Expiring points extended

[Sandisw]

However, Aug UY will have at most 2 months to use their 2018 banked points.

As I mentioned on another thread, it does not seem right that for expiration dates on 2018 banked points, April and June UYs "leapfrogged" the expiration dates for that same category of points for Aug. Sept, and Oct UYs.

I know, Nothing done would be perfect. I will say that if they don’t open before Aug, I bet we will see an update to have that policy apply to those.

 

[dismedvc]

I know, Nothing done would be perfect. I will say that if they don’t open before Aug, I bet we will see an update to have that policy apply to those.

Even if they open June 1st. it still is not right.
Based on what they did for April and June UY banked points, they need to extend the expiration date for Aug, Sept, and Oct UY banked points.
In normal times, June UY banked points expire 2 months earlier than Aug UY banked points.
While I realize these are not normal times, it is not right to have June UY points now expire 4 months after Aug UY banked points.

 

[Sandisw]

Even if they open June 1st. it still is not right.
Based on what they did for April and June UY banked points, they need to extend the expiration date for Aug, Sept, and Oct UY banked points.
In normal times, June UY banked points expire 2 months earlier than Aug UY banked points.
While I realize these are not normal times, it is not right to have June UY points now expire 4 months after Aug UY banked points.

Like I said, it’s not going to be perfect, but maybe the thought process is that those with Aug UY and beyond banked points from canceled March and April trips would have already booked them in the summer/fall since they could.

So, really, unless they are closed, owners have been given a chance at cancellation to put them in reservations.

Also, the extension is only good if owners can travel during it. I have read that not all owners are even happy with this because they can’t find rooms they need,

The goal seems to be to at least try to give them some window to book . Aug UY and beyond have been able to book back up reservations from that start of this.

 

[dismedvc]

Like I said, it’s not going to be perfect, but maybe the thought process is that those with Aug UY and beyond banked points from canceled March and April trips would have already booked them in the summer/fall since they could.

It would be perfectly acceptable to me if I was not allowed to book using my 2018 Aug UY banked points until after June UYs have an opportunity to book with their 2018 June UY banked points, IF my 2018 Aug UY banked points were also extended for 6 months.

ETA: Before July 31st is not fall.

 

[Sandisw]

It would be perfectly acceptable to me if I was not allowed to book using my 2018 Aug UY banked points until after June UYs have an opportunity to book with their 2018 June UY banked points, IF my 2018 Aug UY banked points were also extended for 6 months.

ETA: Before July 31st is not fall.

The fall comment was meant for the other UYs that you mentioned, not for Aug.

 

[dismedvc]

The fall comment was meant for the other UYs that you mentioned, not for Aug.

Sorry, I misread your original post. You are correct, Dec, Feb, and March UYs can book into fall.
I wish I had not put in the ETA, since that took away from my main point in the rest of my post.

 

[Sandisw]

Sorry, I misread your original post. You are correct, Dec, Feb, and March UYs can book into fall.
I wish I had not put in the ETA, since that took away from my main point in the rest of my post.

All we can do at this point is see if they decide to make changes once they officially release the opening of resorts,

I did read something online today that seems to indicate hotels and stuff would be easier to open in central FL then theme parks so we could see the DVC resorts open before the rest. Thst is what I am hoping for

 

[gharter]

Lower wait time this morning. Spent under 3o minutes on hold. Easily moved my points back from RCi to banked for 2021. Need to use those points next year. As easy as it was to move points to RCI, it was just as easy to move back. The points are to be in my account on June 1.

 

[Sandisw]

Lower wait time this morning. Spent under 3o minutes on hold. Easily moved my points back from RCi to banked for 2021. Need to use those points next year. As easy as it was to move points to RCI, it was just as easy to move back. The points are to be in my account on June 1.

To clarify, that means you won’t be able to book any trips with them until your new UY starts? These were 2019 correct?

 

[gharter]

I can use my current points, or borrow from next year. If I want to use the points I just moved, I need to wait till they show up in June. Correct, they were 2019 UY of June.

 

[Sandisw]

I can use my current points, or borrow from next year. If I want to use the points I just moved, I need to wait till they show up in June. Correct, they were 2019 UY of June.

Great...I’m just trying to get a feel of how it is actually being done.

 

[mgarbowski]

As I mentioned on another thread, it does not seem right that for expiration dates on 2018 banked points, April and June UYs "leapfrogged" the expiration dates for that same category of points for Aug. Sept, and Oct UYs.

It does make some sense though. The April and June UYs had no chance to bank when the shut down hit. August and later UYs did. Admittedly, August people had to act quickly, under extreme uncertainty, and they are getting squeezed the most under the current modified rules. I have a September UY, and had an extra month to decide, with the benefit of further guidance that came in on Friday. I don't feel even slightly put out that the March and June people got an extension beyond my use calendar. I would certainly understand if August UY owners thought differently.

 

[jarestel]

DVC is using our money to pay for this so people shouldn't be applauding DVC. I also personally don't view changing the rules around expiration, banking, and restricting future borrowing as "the right thing".

The current unprecedented situation calls for a little more than "just follow the rules" and I'm glad that DVC didn't take the narrowest possible view in responding. I never thought the solution would be perfect, nor did I think it had to be. Making every single member happy was not ever going to happen no matter what DVC did but this was more about mitigation than any individual member's personal feelings. I'm glad they did something, obviously your feelings are different.

 

[CarolMN]

It does make some sense though. The April and June UYs had no chance to bank when the shut down hit. August and later UYs did. Admittedly, August people had to act quickly, under extreme uncertainty, and they are getting squeezed the most under the current modified rules. I have a September UY, and had an extra month to decide, with the benefit of further guidance that came in on Friday. I don't feel even slightly put out that the March and June people got an extension beyond my use calendar. I would certainly understand if August UY owners thought differently.

I believe dismedvc was talking about Aug 2018 use year points that were banked to 2019. Those points were not extended 6 months like the Apr & Jun 2018 points that were banked to 2019.

None of the 2018 points banked to 2019 could be banked to 2020. Only Apr & Jun points banked from 2018 were extended for 6 months.

 

[sethschroeder]

Doing nothing would have overloaded the system for at least 6 to 8 months, and DVCM couldn’t let that happen. They have to make sure everything balances, as best they can, even if it was for short term.

I am not sure how it would have overloaded the system anymore than it will now? Maybe I am missing something. All we have right now is Disney extending points that would have expired. Thus having more points in the system. All points that would have not expired from the April/June are still under normal policies.

I'm glad that DVC didn't take the narrowest possible view in responding.

Well its not the narrowest its actually the widest net still at the current time to keep the rules in place. As the year goes by and if DVC is still closed then those impacted would start to flip in to the majority. There is very low impact though to those booking out at the 11 month mark which is a good thing (at least so far).

I have said since the start they will do what they do. I have my thought that they should keep rules in place but if they don't I am not outraged or anything. I will just be more proactive, walk my reservation, and other actions to avoid impact to my trips.

I also don't think people really have an argument against point balancing moving forward either. I am good with point balancing and this will all pass at some point.

 

[Sandisw]

I am not sure how it would have overloaded the system anymore than it will now? Maybe I am missing something. All we have right now is Disney extending points that would have expired. Thus having more points in the system. All points that would have not expired from the April/June are still under normal policies.




Well its not the narrowest its actually the widest net still at the current time to keep the rules in place. As the year goes by and if DVC is still closed then those impacted would start to flip in to the majority. There is very low impact though to those booking out at the 11 month mark which is a good thing (at least so far).

I have said since the start they will do what they do. I have my thought that they should keep rules in place but if they don't I am not outraged or anything. I will just be more proactive, walk my reservation, and other actions to avoid impact to my trips.

I also don't think people really have an argument against point balancing moving forward either. I am good with point balancing and this will all pass at some point.

It appears to me that the points that were extended...may be developer points...points DVD would have used to pull cash inventory Because they aren’t showing online.

In terms of the others, they spread out the borrowed by putting them back. Had they not all those points not been, you would have banked points from 2018 Aug UY and beyond, 2019 current UY not beyond banking, and all those borrowed points competing for the rest of 2020.

At least what they did spread them out. The move to limit borrowing helps to absorb what was put back,

I am sure it was a delicate balance, and I still believe because they extended, the April and June UY points given those extensions didn’t amount to a high percentage of what involved,

Again, they could have done nothing, but one would have to question if that was meeting their fiduciary responsibility since they would be keeping the system overloaded for the rest of 2020 on purpose.

 

[sethschroeder]

It appears to me that the points that were extended...may be developer points...points DVD would have used to pull cash inventory Because they aren’t showing online.

In terms of the others, they spread out the borrowed by putting them back. Had they not all those points not been, you would have banked points from 2018 Aug UY and beyond, 2019 current UY not beyond banking, and all those borrowed points competing for the rest of 2020.

At least what they did spread them out. The move to limit borrowing helps to absorb what was put back,

I am sure it was a delicate balance, and I still believe because they extended, the April and June UY points given those extensions didn’t amount to a high percentage of what involved,

Would be interesting to hear more on the developer point side. I got you on the borrowed points being put back and then "partially" locked away with the 50% limit.

 

[Sandisw]

Would be interesting to hear more on the developer point side. I got you on the borrowed points being put back and then "partially" locked away with the 50% limit.

The expired banked points are not showing up online, Owners have to call to use them,,,they are being transferred into the account. If they are truly the owners actual expired points, why wouldn’t they simply been put back?

So, I wonder if they got around the rule of double banking, by simply taking their own points and using those..ie: what is used for OTU points

Obviously, it’s speculation on my part, but the way owners are being able to use them could support that, 6 months means no home resort priority. June UY wont even have access to them until after June,

 

[jarestel]

Well its not the narrowest its actually the widest net still at the current time to keep the rules in place.

I get how upending some of the rules could be upsetting to some, but when nothing else in the country is doing business as usual, it's an unreasonable expectation that DVC would choose to ignore current realities.

 

[dismedvc]

The April and June UYs had no chance to bank when the shut down hit. August and later UYs did

as @CarolMN said, I was only talking about previously banked points from the 2018 UYs. That category of points will now expire for June UYs on 11/30/20 due to the extension, while points in that category for later UYs will expire earlier than 11/30/20. That category of points will expire on 7/31/20 for Aug UYs and 8/30/20 for Sept UYs, which is why I used the term leapfrogging.

With regard to all the other points you made in your post, I totally agree with you. Since April and June UYs had no chance to bank when the shutdown hit, I think allowing those UYs to late bank was appropriate, and I also do not feel even slightly put out by that decision.

However, I think it is important to note: the decision to allow late banking did not cause any leapfrogging. 2019 June UY points that were allowed to be late banked now expire 5/31/21 and 2019 Aug UY points that were banked under the previously existing rules expire 2 months later on 7/31/21.