Experience with MS Phone or Chat for Reservations

[DoubleBaconBLT]

I wonder what the response would be if someone answered, "No, this is a rental and I don't personally know the renters."

Mickey himself shows up at your house. "Hiya pal! It's time for your bibbidi bobbidi beatdown! Today's Mystery Mouseketool is a baseball bat!"

 

[DoubleBaconBLT]

When we bought into DVC we gave our voting rights to DVC - thats part of the contract.

Thats also why we dont get to vote during the annual meeting - DVC vote for us.

If you have to sign your rights away in order to buy in, then you never had the rights anyway. There is no way to have the right to vote during the annual meeting, short of buying enough DIS stock to appoint yourself head of DVD.

 

[Cyberc1978]

If you have to sign your rights away in order to buy in, then you never had the rights anyway.

I guess that’s true.

There is no way to have the right to vote during the annual meeting, short of buying enough DIS stock to appoint yourself head of DVD.

In a normal condo association you had the right to vote but since this is a ts you agreed to give those rights to DVC. DVC will then vote on your behalf and how they believe will benefit the members the most.

 

[zavandor]

If you have to sign your rights away in order to buy in, then you never had the rights anyway. There is no way to have the right to vote during the annual meeting, short of buying enough DIS stock to appoint yourself head of DVD.

I think there is the very theoretical option of tracking down a majority of owners of one unit and convince them to delegate the vote for that unit to you. Repeat for a majority of Units and you might get control of the association for a certain resort.
But it's practically impossible to do (and either useless or counterproductive).

 

[Cyberc1978]

I think there is the very theoretical option of tracking down a majority of owners of one unit and convince them to delegate the vote for that unit to you. Repeat for a majority of Units and you might get control of the association for a certain resort.
But it's practically impossible to do (and either useless or counterproductive).

I guess that would require an enormous amount of work. I assume would you need to track the ownerships of each unit to ensure you have the most current ones.

 

[Sandisw]

I guess that would require an enormous amount of work. I assume would you need to track the ownerships of each unit to ensure you have the most current ones.

It is spelled out in detail in the contracts on how voting works for day to day things like budget, etc.

Each unit gets one vote, and you have to get at least 60% of the owners in that one unit to all agree on what the vote will be.

Bur, we don’t have the right to vote on every decision.

For example, we hired DVcMC to manage the product for us and the only things we could do is vote them out as property manager.

But, we don’t get a vote on how they operate, set booking, rules, etc.

Now, there are certain things by law, like material changes to the contract that would require a vote by all owners.

Again, the details are spelled out in the declaration part of the POS.

As mentioned, trying to find all the owners in a unit, and then getting at least 60% to all agree on how to vote? Pretty difficult.

The BPK, a unit consists of 101 rooms, which is a lot of points, abd owners.

 

[Brian Noble]

In a normal condo association you had the right to vote but since this is a ts you agreed to give those rights to DVC

It is worth pointing out that not all timeshares work this way. For example, my long-suffering drama-filled Hawaii resort recently had an election to dissolve the resort. I happily voted Yes. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed my (relatively short) ownership there, and it was a great place to stay, but the time had come.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Now, there are certain things by law, like material changes to the contract that would require a vote by all owners.

Is there are place or maybe its common knowledge, where you can read what is considered a "material change" ?

I've only been able to find text about if the COA wish to change the color of the building etc nothing about rules or policies should would be considered material changes/alterations.

 

[Sandisw]

Is there are place or maybe its common knowledge, where you can read what is considered a "material change" ?

I've only been able to find text about if the COA wish to change the color of the building etc nothing about rules or policies should would be considered material changes/alterations.

Material change refers to a major change to the POS and the product.

So, from my understanding it would apply to the declarations and other aspects of it.

One example might be that owners get at least a one month home resort.

Eliminating that would be something seen as a material change to the contract

Another example might be banking and borrowing. We see guaranteed that right but DVC can adjust the specifics to meet supply and demand of owners.

What they can’t do is just stop it because it’s part of the POS.

IIRC, the change to the ground lease at OKW was a material change and why some owners took action so they couldn’t be charged for capital reserves, etc for time after 2042 if they decided not to accept it.

You can look up though any definition for a material change to a contract to get a more specific definition.

In the context of home resort rules and regulations, our contract gives DVC the right to set them as long as they include key things that the POS states they must include.

Things like the 11/7 month window, modifications, etc can all be changed or amended by DVC as long as they believe it’s the best for the membership.

It’s why the change from booking 11 months from check out to what we have now, 11 months from check in plus 7 isn’t a material change to the contract.

 

[Brian Noble]

The short version: Individual DVC "owners" have no real say in anything that happens. This should have been clear when one was buying, based on how the governing documents are constructed.