easily go in and remove their FB link if it's in the first post, the link is usually re-posted by them and many others in numerous places throughout the thread.

Recruitment became an issue with many meet threads. Click on any random meets and see. What you view as inflaming an issue...I see as stating the obvious.

I'm not saying that post counts give value to anyone. What they do is show poster trends and habits. Heck, some posters have more then one ID or change it when trouble occurs. I could assume any identity I want to here and on facebook! The computer will post anything I tell it to.
 
Actually, I started the thread and have read every post. I'm sure you have also. Here are some of the posts I refer to, minus all the ones that have been deleted/edited by moderators, including the "fb will win". I'm sure you're aware of that all

Yes read all that's available to me, and where you say deleted/ edited - therein is a major issue.


I'm not saying that post counts give value to anyone. What they do is show poster trends and habits. Heck, some posters have more then one ID or change it when trouble occurs. I could assume any identity I want to here and on facebook! The computer will post anything I tell it to.

I agree I am aware of some posters with two or more IDs people posting under different names as they were banned before, I would say the People on FB are real and you can trust them more.

From what I read here most people will choose what they feel is best for them personally, it's not a forum against another not fanboys, or cheerleaders but personal choice,

The questions should be why are cruise meets threads not popular? Without blaming FB and then evolve and compete. Why do people prefer FB then again evolve and compete,

It feels more about clicks on pages for advertising income and protection of that rather than looking at the issue proactively, and say how can we evolve to make this the place of choice again.

Technology changes all the time FB could get changed in the future and go out of date as well.

In the world today if you adapt, and change and improve people will stay with you, but if you fail to change you will loose out,

Take paper newspapers, high street estate and travel agents, adapt and keep custom, or whack up a paywall and slowly die.

People will find a way, telling people not to do something often encourages them more. Like members of the government keep your critics close and control them, or boot them out and they become a loose cannon.

Keep friends close, keep rivals even closer.
 
EXACTLY.. They can't have it both ways.. It is interesting to see people happy that there are not FB links allowed now.. I hate to break it to them but having it this way will NOT bring more people to the Dis cruise meets. It will still be the same people complaining that no one is on the cruise meet and the majority will still be on FB. It is just the way that it has become and will continue to be so.
In a way I would be ok with the ban. Because once it is posted on the disboards it usually just becomes a Facebook group in my cruise group cruises, which is fine I post on Facebook more, but I say why not just start a cruise group on Facebook and forget the disboards
 
I can see both sides, but to answer the few posts about the lack of moderation here .... I help moderate the UK version of the Disboards and it's not a 2 minute task. We all do it voluntarily and get it in the neck if someone disagrees with why we have removed or edited their post.
It's not an easy job and you just can't expect the moderators to read and vet every thread and post .. That would be a full time job!
I'm not sure how they employ mods here, but if anyone thinks they can keep the peace while keeping their mouth shut, why not ask if you can help? It is a struggle sometimes to not get fed up with some posters but the helpful people far outweigh the pain in the bum people!

I was a mod for this forum for about three years, so completely understand what is involved and how unwelcomed you are received much of the time. It is a volunteer position here as well with no compensation and requires a great deal of your time. I was simply pointing out that enforcing this change would be extremely difficult due to the fact that the board doesn't have a dedicated moderator. The only mod listed now is TNRobin and the last time she posted on the DIS was on 12/12/12 if you look at her profile. Two other mods stepped down about a year ago. If the desire is for the DIS to be more active, then my suggestion is to spend some time cleaning up the forum with UTD links at the top of the board, as well as making sure threads are where they should be located in order to make it easier for people to navigate the boards.

Actually, I started the thread and have read every post. I'm sure you have also. Here are some of the posts I refer to, minus all the ones that have been deleted/edited by moderators, including the "fb will win". I'm sure you're aware of that also.

When a mod or WM edits a post, it notates that at the bottom of the post with the date and time. There are only three posts that have been edited on this thread, and two of them are yours. The other was edited by the poster themselves as well. I still see posts here that were made last night vocally against the change. If some were deleted, they all would have been.
 
I would say the People on FB are real and you can trust them more...

This is where fb users fall way short! To think that people don't build their identities up for more followers or even outright lie to look more desirable is a critical mistake.

I know personally of a former Diser who used multiple ID's on here, got caught and had multiple ID's and "walls" on fb with followers named John F. Kennedy and Kelly Green. Give me a break.

She even quoted herself and spoke back and forth on both our cruise meet and facebook page and could be on every one of your facebook groups!

She had Husbands, children, aunts , uncles, you name it, she used it complete with fake pictures. Until you are duped like this you have a false sense of security.
 
You can't please everyone no matter what you do. I have admined several FB groups for our DCL cruises over the years and also participated in the cruise meet threads here on the DIS. Several years ago I was on a Disboard cruise meet thread that was very active, chatty and fun. The thread wound up having a part one, two, three etc. Some people complained about the off topic posts and activity because they couldn't keep up with the constant posting or find information easily and as a result rarely participated in the thread.

I started the Dismeet thread and FB group for what will be our 14th DCL cruise next summer. There are some in the Dismeet thread that have stated they don't do FB. I gave the suggestion of creating a FB account with their Disboard name so they could participate if they wished and still not have people IRL find them on FB. Some did. Others said they wouldn't, even with a fake FB account which is fine. All of the relevant cruise, travel information, FE, Secret Mickey sign up etc. that is shared on FB I also post one page one in our Dis meet thread so no one will be left out of any activities and relevant cruise information. I post a weekly countdown on the DIS meet thread to keep it active. I have seen people in both groups, post something to try and start a conversation or share information on the Dismeet thread and there is very little if any feedback and/or response in some instances. Lack of participation and feedback is not conducive to getting to know your fellow cruisers.

Meanwhile, the FB group is very active. I think people comfortable with FB are more inclined to chat and get to know one another. The group is private. As gatekeeper, I PM each person who asks to join and ask them to PM me or post on the DIS as part of my vetting process. Spammers and people who aren't really on the sailing will either not respond or tell me they are not on the sailing. For those who claim they are not allowed to join their FB cruise groups, it is possible the admin PM'd them to make sure they are on the sailing and the message went into their "other" FB message inbox and they aren't aware. Several in our FB group had never heard of the Disboards and as a result of the FB group have since come to the Disboards.

Personally, I think banning social media links here on the Disboards will simply encourage less participation on the Disboards.
 
EXACTLY.. They can't have it both ways.. It is interesting to see people happy that there are not FB links allowed now.. I hate to break it to them but having it this way will NOT bring more people to the Dis cruise meets. It will still be the same people complaining that no one is on the cruise meet and the majority will still be on FB. It is just the way that it has become and will continue to be so.

Exactly!:)
 
When a mod or WM edits a post, it notates that at the bottom of the post with the date and time. There are only three posts that have been edited on this thread, and two of them are yours. The other was edited by the poster themselves as well. I still see posts here that were made last night vocally against the change. If some were deleted, they all would have been.

Tell that to beermam42.
 
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