Expose on WDW & Cast Members?

[Leota]

It's true, everyone who has a beer isn't going to become an alcholic and everyone who drives or is driven in a car by someone inder the influence, won't become a statistic. But some of them will. I'm concerned about the ones who don't make it. Speaking as a parent, as I said. If you'd like your children to take these risks ( getting into a car with a driver who's been "experimenting", etc...), that's up to you. I sincerely hope you never have to regret your decision.

I thought the debate at hand was CP's experimenting - Nothing was said about CP's Driving Drunk. Obviously no person on the Planet still thinks Driving Intoxicated is an acceptable situation.

Even more insulting is that you think my defense of a person's right to do what they want on their own time means that I would endorse, approve & support of my child (or anyone else's for that matter) getting drunk & driving or getting in the car with a Drunk Driver Again, the debate at hand has NOTHING to do with Drunk Driving, I believe you are the one who connected those non-existant dots.

 

[jarestel]

Again, the debate at hand has NOTHING to do with Drunk Driving, I believe you are the one who connected those non-existant dots.

Or maybe you prefer to close your rolling eyes to the obvious. If you think people having a few drinks don't sometimes decide to get in their cars and drive somewhere, you're not being real about this.

I just don't agree that getting high, drunk, or hooking up for the fun of it is responsible behavior. Do I agree people have a right to be irresponsible? Yes I do. So we agree on that point.

Do I hope for better things from my children? Yes I do. Ultimately, they'll do whatever they decide to do, but it won't be because I slap them on the back and say "go for it, dudes"!

 

[bicker]

That's like saying accountants don't like to be called regular people.

Perhaps, but what I was noting was that, in my experience, actors have tended to express sentiments like that more than accountants I've know have. Present company excepted, of course!

 

[YepsenCP]

Or maybe you prefer to close your rolling eyes to the obvious. If you think people having a few drinks don't sometimes decide to get in their cars and drive somewhere, you're not being real about this.

CP's have busses that run them to and from PI and all Disney parks and resorts. Buses JUST for CPs. And believe me, when we were drunk... we took the bus.

If some of this is taking place on Disney's property (such as at PI), and they are aware of it, that does not sit well with me. As a parent, I would hate to have my son come to think of Disney as a safe harbor for illegal activity.

There are only a few who get away with drinking underage at PI... We all knew the consequences... Those who did? Most got caught. Believe me, Disney does not harbor a safe underage drinking enviroment, or any other illegal action.


Guess what! All of us Gen Xers and Gen Whyers (aka the Echo Generation) are not STUPID! We know not to drive drunk, we have morals...
What?!?! They have morals you say? That's right, but they may be slightly different from yours. Raise your family, your way. If I chose to drink, and have fun my way, that's why it my way and none of your business.

 

[jarestel]

Guess what! All of us Gen Xers and Gen Whyers (aka the Echo Generation) are not STUPID! We know not to drive drunk, we have morals...
What?!?! They have morals you say? That's right, but they may be slightly different from yours. Raise your family, your way. If I chose to drink, and have fun my way, that's why it my way and none of your business.

I completely understand your self-motivated point of view as it's of benefit to you right now. If and when you become a parent, you won't be so concerned with "me and what I want" as you will be with the safety and future of those you love. I know you won't understand this now, but one day you will, I promise.

Time to retire from this thread, I guess.

Regards!

 

[YepsenCP]

I completely understand your self-motivated point of view as it's of benefit to you right now. If and when you become a parent, you won't be so concerned with "me and what I want" as you will be with the safety and future of those you love. I know you won't understand this now, but one day you will, I promise.

Regards!

No I'm not a parent... But I still have many loved ones whom I care for deeply. There safety and happiness is of utmost importance to me. If there drinking, or sexual escapades were to becoming dangerous or damaging to their future; I would care, and i have cared.

It's easy to pass me, and many others here off as an an inexpereinced child. I'm 22, in a committed relationship, and have a sister who is younger than many people my age's children.

Do I have you experiences? No. Do I have people whose safety and future I care about? Don't bother questioning that again.

It's so easy to cast me off as inexperienced, and therefore ignorant of what you believe is right. It is easy to say that because I am only 22 years old I don't have the view on life... And I don't. But I do know that I do not under any circumstances have the right to tell anyone what they can and can not do on THEIR TIME. Especially just because they happen to have a job that is far different from most their age.

Disney can not tell a 21+ adult that they can not drink while they are off the clock. Nor can they tell them not to have sex, or do drugs. Nor can they stop an 18-20 y/o from any of these. They can try to monitor and stop those who they catch. But Big Brother, they can not be. They can offer consequences to those who let these things interfere with their work. But will never be able to stop them, nor should they unless they become hazardous to themselves or those around them.

We are not a nieve generation.

Our opinions may not be as experienced as yours... But that does not make them any less right. Someday I will be a parent, and I pray to God that my Son or Daughter knows right from wrong. I will do my best to instill those values in them from birth. But I know that they will go to HS and they will go to college and they will drink, and probably fool around. Will I like it? Heck no. But I'd like to think that I would still be there to support them. And be a grounded enough parent to realize that it is happening, and not clouded in dillusions that my child is holier than thou.

Do not disregard my opinons just because they are not yours. There is much more to me than just "what I want."

 

[jarestel]

Do not disregard my opinons just because they are not yours. There is much more to me than just "what I want."

No disrespect intended, Yepsen. Your opinions were my opinions at one time, and I felt just as strongly as you do. Time changes viewpoints, and mine changed. I wish you well, and don't mean to imply you or "your generation" aren't entitled to find your own way, as I did back in the old days. I started all of this a page or 2 ago stating my opinions were those of a parent, not someone who wanted to make the world toe the line as I see it. ( I re-read my last post and it does sound a bit preachy, sorry about that ). So forgive me if I was a little over-zealous, I didn't mean to imply any kind of "my way or the highway" garbage.

Good night everybody!

 

[tjmw2727]

Do not disregard my opinons just because they are not yours. There is much more to me than just "what I want."

Very well said and I hope you don't mind that I snipped this part of your post. You put things into a great perspective, thank you.

I am 8 years older than my sister and many years older than you are, but you remind me of my younger sister. She learned so much more and was so much more mauture and responsible than I was at her age. "We" worry about the younger generation but we still need to trust and let you grow up in your own terms. I do worry that some of the dangers now have far more dangerous consequences than when we were young, but still I feel we have to teach, teach and then trust. Hopefully I can remember this in a few years when my dd's venture out on their own.

TJ

 

[Bob NC]

.........but as a parent I will always hope our young people would make less dangerous and more responsible choices.

I think hundreds of generations of parents have shared this view.

I, however, refuse to condemn the hundreds of generations of kids that didn't make, "less dangerous and responsible choices". I think we are all part of both groups during our lives.

 

[ksjayhawkfan]

As long as they aren't showing up to work drunk, high or naked, what business is it of yours?

You took the words out of my mouth with this one. If they want to go out and do those things in their spare time, so be it. I was young once too I may not agree with it, but I would never judge a person for it.

If they are working while drunk, high or nekkid then I might have some issues.

 

[WDSearcher]

It's true, everyone who has a beer isn't going to become an alcholic and everyone who drives or is driven in a car by someone inder the influence, won't become a statistic. But some of them will. I'm concerned about the ones who don't make it. Speaking as a parent, as I said. If you'd like your children to take these risks ( getting into a car with a driver who's been "experimenting", etc...), that's up to you. I sincerely hope you never have to regret your decision.

Where do you get that people like their children to take these risks??

I think the point being made here is that, while drinking and drugs and other activities do go on at Disney housing -- as they would anywhere there are large numbers of young people -- it can't possibly be as rampant and wild as some people seem to believe or it surely would have made huge headlines before now. The "expose" that is written in RADAR magazine quotes a mere handful of people, and they are pretty much the same handful of people that Tyler Grey quoted in his last article about the characters about a year ago in the Orlando Weekly. Yet there are literally thousands of college-age kids working, living, playing and partying at Disney and having a swell (and legal) time. And tens of thousands more who have survived the experience with no harmful side effects.

No one here is saying that they would prefer to have their kids take risks and drive drunk or become statistics. What they're saying is -- and I say this as a parent as well -- that my kids have been taught right and wrong. They have been taught how to behave, how to respect themselves, and how to get along in the world. But once they grow up and go out into the world, I can't be with them every single minute of every single day. And I don't expect Disney to be keeping constant watch on them either. If one of my kids gets in a car drunk, it's not because Disney "let" them. It's not because I'm okay with it. It's because they chose to, despite all of the teaching, warnings, and information they've seen that tells them not to. It's my job as a parent, at that point, to reinforce why that behavior was wrong and do what I can to ensure that it won't happen again. It's not Disney's job as an employer.

 

[GoN2WDW]

Am I the only one who thinks that this thread should go? It is doing nothing more than encouraging ill-will and DISharmony between DIScommunity members. This is a topic that everyone will have strong opinions on and no one will agree 100% with one another. Let go and get back to the happiest place on earth....

 

[GoN2WDW]

Am I the only one who thinks that this thread should go? It is doing nothing more than encouraging ill-will and DISharmony between DIScommunity members. This is a topic that everyone will have strong opinions on and no one will agree 100% with one another. Let go and get back to the happiest place on earth....

 

[Disney Doll]

It's true, everyone who has a beer isn't going to become an alcholic and everyone who drives or is driven in a car by someone inder the influence, won't become a statistic. But some of them will. I'm concerned about the ones who don't make it. Speaking as a parent, as I said. If you'd like your children to take these risks ( getting into a car with a driver who's been "experimenting", etc...), that's up to you. I sincerely hope you never have to regret your decision.

If your kid is going to take these risks, they don't have to be in the Disney CP to do so. They can drink, drive, take drugs...or do all 3 ...right in your own hometown.

Reality check, people...college age kids are going to experiment, do stupid things, and yes...some of them may be injured or killed. It could happen in the Disney CP, it could happen at a college, it could happen in the park that you live across the street from. Statistically, we lose X number of people, both young and old, to stupidity and bad decisions every year.

 

[CAJUNWDWFAN]

This is a link to the article I mentioned earlier.

http://www.radaronline.com/magazine/features/2005/05/mouse-party.php

There is a video link on it. Probably NOT a good idea for a kid to watch.

 

[frndshpcptn]

I did the CP - twice - and wasn't morally corrupted from my experience. I made my best friends on the program - we all still talk everyday and it's been 6 years now since my last summer there.

It was fun. Yes there was drinking, I'm sure there was drug use, no - you didn't really want to spend time in the hot tubs--but it was by far the best time in my 27+ years to date.

We were hard-working, fun-loving kids. We made magic for the guests during the day and partied at night (althought not every night - we had to get some sleep). Park guests for the most part don't know where Vista Way is and what happens there and that's ok. It's not meant as part of the "Disney vacation experience." It's an apartment complex for cast members - regular people who want to share in the magic that makes Disney such a great vacation destination.

 

[HTH]

As long as it doesn't go on INSIDE a Disney park, more power to them.

 

[frndshpcptn]

If cast members were drinking on the job or were caught cavorting in the pools at the hotels, they would be terminated. Disney has a very strict policy for on-stage behavior and that kind of nonsense is not tolerated - nor should it be. I had a friend terminated for eating her breakfast in her coffee kiosk in one of the parks. At least when I was there - work behavior was different than after-work behavior. As I'm sure it is for most people is any circumstance.

 

[HTH]

If cast members were drinking on the job or were caught cavorting in the pools at the hotels, they would be terminated. Disney has a very strict policy for on-stage behavior and that kind of nonsense is not tolerated - nor should it be. I had a friend terminated for eating her breakfast in her coffee kiosk in one of the parks. At least when I was there - work behavior was different than after-work behavior. As I'm sure it is for most people is any circumstance.

I can understand that. I'm glad it is like that too, because then the Disney parks just wouldn't seem magical-at all.

 

[chadfromdallas]

This is a link to the article I mentioned earlier.

http://www.radaronline.com/magazine/features/2005/05/mouse-party.php

There is a video link on it. Probably NOT a good idea for a kid to watch.

Whew, Belle es caliente!